dwight92070
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Turn away from Calvinism.
Jeremiah does not call the Law God was going to put in the inward parts of covenant Israel and Judah "Messianic" Law. The only Law that was in existence was the Law of God (or Moses.) In other words, the Holy Spirit is THAT LAW which God was going to put in the inward parts of covenant Israel and Judah - both kingdoms being identified as those with whom God makes New Covenant with. There are no Gentiles mentioned or named in the New Covenant Jeremiah prophesied. So, clearly you are adding to the prophecy of Jeremiah when you claim Gentiles are mentioned as being included in the New Covenant Jeremiah prophesied.The law is done. Jesus ended it. There is a new law, and that is the Messianic Law. There is no more Mosaic Law. And yes, the Gentiles are a part of it as well, despite your attempts to make God a liar.
That's very convenient. If it's not chapter and verse, then it is chatter and worse. Believers follow the Word of God and God is consistent in His Word. There is nothing in the Old Testament that supports Gentiles being heirs of the Abrahamic Covenant Promises nor were Gentiles ever under the Law God gave Moses for the children of Israel (Abraham's seed.) This is why Saul says:Paul also said that the fact that the Gentiles would be a part of it was not revealed in the Old Testament, but was revealed to the apostles.
Saul's good news (gospel) to Israel is stated in several forms. One is found here:You have changed Paul's gospel. You are anathem, you know.
False "churches" like Mormonism and JW's use that tactic and gain many false worshipers to their ranks.Paul also said that the fact that the Gentiles would be a part of it was not revealed in the Old Testament, but was revealed to the apostles.
OK.I'm not sure where you got that from, but do you have scripture to back that up? It is all assupmtion, considering there is no record of the Ark in the Babylonian records. It is quite possible that God took the Ark.
There is a new covenant, however, the old covenant was in action until the institution of the new. The Jews, in their legends, have this pretty much spelled out. The scapegoat of the atonement sacrifice would wear a red cord, which, according to rabbinic legend, would turn white after release, symbolizing the atonement of the people. However, in 30 AD, the cord stopped turning white. It is a legend, so grain of salt, however, they aren't believers, so such a legend seems to carry some meaning. They also talk about the light in the tabernacle no longer remaining lit, which some have said shows that the glory of God had departed the temple. The light was related to the glory of God.
Jesus is the mediator/intercessor of the new covenant. It was by His blood that the covenant was ratified.
The covenants between God and Israel stand... except for the Mosaic covenant. That was temporary. The Law of the Mosaic Covenant has been replaced by the Messianic Law of the new covenant.
Christ spoke to the "7 synagogues" in Revelation just as Christ spoke to those alive during Noah's building of the Ark.The bible refers to them as Israel in Revelation=spiritual Israel. These serve the true living God=YHVH(Jehovah) and know 100% Jesus is the one sent forth by him= the Messiah. Jesus didn't speak to 7 synagogues in Revelation.
You want to ask another for Scripture to back their words up and yet you say that Gentiles being saved was what God told the apostles but have no Scripture to back that up.I'm not sure where you got that from, but do you have scripture to back that up?
Paul says that the law is death. Jesus completed/fulfilled the Law Himself. What else is there that you believe you must fulfill where Jesus fell short? And no, you don't get to say there is a spiritual interpretation to any of the Law, because that is you telling God how it is.Jeremiah does not call the Law God was going to put in the inward parts of covenant Israel and Judah "Messianic" Law. The only Law that was in existence was the Law of God (or Moses.) In other words, the Holy Spirit is THAT LAW which God was going to put in the inward parts of covenant Israel and Judah - both kingdoms being identified as those with whom God makes New Covenant with. There are no Gentiles mentioned or named in the New Covenant Jeremiah prophesied. So, clearly you are adding to the prophecy of Jeremiah when you claim Gentiles are mentioned as being included in the New Covenant Jeremiah prophesied.
The Law God said to Israel and Judah He was going to put in the inward parts of His covenant people is His Law, or the Law He gave to Moses to give to the children of Israel at Mount Sinai. The Moral Law still exists. The Social Law still exists. The Ceremonial Law also exists but with a spiritual interpretation. The command to "not have other gods before thee (Israel)" still exists and we must obey it. But at the same time our justification (being declared "Not Guilty!") by God fulfills Jeremiah's prophecy where God says:
And then to the non-Jewish Gentiles (ethnos, which refers to race, and mixed race is not considered a race)For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:34.
...refers to Israel and Judah's justification. Through Jesus' fulfilling the Ceremonial Law is the basis of Israel's forgiveness and God remembering their sin no more. This was done on the cross of Christ. Now the Holy Spirit is sanctifying Israel and Judah every day while alive as was begun on the Jewish Feast of Harvest, also known as Pentecost, in which three thousand Jews were born-again of the Spirit. Thousand more every day were being born-again by God's Spirit who was Promised to Israel and Judah as Peter brings to their memory through this passage:
Peter is speaking to the twelve tribes of Israel present in his audience.
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. Acts 2:38–39.
Yes, because Gentiles don't want to go to hell. So no, they aren'tPeter is not addressing Gentiles for Gentiles have no part in the Mosaic Covenant and the feasts that was being observed and celebrated that day when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (by Joel) descended from heaven as a mighty rushing wind. The three thousand people who were born-again were of the twelve tribes that were in Jerusalem for the Passover and for the Feast of Harvest. Mixed-race Jews were also in attendance.
I forgot. You decided to tell God that you hold the only meaning of this verse. The world speaks of the Satanic and demonic system of the world. (And yes, apparently, from a Jewish writer, demons are mentioned in the Old Testament under various Hebrew words.So, in reality, it is YOU who is adding to the Bible. Gentiles have no covenant with God and are in reality God's enemy. They are called "the world" by Jesus' apostles and messengers. John says:
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1 John 2:15–16.
I didn't say that about you, but if that's where you want to go, then...That's very convenient. If it's not chapter and verse, then it is chatter and worse.
How many times do I have to remind you that the promise to Abraham, for all the families of the Earth (in which Earth is universal, the whole planet) will be blessed is for the Jews and Gentiles.Believers follow the Word of God and God is consistent in His Word. There is nothing in the Old Testament that supports Gentiles being heirs of the Abrahamic Covenant Promises nor were Gentiles ever under the Law God gave Moses for the children of Israel (Abraham's seed.) This is why Saul says:
And of course, you leave out everything else, such as the book of Galatians was written to the Gentiles (ethnos, which again, is not mixed race races, but race. So, non-Hebrew Gentiles.)4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.
"Again, you are adding to the Bible.
Saul's good news (gospel) to Israel is stated in several forms. One is found here:
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Corinthians 15:3–4.
Take note Saul backing up his teaching with Scripture. And yet you want to say that Gentiles are included in the Lord's salvation but without Scripture to back you up as you said below:
False "churches" like Mormonism and JW's use that tactic and gain many false worshipers to their ranks.
Thats your opinion and you are welcome to itIt has nothing to do with rightly cutting out.
I don't have to fulfill anything. Jesus did it for me and for every elect person whose name is in the book of life of the lamb slain. And because He is in me through His Holy Spirit God sees me through imputation of His righteousness that I have fulfilled every jot and tittle of the Law and I am justified by God and declared "Not Guilty!" He is my Advocate, He is my Intercessor, He is my Mediator. He paid a debt He did not owe, I owed a debt I could not pay, I needed someone to wash my sins away.Paul says that the law is death. Jesus completed/fulfilled the Law Himself. What else is there that you believe you must fulfill where Jesus fell short?
Saul declares the Law is spiritual.And no, you don't get to say there is a spiritual interpretation to any of the Law, because that is you telling God how it is.
Gentiles as unbelievers don't care about heaven or hell. They are blind leading the blind and both and all fall into the ditch. Men do not seek God. For this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST], because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light [CHRIST], that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. (John 3:19–21.)And then to the non-Jewish Gentiles (ethnos, which refers to race, and mixed race is not considered a race)
Yes, because Gentiles don't want to go to hell. So no, they aren't
Demons are the evil attitudes/spirits of men. It is a mental condition. ALL the angels that sinned are locked up awaiting judgment and there are no sinful angels in the world today making people to sin. God locked them all up in darkness awaiting judgment. The only thing in the world today is saved individuals and unsaved individuals and the sin in the world comes from them. Born once, die twice. Born twice, die once. That is the only reality among men in the world today. Every "demon-" possessed men in the New Covenant writings whom Jesus saved were Hebrew and the first thing Jesus had to subdue was their attitudes, their evil human spirits, and every Hebrew or mixed-race Hebrew Jesus saved required an attitude adjustment. This is the attitudes the Jews had to deal with when Jesus said, "by whom did their fathers cast out these spirits." Unsaved men are not casting out Satan from other unsaved men. These are merely human spirits, or attitudes, that govern men's lives that are in focus. And such attitudes or spirits of men are the thieves that kill, steal, and destroy when left unchecked by God.I forgot. You decided to tell God that you hold the only meaning of this verse. The world speaks of the Satanic and demonic system of the world. (And yes, apparently, from a Jewish writer, demons are mentioned in the Old Testament under various Hebrew words.
The families of the earth that are blessed of God are those who are the seed of Abraham ONLY. One group is blessed, and one group is blessed and possess the Promises of God. To declare that ALL mankind has the blessings of God upon them would include that family from whom the man of sin is born from, including the man of sin also. Is the man of sin blessed of God? Is that your theology? It flies in the face of God to believe such a doctrine of demons that you espouse. Antichrist is blessed of God as also the man of sin according to your false teaching. The Scripture does not teach Universalism. The only families that are blessed of God are the families of the earth that are the seed of Abraham. For it is Abraham's Promised seed (Isaac, Jacob/Israel, and the twelve tribes/families that are ABOVE all the families that are not in covenant with God as Moses says here:I didn't say that about you, but if that's where you want to go, then...
How many times do I have to remind you that the promise to Abraham, for all the families of the Earth (in which Earth is universal, the whole planet) will be blessed is for the Jews and Gentiles.
The New Covenant writings by Jews and change it to make it apply to Gentiles such as what you say and do above.And of course, you leave out everything else, such as the book of Galatians was written to the Gentiles (ethnos, which again, is not mixed race races, but race. So, non-Hebrew Gentiles.)
Now, show me the Scripture from the Old Testament that shows God made salvation covenant with Gentiles, and tell me that Gentile persons' name. Even Jonah's prophecies was written to the Hebrew children of Israel - NOT to Gentiles."
44 The next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of [z]the Lord. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were [aa]blaspheming. 46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, “It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us,
‘I have placed You as a light for the Gentiles,
That You may [ab]bring salvation to the end of the earth.’”
48 When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of [ac]the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. 49 And the word of the Lord was being spread through the whole region. 50 But the Jews incited the [ad]devout women of prominence and the leading men of the city, and instigated a persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and drove them out of their [ae]district. 51 But they shook off the dust of their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were continually filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit."
These things took place among Jews and Jewish Christians and mixed-race Jews who are the descendants of the Jewish Diaspora, they are Jews and mixed-race Jews who were scattered among the Gentiles and in their 'regions.'Ooh, isn't that ethnos, which refers to races, not mixed races? Gentiles? Non-Hebrew Gentiles being saved by Paul, because the Jews blasphemed God?
The primary source for Peter's reference of the Old Testament is Exodus 19:6. Moses was identifying the children of Israel to whom God's Word to Moses for the children of Israel is to and for Israel:Another scripture that speaks of the Church that applies to 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
The New Covenant Church is populated with Jews and mixed-race Jews. In Jerusalem when the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL descended upon the eleven disciples in the upper room and while Peter was addressing the twelve tribes of Israel that were his audience Peter brings up prophesies by Joel and David, Peter begins by addressing the crowd's confusion, explaining that the miraculous speaking in tongues was the fulfillment of prophecy.Its Eph 1:14 when speaking of the Church comprised of both jew and gentile believers in Ephesus
INCORRECT.Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Now what is the purchased possession ? Why its the Church, bought with a price, as here Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Now the words purchased possession in Eph 1:14 is the same word for " a peculiar people " in 1 Pet 2:9, now how so that ? Because they're the same exact people ! 7