A better term for PSA—the Simple Atonement.

[praise_yeshua]

Our Lord Jesus Christ suffered death to ransom-purchase us for God. Death is our Father's judgment for sin, and our Father out of loving grace sent His own Son to die for our sins. In doing so, God shows that He is righteous for justifying everyone who believes in Jesus Christ, and only by believing in the death of Jesus Christ for our sins can one's consciousness of sin be cleansed so that he can approach God without guilt.

God loved us and sent His Son to save us from His wrath for sin. He did not show any retribution to His own Son. He showed loving grace towards us that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. By God's grace, our sins were applied to His death, as our Lord said upon giving up His spirit, "It is finished".

What punishment does one deserve for sin? According to our God, it is death. What did the OT sacrifices do? Died for the sins of the people. What did our Lord do? Die for the sins of all everyone.

Did God kill His Son? No, according to our Lord, "Therefore the Father loves me, because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down by myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. I received this commandment from my Father.”

And according to Peter in Acts 2, he preached to the Jews, "Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death"...“Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

Did God condemn His Son or just our sins in His sacrificial death? According to the Apostle Paul, "God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh".

God did not expend any wrath or retribution at His Son. This line of thinking is nowhere to be found in the bible.

God Bless

Ransom Theory. Many years ago when I first started reconsidering my theology based upon where I had been guided by peers and family, I dug into the various "Atonement Theories" that were recognized at the time. Since then, much of this has been "revisited" in certain circles.

In the context of the "Ransom Theory", I couldn't reconcile the context of payment associated with the teaching. We must first, I believe, start with the idea of a "cost".

Removing the context of "money" (which I believe is very meaningful in how mankind/Satan judges value) what establishes the context of "cost"

This isn't intend to be a post relative to criticizing anyone. Just looking to really "unwrap" this for others.

The context of "sin" having "value" that would "cost" Christ... His bodily life, is foreign to my way of constructing my theology. At least that is where I'm at in all of this relative to the "ransom" theory.

Thanks

 

[Joe]

Ransom Theory. Many years ago when I first started reconsidering my theology based upon where I had been guided by peers and family, I dug into the various "Atonement Theories" that were recognized at the time. Since then, much of this has been "revisited" in certain circles.

In the context of the "Ransom Theory", I couldn't reconcile the context of payment associated with the teaching. We must first, I believe, start with the idea of a "cost".

Removing the context of "money" (which I believe is very meaningful in how mankind/Satan judges value) what establishes the context of "cost"

This isn't intend to be a post relative to criticizing anyone. Just looking to really "unwrap" this for others.

The context of "sin" having "value" that would "cost" Christ... His bodily life, is foreign to my way of constructing my theology. At least that is where I'm at in all of this relative to the "ransom" theory.

Thanks

Hi Brother,

I agree sin has no value that would cost the life of our Lord, but it is us who were enslaved to sin and under the judgment of God for sinning that God valued. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish but have everlasting life.

Our Holy Father ransomed us-paid the expense necessary by giving His Son to free us from the tyranny of sin, and from death and the grave that came as a result of our sinning. And by the blood-death of our Lord, He has freed us from being held to a performance based righteousness that fueled sin, and now we are under grace to a faith based righteousness where sin has no dominion over us only God's Spirit. He has freed us from death and the grave when Jesus our Lord offered His life up to die for our sins that we committed, and resurrected from the grave to newness of life that He shares with us eternally. The record of sin has been pardoned and no longer remembered, and we are united-one with God now and forever! Praise the Lord!

The expense necessary to ransom-redeem us was the sinless blood of our Lord.

God Bless

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hi Brother,

I agree sin has no value that would cost the life of our Lord, but it is us who were enslaved to sin and under the judgment of God for sinning that God valued. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son that whosoever would believe in Him would not perish but have everlasting life.

Our Holy Father ransomed us-paid the expense necessary by giving His Son to free us from the tyranny of sin, and from death and the grave that came as a result of our sinning. And by the blood-death of our Lord, He has freed us from being held to a performance based righteousness that fueled sin, and now we are under grace to a faith based righteousness where sin has no dominion over us only God's Spirit. He has freed us from death and the grave when Jesus our Lord offered His life up to die for our sins that we committed, and resurrected from the grave to newness of life that He shares with us eternally. The record of sin has been pardoned and no longer remembered, and we are united-one with God now and forever! Praise the Lord!

The expense necessary to ransom-redeem us was the sinless blood of our Lord.

God Bless

I praise Christ Jesus for His loving work for humanity. His work for all the children of Adam and Eve..

To whom was this cost owed? Some believe Satan was owed this ransom. I disagree. I don't see any context of ownership of humanity with Satan.

Again. Just an open question to understand the context more completely. I believe PSA would claim/require the cost due to God's Justice that forms a legal framework of payment.

I do believe that indebtedness is part of the context of salvation but I would argue that it is the value of Eternal Life and the preciousness of the human soul that forms that dependency or relationship relative to cost and payment.

Either way, all praise is due our Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing to us. He alone has Immortality. Life Innately in Himself. A precious gift beyond quantifiable value. That life is wonderfully enjoyable in the quality of character of our Lord. He is worth following. He is our endless responsibility to know and our pleasure to treasure.

 

[Joe]

To whom was this cost owed? Some believe Satan was owed this ransom. I disagree. I don't see any context of ownership of humanity with Satan.

Again. Just an open question to understand the context more completely. I believe PSA would claim/require the cost due to God's Justice that forms a legal framework of payment.

I do believe that indebtedness is part of the context of salvation but I would argue that it is the value of Eternal Life and the preciousness of the human soul that forms that dependency or relationship relative to cost and payment.

To my understanding it isn't necessarily to whom was the expense owed but to what was owed; that being the law of sin and death that was issued by our Holy Father with Him presiding as the Judge.

In order to free us from the condemnation that we were all under from the law of sin and death that began in the garden, our Holy Father demonstrated His righteousness-virtue of being morally perfect when He presented Jesus our Lord as a sacrifice for our sins; of which His sinless life-blood given unto death as a ransom fully compensated for our sins under the justice-fair and just application of the judgment of God. The Apostle Paul relates to this in Romans 3 and 5, and of course we see this shown to us under the Old Covenant.

God promised to ransom us from death and the grave in Hosea 13:14, and the Apostle Paul uses the same promise in his first letter to the Corinthians.

"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction!..." (Hos 13:14)

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY." "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?" The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1Co 15:50-57)

God Bless

 

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To my understanding it isn't necessarily to whom was the expense owed but to what was owed; that being the law of sin and death that was issued by our Holy Father with Him presiding as the Judge.

In order to free us from the condemnation that we were all under from the law of sin and death that began in the garden, our Holy Father demonstrated His righteousness-virtue of being morally perfect when He presented Jesus our Lord as a sacrifice for our sins; of which His sinless life-blood given unto death as a ransom fully compensated for our sins under the justice-fair and just application of the judgment of God. The Apostle Paul relates to this in Romans 3 and 5, and of course we see this shown to us under the Old Covenant.

God promised to ransom us from death and the grave in Hosea 13:14, and the Apostle Paul uses the same promise in his first letter to the Corinthians.

"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction!..." (Hos 13:14)

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY." "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING? O HADES, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY?" The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1Co 15:50-57)

God Bless

Thank you for the very thoughtful and reasoned response. I think we can have a meaningful conversation about this. I want to get into this because I believe it can be beneficial to others.

Thank you for the reference to Hosea 13:14. In Greek edition of Hosea we find the word λυτρόω.

λυτρόω is found over 90 times in both the Greek OT and the Greek NT. One of those places isn't from Paul's first letter to those at Corinth. I maybe missing something or misunderstanding you. Please elaborate.

There is some "Semantic Overlap" in the context of the English words "ransom" found in the various manuscripts of the bible.

λυτρόω carries primarily the context of "untying" or "loosening" our bondage. We certainly are bound by the context of death. Death is inevitable absent the kindness of God toward humanity.

I don't believe Adam was originally created/crafted to be innately Eternal. The "new birth" is a "spring" brother. A "spring bubbling up into Everlasting life. A "spring within us". It is life itself. The gift of God toward humanity. A gift that not even Satan ever experienced.

What God does, He does it forever. No man can add to it. No man can take from it.

So when we discuss the choice of God in our very existence. We must remember this. What God does and even what God doesn't do is for a purpose. US.

He doesn't need anything Himself.