He that believes and is not water baptised is saved

[dwight92070]

In context, who is being addressed? Israel. (vs. 1) What was the problem? Romans 10:3 - For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Seeking justification by law = zeal for God but not according to knowledge here. So, accusing me of having a zeal for God but not according to knowledge by citing Romans 10:2 is a false accusation. I am not an Israelite who is seeking justification by law. My faith is in Jesus Christ for salvation and is not in my own righteousness which is from the law. (Philippians 3:9)

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. So, in John 6:40 and Romans 10:4 we see that those who believe have submitted to the righteousness of God and shall have eternal life. Elsewhere in Scripture, Jesus repeated multiple times that those who believe shall have eternal life. (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26) The apostle Paul also repeatedly said in Scripture that those who believe will be saved. (Acts 13:39; 16:31; Romans 1:16; 4:5-6; 1 Corinthians 1:21)

Should we also accuse Jesus and Paul of cherry picking and disregard those verses or should we believe Jesus and Paul?

"Cherry picking" means you're choosing the verses that prove your interpretation. How dare you? Of course, they don't have any verses that prove their interpretation, so they have to attack you for something, instead of believing your selection of verses.

 

[Seabass]

"Cherry picking" means you're choosing the verses that prove your interpretation. How dare you? Of course, they don't have any verses that prove their interpretation, so they have to attack you for something, instead of believing your selection of verses.

Cherry picking is when a person cherry picks only the verse(s) he claims supports his theological position while purposefully and obviously ignoring verse(s) that disproves his theological position.

in your post #1,280, you cherry picked Rom 1:16-17 to then claim belief only saves while purposefully ignoring Rom 2:4-5 that requires repentance, Rom 10:9-10 that requires confession and Rom 6:3-6 that requires baptism before one can walk in newness of life. When it comes to the topic of NT salvation, no one verse exhausts all there is to know about about salvation. Proper exegesis and logic require an examination of all salvific verses not just cherry picked ones while ignoring other verses.

 

[mailmandan]

"Cherry picking" means you're choosing the verses that prove your interpretation. How dare you? Of course, they don't have any verses that prove their interpretation, so they have to attack you for something, instead of believing your selection of verses.

We must properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine in order to avoid contradictions. Sadly, through bad semantics and flawed hermeneutics, certain folks end up distorting and perverting passages of scripture in an effort to "patch together" their so-called gospel plan which culminates in salvation by works. These same certain folks are more interested in accommodating their biased church doctrine at all costs than they are in seriously considering the truth.

 

[Aeliana]

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Carnal Christians and Spiritual Christians

because you are not yet spiritual. You are jealous and argue with each other. This proves you are not spiritual and you are acting like the people of this world.
1 Corinthians 3:3

There are two kinds of Christians, and you have to choose which one you will be. Will you be a carnal Christian or a spiritual Christian?A carnal Christian is a people-pleaser who cares more about what people think than about obeying God. They are immature, operating out of their emotions and doing whatever they feel like saying and doing.

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[360watt]

I believe Romans 6 is about water baptism, but not salvation.

Being baptized into Jesus's death is akin to being baptized for the remission of sins.

The baptism symbolizes His death (and resurrection) and is a commitment to live in a state of remission of sins.

Romans 6:4 KJV - 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This is not a salvation verse..but about service. This harmonizes with other verses such as Acts 2:38 and John 5:24.. showing the separation between salvation and service thru water baptism.