Justification by Faith

Justification by Christ Alone

Men please themselves with a conceit that they do not dishonor Jesus Christ in ascribing their justification to faith, because faith is a grace of Christ, and so from Christ. But, by the same reason, we may ascribe our justification to love, patience, temperance, goodness, etc., because they are from Christ and fruits of the same spirit faith is. {Gal.5:22} And may we not also by the same reason ascribe our justification to all our spiritual performances such as prayers, tears, and all our good works, because the power by which we do these is from Christ? “For without me,” Christ says, “ye can do nothing.” {Jn.15:5}
Oh all ye sons and daughters of the most High, lift up your voice, and cry, No inherent holiness to justification, as well as no works of the Law; for whatsoever is in us, and acted by us, and passes through us, is defiled by us, as “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.” {Isa.64:6} “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.” etc. {Tit.3:5-9} “Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength; even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.” {Is.45:24-25} Christ is our Righteousness; “in his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” {Jer.23:6} “I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD; I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only.” {Ps.71:16} “My tongue also shall talk of thy righteousness all the day long.” {Ps.71:24} No other righteousness can be compared to this. Samuel Richardson {Justification by Christ Alone, 1647}
 
Justification by Christ Alone

Men please themselves with a conceit that they do not dishonor Jesus Christ in ascribing their justification to faith, because faith is a grace of Christ, and so from Christ. But, by the same reason, we may ascribe our justification to love, patience, temperance, goodness, etc., because they are from Christ and fruits of the same spirit faith is. {Gal.5:22} And may we not also by the same reason ascribe our justification to all our spiritual performances such as prayers, tears, and all our good works, because the power by which we do these is from Christ? “For without me,” Christ says, “ye can do nothing.” {Jn.15:5}
Oh all ye sons and daughters of the most High, lift up your voice, and cry, No inherent holiness to justification, as well as no works of the Law; for whatsoever is in us, and acted by us, and passes through us, is defiled by us, as “all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags.” {Isa.64:6} “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.” etc. {Tit.3:5-9} “Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength; even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed. In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.” {Is.45:24-25} Christ is our Righteousness; “in his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.” {Jer.23:6} “I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD; I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only.” {Ps.71:16} “My tongue also shall talk of thy righteousness all the day long.” {Ps.71:24} No other righteousness can be compared to this. Samuel Richardson {Justification by Christ Alone, 1647}

And Calvin, the heretic, a Devil, took that "gift of righteousness" and limited it... abused it, and his deceived continue to do this for 400+ yrs.

See, they post the truth, and then lie about it, when they teach that this "Gift of Righteousness" this CROSS OF CHRIST< is not for the World as John 3:16 teaches it is... ... So, the Calvinist teaches instead that its only for the "pre-chosen", as Demonic Calvinism teaches them to believe.

And Reader that is how Paul says you spot a minister of the Devil.

"They are ministers of righteousness".. that is, they talk a liar's game, about it, by changing it, into..>"pre-destined only". or "based on works and commandments".

2 Corinthians 11:15
 
Justification by Christ Alone

We deny not, but affirm that we are justified by faith, but we deny we are justified by believing, for the word faith is not always to be understood for believing. The Scripture does not say that we are justified for, nor through, nor by believing; neither does it follow that we are justified by believing, because the Scripture says, we are justified by faith, because the word faith is diversely understood. Sometimes by faith is meant the doctrine of Christ, {Jude 3,} obedience to the faith, {Acts 6:7,} in the faith, {II Cor.13:5,} hearing of faith, {Gal.3:2,5} preaching the faith. {Gal.1:23} So also for the power by which we believe. Faith is to believe. Have faith in God. {Mk.11:22} Sometimes by faith is meant the profession of faith. {Rom.1:8} By faith we are to understand knowledge. {Eph.4:13} Sometimes Christ is called faith; {Gal.3:19 with 23:23;} the seed in the 19th verse is called faith in the 23rd verse and Christ in the 16th verse. So that to be justified through faith, and by faith, that is, through Christ, through his blood; {Eph.1:7} through the redemption that is in Jesus; {Rom.3:24;} so the word ‘through him’ is used; {I John 4:9;} through him and by him is all one. {Eph.1:5-7} “That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.” {Gal.3:14} Samuel Richardson {Divine Consolations Part 3, 1649}
 
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We deny not, but affirm that we are justified by faith, but we deny we are justified by believing,

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Justification by Christ Alone

But, you will say; the apostle Paul saith (Romans 5:1,) “That being justified by faith, we have peace with God;” and since the Holy Ghost saith, “we are justified by faith,” we must not dispute against it. I will answer in brief, and desire one thing of you, and that is to consult Beza upon this place; he renders the words out of the original, “Being justified by faith we have, peace with God,” without any stop from the first to the last. Our translators render the words thus, “Being justified by faith,” and then put a comma; but as Beza renders them (who is accounted a most sincere renderer of the original) he makes no stop: and, if that be true, why may not they be as well rendered thus; “Being justified, by faith we have peace with God?” And so ascribe justification to Christ, as a thing done before, let faith have reference to our peace; being justified by Christ, by faith we come to have peace with God, which stands current with the analogy of faith, and truth of the gospel: “For it is God that justifieth,” Romans 8:34. Justification is truly and properly the work of God himself, and cannot be the work of faith. But, Secondly, suppose the words to run as they are commonly rendered; I answer, then are we to distinguish in faith two things; there is the act of believing, and the object on which we believe; and so the words may be understood thus, “Being justified” by the righteousness of faith, or by the righteousness of Christ which we believe, “we have peace with God;” and so ascribe our justification to the object of our believing, the righteousness of Christ, and not to the act of believing. The truth is, beloved, the act of believing is a work, and as much ours, as our fear, prayer, and love are; and the apostle should contradict himself when he saith, “We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works,” if he mean the act of faith; he might as well have said, we are not justified by works, but we are justified by them. Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted}
 
“We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works,” if he mean the act of faith; he might as well have said, we are not justified by works, but we are justified by them. ""

John Calvinism spits on the Grace of God and is completely "anti-Cross".

See, God gave Jesus to everyone,

John 3:16
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 3:17

as God's "gift of Salvation" offer of Eternal Life through this Blood Atonement... That is the Cross of Christ.

The Devil John Calvin teaches against this, and says..."no, God only offers the Cross to who I SAY" = "Limited Atonement".

Calvin decided that He was smarter then God and had more authority then the Bible, so He rewrote God's Grace as his "doctrine of Devils"., and "many are deceived, thereby".
 
But now the righteousness of God has been revealed independently and altogether apart from the Law, although actually it is attested by the Law and the Prophets,
22 Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction, Romans 3:21–22

The meaning of the phrase The Righteousness of God is central to the doctrine of justification. The three major interpretations are:

(1) God’s judging and saving action in Christ through which the believer is legally declared to be righteous as a gift through faith in Christ;
(2) God’s saving act on the basis of Christ’s death and resurrection in which the declaration of righteousness includes an effective transformation of the believer through the power of the Spirit; or
(3) God’s covenantal faithfulness displayed in the cross of Christ, the ultimate fulfillment of his promise to Abraham.

At times it is hard to distinguish among the views since there is unavoidable overlap in both text and terminology, and because the search for a nice and tidy definition for something like the righteousness of God can be elusive. It is difficult these days to say, “I think the righteousness of God is (fill in the blank)” and not hear back, “Yes, but …”—even from those who agree with you.
 
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An ungodly person, after he is justified, believes; but you must understand it, it is not the faith of the man that simply and properly justifies, but it is that Christ in whom he believes; believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly: it is he that justifieth, that is Christ. It is not believing that justifies. Mark well that phrase; him that justifieth. Justification is an act of Christ, it is not an act of faith. But you will say, It is an act of Christ by faith. I answer, Then Christ justifies not alone. Is faith Christ himself? If not, then Christ must have a partner to justify, or else faith doth not justify, but Christ alone doth it. Nay, I say more, Christ justifies a person before he believes; for, he that believes is justified before he believes; for I ask you, whether in justification a man must believe a truth or a falsehood? You will say, he must believe a truth; then say I, it is a truth that he is justified before he believes it; he cannot believe that which is not, and if he be not justified, that he may believe it, he then believes that which is false. But he is first justified before he believes, then he believes that he is justified. But what then serves faith for? I answer, It serves for the manifestation of that justification which Christ puts upon a person by himself alone: that you by believing on him, may have the declaration, and manifestation of your justification. Faith is the evidence of things, it is not the being of things; and it is the evidence of things not seen. A man is justified, and that by Christ alone. “Faith is an evidence;” faith gives evidence to this thing, faith makes it known; by faith we come to apprehend it; by faith we come to rejoice in it, as we apprehend it to be our own. Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted}
 
Justification by Christ Alone

An ungodly person, after he is justified, believes; but you must understand it, it is not the faith of the man that simply and properly justifies, but it is that Christ in whom he believes; believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly: it is he that justifieth, that is Christ. It is not believing that justifies. Mark well that phrase; him that justifieth. Justification is an act of Christ, it is not an act of faith. But you will say, It is an act of Christ by faith. I answer, Then Christ justifies not alone. Is faith Christ himself? If not, then Christ must have a partner to justify, or else faith doth not justify, but Christ alone doth it. Nay, I say more, Christ justifies a person before he believes; for, he that believes is justified before he believes; for I ask you, whether in justification a man must believe a truth or a falsehood? You will say, he must believe a truth; then say I, it is a truth that he is justified before he believes it; he cannot believe that which is not, and if he be not justified, that he may believe it, he then believes that which is false. But he is first justified before he believes, then he believes that he is justified. But what then serves faith for? I answer, It serves for the manifestation of that justification which Christ puts upon a person by himself alone: that you by believing on him, may have the declaration, and manifestation of your justification. Faith is the evidence of things, it is not the being of things; and it is the evidence of things not seen. A man is justified, and that by Christ alone. “Faith is an evidence;” faith gives evidence to this thing, faith makes it known; by faith we come to apprehend it; by faith we come to rejoice in it, as we apprehend it to be our own. Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted}
Sorry BF but you're whole writing about this is off the rails.

Romans 5:1 says we are justified through FAITH.

But you will say, It is an act of Christ by faith. I answer, Then Christ justifies not alone. Is faith Christ himself? If not, then Christ must have a partner to justify, or else faith doth not justify, but Christ alone doth it.
Not true.

Analogy time: A judge says to everyone who has committed a certain crime I'm going to give you a pardon if you show up and report to the court house. They do their part and show up. The judge does what he says he will do....pardons them. That may require him to sign his name on a document or whatever.

He wouldn't have done this if they didn't show up. So who did the pardoning? The one who came? Of course not! The judge who filled out and signed the forms. Nobody I mean nobody in reasonably minded culture would say I was a partner with the judge in bringing about the benefit.

The judge did it and all the praise and thanksgiving would go to him. One must however come or one must however believe in order to be justified but everyone understands how language works.....the judge did it all even though everyone knows it wouldn't have happened if they didn't do what the judge said they need to do.

Calvinistic thinking however twist the way words are reasonably meant to be understood and puts forth the extreme.
 
Sorry BF but you're whole writing about this is off the rails.

Romans 5:1 says we are justified through FAITH.


Not true.

Analogy time: A judge says to everyone who has committed a certain crime I'm going to give you a pardon if you show up and report to the court house. They do their part and show up. The judge does what he says he will do....pardons them. That may require him to sign his name on a document or whatever.

He wouldn't have done this if they didn't show up. So who did the pardoning? The one who came? Of course not! The judge who filled out and signed the forms. Nobody I mean nobody in reasonably minded culture would say I was a partner with the judge in bringing about the benefit.

The judge did it and all the praise and thanksgiving would go to him. One must however come or one must however believe in order to be justified but everyone understands how language works.....the judge did it all even though everyone knows it wouldn't have happened if they didn't do what the judge said they need to do.

Calvinistic thinking however twist the way words are reasonably meant to be understood and puts forth the extreme.

Here's my two cents on the topic. Interestingly enough, it combines elements of truth that both of you brought to light :


"Preserved by the Faith of Christ" :


Galatians 2:16,20,"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ [pistis Christou], even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ [pistis Christou], and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."...(vs.20)," I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God [pistis Christou], who loved me, and gave himself for me." (KJV)

The expression "faith of Christ" appears in Galatians in 2:16 (twice); 2:20 ('Son of God'); and 3:22. It appears elsewhere in Romans 3:22, Philippians 3:9, and Eph.3:12 ('faith of him').

The earlier standard of English Protestant translations, the KJV, translated the phrase as "faith of Christ," which was changed in most of the more modern English translations. The NET (New English Translation) Bible is a notable exception.

Over the last several decades, a lively debate has been taking place over the meaning of the phrase "faith of Christ" or "faith of Jesus Christ" in Paul’s writings. And because this debate is over whether the phrase "pistis Christou" means “faith in Christ or “the faith[fulness] of Christ”; it is commonly referred to as "the pistis Christou debate."

The debate becomes very important when we consider it's affects on how we present the gospel and understand salvation. The two principal ways this phrase is currently translated in the debate are Jesus Christ’s faith/faithfulness, or, faith in Jesus Christ. Thus, the person named can be either the doer (the subject) or the receiver (the object) of the action implied by the other noun—faith, in this case.

The issue at stake is whether these genitive constructions should be translated as objective genitives, “faith in Christ,” or as subjective genitives, “faith of Christ.” Consequently, if we take our phrase in the subjective sense, the meaning is the faith or faithfulness that Jesus Christ displays, while the objective sense is expressed as faith directed to Jesus Christ.

This kind of ambiguity is common in language, and we depend on something in the context or our experience to determine the correct meaning. For instance, when Paul says, “The love of Christ compels us” in 2 Corinthians 5:14 (NIV), does he mean our love for Christ (objective genitive), or Christ’s love for us (subjective genitive)? Although either possibility exists in both the Greek and the English, as it pertains to the subject at hand, the grammatical evidence appears to favor recognizing "pistis Christous" as a subjective genitive.

Two passages are critical for me in establishing a grammatical base for a subjective genitive reading. First, although arguments for and against subjective genitive readings have appealed to sources outside Paul’s writings and have been used to strengthen their arguments, the most significant passage must be Romans 4:16..."Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all."

Here Paul uses a genitive construction without a definite article, that can only be read as a subjective genitive. It is clearly Abraham’s faith that Paul refers to, not our faith in Abraham. This passage proves that Paul understood and used genitive constructions when he wanted to talk of the “faith of” an individual.

The second is found in Galatians 2:16..."knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

In addition to encouraging a faith in Christ - "even we have believed in Christ Jesus", this verse also includes two examples of pistis Christou. The context suggests to me that Paul is making a distinction between the roles of the faith of Christ and the believer’s faith in Christ in this passage. If he is not making this distinction, then the passage reads as follows: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

Although some disagree by asserting that the threefold reading of “faith in Christ” is for emphasis, the grammatical makeup of the verse strongly suggests to me that Paul is here distinguishing between the two critical requirements for justification before God. This is especially so due to the 'hina' clause that joins the two phrases: “we have have believed in Jesus Christ” and “we might be justified by "pistis Christou.” The Greek conjunction 'hina'
(in order that) shows that the second phrase is a consequence of the first, not just a restatement, requiring "the faith of Christ" as the correct rendering of "pistis Christou."

Those who gravitate toward a performance based acceptance before God have an extremely difficult time processing, and/or accepting "pistis Christous" as a subjective genitive; perhaps because this subjective genitive perspective provides yet another reminder as to why every believer can be assured of the reception of their heavenly inheritance by virtue of being "in Christ". It is a very compelling and eye-opening aspect of Paul’s theology because it emphasizes that salvation is rooted in God’s grace in Christ rather than our faith.

This is not to say that a person's faith in Christ isn't an essential component in salvation, but at the end of the day, it is Christ and His blood, rather than our faith, that provides the only sufficient ground of any person's salvation. The issue is not "either/or" but "both/and".. but first and foremost, we are to place our focus and trust in Christ's faith[fulness] rather than faith in our faith. Apart from this mindset we are at risk of turning the channel of faith into an act or a "work" that merits salvation. Perhaps another way of stating it would be...we are to place our faith in the faith/faithfulness of Christ, which without... "ye have believed in vain." - 1 Cor.15:2.

The issues involved in this discussion are complex. I am not attempting to undergo a thorough exegesis of all the many relevant texts, but rather to shed more light upon the issue. One of my goals is to demonstrate that reading 'the righteousness of God' as God's righteousness, and the 'faith of Christ' as Christ's faith/fulness is thoroughly consistent with the rightly cherished Protestant doctrine of 'justifcation by faith alone.'(primarily 'the imputed righteousness of Christ').

Romans 3:20-24,"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ [pistis Christou] unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:"

Philippians 3:9,"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ ['pistis Christou'], the righteousness which is of God by faith:"

"The righteousness which is of God" can only be obtained by virtue of being in 'union with Christ' [being found 'in him']. This righteousness originates from God through the faith[fulness] of Christ, and is imputed to all those who do not trust in their righteousness (or moral acts) in order for their justification, but instead have believed in Christ's.

Those who trust in their moral actions and performance as the ground of their justification before God cannot be justified in the eyes of God , and consequently will never receive assurance that their sins have been forgiven (while, as long as) they remain in that mind-set. The enemy of our souls, Satan, doesn't want any person who imagines or considers themselves to be accepted in the eyes of God to know that they aren't; or, that they can and will receive the blessed assurance of their salvation, that is, the forgiveness of their sins, their acceptance before God, and a future Heavenly home by solely placing their trust in Christ's righteousness and not any of their own. Justification comes as a free gift by the grace of God through the redemption that is in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:21,"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."

Ephesians 3:12,"In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him [pistis Christou]."

So, do we place our faith in "being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:" (Romans 3:24)...or by our performance and best efforts?...the answer appears to be very obvious. If this be true, why would anyone suppose that they continue in a justified position on the ground of self performance or best efforts?

Some claim that a genuine believer may fall from, or forfeit, their justified position by failing to continue placing their faith in Christ. However, a believer's faith was never, at any time, the ground of their justification, it was the only appointed means to receive the free gift of salvation..."lest any man should boast."(Eph.2:9). Once a person commits to placing their sole confidence in Christ's atoning work for their salvation, their nature will undergo a radical transformation at the point of regeneration, resulting in a trusting, or faith, that will never totally or ultimately be extinguished.

2 Timothy 1:12,"For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day."

Philippians 1:6,"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:"

To read the expression 'pistis Christou' as a reference to Christ's faith[fulness] does not detract from the essentialness of the believer's faith; for everywhere Paul uses the phrase he juxtaposes another expression which unambiguously denotes a human response. However, to read it as the Christian's belief in Christ [faith in Christ] neglects important Pauline instruction concerning Christ's redemptive work.

There are certainly some who hold to 'the faith[fulness] of Christ' as being the best rendering of 'pistis Christou', yet hold differing positions which stand in serious conflict with the common Reformational confession of 'justification by faith alone.' Most prominently, N.T. Wright, for example, "The New Perspective on Paul", argues that Paul's justification language primarily refers to the divine declaration that a person belongs among the covenant people, that Paul does not affirm the imputation of Christ's righteousness to believers, and that the final judgment will be passed 'on the basis of the entire life.'

Conclusions such as N.T. Wright's, and their theologically implications, certainly do constitute a significant revision of the Reformed doctrine of justification itself; a revision that I do not support.

Summary/Key Points :

(1) God’s grace as the source of the believer’s justification.

(2) The nature of justification as a judicial verdict, by which God grants to sinners a new righteous status, on the basis of Christ’s death.

(3) Faith, trust in Christ, as the sole instrument through which God’s grace of justification is received.

I agree with Murray Smith's (following) perspective on this issue :

"[The points listed above] are all clearly evident in Romans 3:21-26 [but most certainly not limited to those verses]. Nevertheless, the apostle’s emphasis in this crucial paragraph is first theological and Christo-centric : he affirms, first and foremost, that the gospel reveals and vindicates God’s own righteousness, manifested in Christ’s trusting obedience to the Father, even to the point of death, and that this work of Christ provides the only ground for the justification of all who believe.

Indeed, far from posing a threat to the long-cherished Reformed doctrine of justification by grace through faith alone, this understanding of Paul’s argument in Romans 3 provides it with deeper roots. For if the gospel reveals God’s own righteousness, it reveals nothing less than God’s commitment to act in accordance with his own name, the name which declares that he is ‘the Lord, the Lord, gracious and compassionate, abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness’. On this reading, Paul’s affirmation that justification comes from God’s free grace is not limited to the brief statement in Romans3:24 (‘by his grace as a gift’), but deeply anchored in the very name of God.

In the same way, if the gospel reveals that God’s righteousness has been manifested in Christ’s faith/fulness, ‘the blood’ which provides the ground for the sinner’s justification is no arbitrary sacrifice, but the culmination of the perfect trusting obedience of the true Adam, the son of David, whose sacrifice of himself fully satisfies God’s justice precisely because it was the one and only sacrifice offered in perfect faith."
 
Sorry BF but you're whole writing about this is off the rails.

Romans 5:1 says we are justified through FAITH.


Not true.

Analogy time: A judge says to everyone who has committed a certain crime I'm going to give you a pardon if you show up and report to the court house. They do their part and show up. The judge does what he says he will do....pardons them. That may require him to sign his name on a document or whatever.

He wouldn't have done this if they didn't show up. So who did the pardoning? The one who came? Of course not! The judge who filled out and signed the forms. Nobody I mean nobody in reasonably minded culture would say I was a partner with the judge in bringing about the benefit.

The judge did it and all the praise and thanksgiving would go to him. One must however come or one must however believe in order to be justified but everyone understands how language works.....the judge did it all even though everyone knows it wouldn't have happened if they didn't do what the judge said they need to do.

Calvinistic thinking however twist the way words are reasonably meant to be understood and puts forth the extreme.
Ive taken time to explain the truth to you friend.
 
The debate becomes very important when we consider it's affects on how we present the gospel and understand salvation. The two principal ways this phrase is currently translated in the debate are Jesus Christ’s faith/faithfulness, or, faith in Jesus Christ. Thus, the person named can be either the doer (the subject) or the receiver (the object) of the action implied by the other noun—faith, in this case.
When I browse through Bible Hub versions on a verse like Gal 2:16 I see the more well known versions seem to have it faith in Jesus, except the King James. I suspect the NKJV is more in the right when they've went with faith in Jesus.

The issue at stake is whether these genitive constructions should be translated as objective genitives, “faith in Christ,” or as subjective genitives, “faith of Christ.” Consequently, if we take our phrase in the subjective sense, the meaning is the faith or faithfulness that Jesus Christ displays, while the objective sense is expressed as faith directed to Jesus Christ.
I'd say seeing we know in context how much of the time faith in Jesus, (according to your faith so be it unto you) basically always meant according to your word and actions I'd say we can be rest assured it is faith in Jesus. But even if one were to argue faith of Christ that still doesn't set aside God has provided faith through the hearing of the gospel but men STILL must choose to act upon it.


 
Justification by Christ Alone

You may consider justification in a double sense, and that, according to the opinion of our divines, there is justification in heaven, and in a man’s conscience. Justification in heaven is God’s act alone; justification in the consciences of men, is the manifestation of that act of God to them, by which a man comes to know, and consequently rejoice in it; and so you may read the words thus, “Being justified by faith,” that is, through faith having the justification of God evidenced and manifested to our spirits, “we have peace with him.” And, beloved, you shall find this to be a very solid and genuine interpretation of the words, and agreeable to the scriptures; for peace and joy are always appropriated to persons believing; as much as to say, the act of justification in heaven, though perfectly done, is yet secret in the breast of God alone, till he gives persons faith, that beholds the grace of God, that brings the glad tidings of justification to the soul, and so it rejoiceth in it; therefore the apostle prays after this manner, “The Lord fill you with all joy and peace in believing.” So that it is true, we have not the comfort; we cannot say particularly to our spirits, God hath justified me, and I rejoice in this, till we believe; because faith is made, by the Lord, to be the “evidence of things not seen,” as in Hebrews 11:1. And that is the proper work that God hath given to believing, not to effect anything to the good of a man, but only to be the witness of that good to his spirit; and so give light to that which was secret before. So that still it remains, that the laying of iniquity itself upon Christ, is the Lord’s act, and his only; our faith seeth what the Lord hath done; and, when God gives us to believe, faith manifests it to us, and so our souls come to have peace, in sum, therefore, beloved, God lays, Christ bears, and faith sees iniquity laid upon him. God, through Christ, perfect this work in us, that so, faith seeing, “we may have all joy and peace in believing.” Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted}
 
When I browse through Bible Hub versions on a verse like Gal 2:16 I see the more well known versions seem to have it faith in Jesus, except the King James. I suspect the NKJV is more in the right when they've went with faith in Jesus.


I'd say seeing we know in context how much of the time faith in Jesus, (according to your faith so be it unto you) basically always meant according to your word and actions I'd say we can be rest assured it is faith in Jesus. But even if one were to argue faith of Christ that still doesn't set aside God has provided faith through the hearing of the gospel but men STILL must choose to act upon it.

"But even if one were to argue faith of Christ that still doesn't set aside God has provided faith through the hearing of the gospel but men STILL must choose to act upon it."

Agreed, I believe I made that point quite clear. However, it also becomes very apparent that the scenario here is not one of "either/or", but one of "both/and". The case here, as in so very many others, is certainly not setting two "streams" of scriptural truth in opposition to each other, but rather, in successfully reconciling/harmonizing the two ... that is, seeking to understand the relationship between those two streams of truth.
 
Justification by Christ Alone

You may consider justification in a double sense, and that, according to the opinion of our divines, there is justification in heaven, and in a man’s conscience. Justification in heaven is God’s act alone; justification in the consciences of men, is the manifestation of that act of God to them, by which a man comes to know, and consequently rejoice in it; and so you may read the words thus, “Being justified by faith,” that is, through faith having the justification of God evidenced and manifested to our spirits, “we have peace with him.” And, beloved, you shall find this to be a very solid and genuine interpretation of the words, and agreeable to the scriptures; for peace and joy are always appropriated to persons believing; as much as to say, the act of justification in heaven, though perfectly done, is yet secret in the breast of God alone, till he gives persons faith, that beholds the grace of God, that brings the glad tidings of justification to the soul, and so it rejoiceth in it; therefore the apostle prays after this manner, “The Lord fill you with all joy and peace in believing.” So that it is true, we have not the comfort; we cannot say particularly to our spirits, God hath justified me, and I rejoice in this, till we believe; because faith is made, by the Lord, to be the “evidence of things not seen,” as in Hebrews 11:1. And that is the proper work that God hath given to believing, not to effect anything to the good of a man, but only to be the witness of that good to his spirit; and so give light to that which was secret before. So that still it remains, that the laying of iniquity itself upon Christ, is the Lord’s act, and his only; our faith seeth what the Lord hath done; and, when God gives us to believe, faith manifests it to us, and so our souls come to have peace, in sum, therefore, beloved, God lays, Christ bears, and faith sees iniquity laid upon him. God, through Christ, perfect this work in us, that so, faith seeing, “we may have all joy and peace in believing.” Tobias Crisp {Christ Alone Exalted}
I find it interesting that you continuously hear defense against your arguments, and when you find that you cannot find a proper counter to the defense against you, you just move on to post another excerpt from someone else's writing to continue your attack on Biblical doctrine. Take a step back and learn from the Scriptures that have been presented to you. Calvin was right in many of his perceptions of humanity and in God's greatness, but he was wrong in his conclusions that lead to TULIP. TULIP goes much further than the Bible does in describing man's incapacity, and does not allow for (actually teaching against) man's need to respond to God.
 
I find it interesting that you continuously hear defense against your arguments, and when you find that you cannot find a proper counter to the defense against you, you just move on to post another excerpt from someone else's writing to continue your attack on Biblical doctrine. Take a step back and learn from the Scriptures that have been presented to you. Calvin was right in many of his perceptions of humanity and in God's greatness, but he was wrong in his conclusions that lead to TULIP. TULIP goes much further than the Bible does in describing man's incapacity, and does not allow for (actually teaching against) man's need to respond to God.
You are being shown a proper understanding of Justification by Faith, by me and other godly men God has raised up in the past, yet you wont hear it, because you cant !
 
You are being shown a proper understanding of Justification by Faith, by me and other godly men God has raised up in the past, yet you wont hear it, because you cant !
Of course that's a claim a Calvinist would make. Another claim though would be noble type of believers like the Bereans have tested what you claim and find it falls short of being considered credible. Each one here who is interested in this subject will have to decide.
 
You are being shown a proper understanding of Justification by Faith, by me and other godly men God has raised up in the past, yet you wont hear it, because you cant !
I won't accept what you say because it is in direct contradiction to Scripture. And the men you are posting are saying equally contradictory things, so I cannot accept them as "godly men".
 
Justification in Christ Alone

Faith they {gospel conditionalists} say, is a grace wrought by the Spirit of God, whereby a believer rests upon Jesus Christ for justification, and this they call faith of adherence; and when this faith works through love, obedience, self-denial, and other fruits, they call it the faith of assurance; for they say, assurance is obtained through the Spirit of God bearing witness in promises and good works, as well as by itself; and faith working thus, is sanctification too, or holiness wrought by graces. - We look not on justification as flowing from Christ acted upon by the faith of a believer first, and so a consequent of believing or of faith, but an antecedent or going before faith; we hold Jesus Christ to be righteousness and justification to a sinner, and that all are justified before they believe or repent; faith and repentance are fruits of righteousness or justification, Christ being given to open the eyes of the blind, and to bring the prisoners out of prison &c., and that all such righteousness and justification clothes the sinner so completely through God’s imputation, that all sin is done away like a thick cloud, and none imputed to believers; Christ hath taken away all sin by his offering up one sacrifice once for all; and that faith in the believer doth nothing, no not instrumentally as to justification, but as by way of revelation and manifestation of that justification - all this righteousness and justification we take upon the account merely of God’s imputation, of Christ without us, or in heaven, who calleth things that are not as if they were; and we look upon all works and duties, &c. as works flowing from love, and from justification or righteousness, not directed to justification or in any order to it; we believe, repent, love, and obey not that we may be saved, but because we are saved; and any other way of believing, obeying, &c. we look upon as legal, and not so purely evangelical; and we hold forth all the work of justification and righteousness to be of mere grace, and that all Gospel promises are free; and Christ is freely offered to sinners as sinners, in the ministery of the Word. John Saltmarsh {Sparkles of Glory - 1647}
 
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