sorry that the real baptism en the holy Ghost
The one that Christ does
Matthew 3:11 (ESV) — 11 “I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
And what did Jesus say in Matt 28:19? Is the baptism in that verse something that the Holy Spirit does? Or is it something that man must do? Obviously it is something that man must do. And in the parallel passage of Mark 16:16, that same baptism, the one that man does, is the one by which we are saved. And this is reiterated in 1 Pete 3:21; the baptism that saves is the one man does in water.
A greater baptizer with a greater baptism
water baptism is just a symbol
And faith not an application of water saves
John 5:24 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
What does the text say is necessary for eternal life?
when does one pass from death to life?
We pass from death to life, eternal life, when we exhibit faith in the Word that we have heard (the Gospel). And what is the faith that we must exhibit? Repentance from sin (Acts 3:19), confession of Jesus as Lord (Rom 10:9-10), and baptism into Jesus (Matt 28:19, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21).
Why does John write
John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Again, because belief is faith exhibited through obedience to the one you would call Lord (if you don't obey Him, He ain't your Lord).
sorry you denied the baptism en the spirit
and water will not make you alive
It does because Scripture says it does (1 Pet 3:21).
Sure you are
You attribute it to water baptism
It is however a function of the spirit - the living water to make alive
John 7:38–39 (ESV) — 38 Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 Now this he said about the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were to receive, for as yet the Spirit had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Jews experienced water baptism from John and from Jesus disciples, but it lacked the power to give the spirit
You have not read what I have said. You read what you think I am saying (or want me to be saying) based on your preconceived ideas. I attribute salvation to the Holy Spirit taking action to remove our sins. Scripture says that occurs DURING water baptism, and ONLY DURING water baptism. And not because of any special property of the water, but because that is when God said He will cut our sins from us.
Not necessarily during the transitional era.
The jews were told to be baptized first
The samaritans received water baptism but not the spirit
The Gentiles however received the Spirit, life, remission of sin and salvation before water baptism
That is the pattern for New Testament believers
You are basing the pattern on your preconception of what you want to see from a single event. You must look at ALL of the Scriptures that deal with salvation at and beyond this point in history. When does Scripture say our sins are cut from us? DURING baptism (Col 2:11-14). When do we die to sin? DURING baptism (Rom 6:1-7). What baptism is it that saves? WATER baptism (1 Pet 3:21).
Sorry that is not found in the text
They received the person of the spirit that is indwelling
That is exactly what the Scripture says.
"While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message."
On (epi), not in (en).
ἐπὶ (epi)
Preposition
Strong's 1909: On, to, against, on the basis of, at.
The Spirit fell ON them, not into them.
john stated
John 7:38 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
And this is true once the Holy Spirit is in residence in the heart, but it does not tell us when or how He comes into residence in our heart.
Luke recorded
Acts 11:13–14 (KJV 1900) — 13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter; 14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
And the Spirit did come into residence in his heart and save him, when he was baptized into Christ and received forgiveness of his sins.
The gentiles believed, thus had living water in their belly which speaks of indwelling springing up to everlasting life
The Gentiles exhibited their faith in obedience to Peter's command to be baptized. That is when the Holy Spirit cut their sins from them, and they were resurrected with Christ; not when the Holy Spirit fell ON them in power.
