Just because a gentile becomes Born-Again......

e v e said:
eden paradise is the promised land

and the new creation.
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Eden is outside of what would become Jerusalem. The Promised Land is described in Genesis 17 and covers area from the Mediterranean Sea to the River Euphrates and from the Syrian border down to Egypt.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Eden is outside of what would become Jerusalem. The Promised Land is described in Genesis 17 and covers area from the Mediterranean Sea to the River Euphrates and from the Syrian border down to Egypt.
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Eden is not on this earth... we lost our home . ...


think about this....

There was no reason for God to provide a 'different or second land'... He declared His creation Good.

He did not change course because of the fall or need to find us a different land.

There is no further 'creation of a promised land' ..

What there is , is the fall... and His promise to restore us ... and by that to Undo the fall.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Since Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers were both groups obedient to the Torah and were received as observant, converted Gentiles, they were not accepted as Jews/Hebrew nor were they accepted as being in any Hebrew/Jewish covenant for the Jews knew their Scripture that God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his seed and they knew Gentiles do not come from the loins or the seed of Abraham and thus were NOT in any Hebrew/Jewish covenant. They were received as receiving the blessings of being a Israeli citizen (common-WEALTH) and were in synagogue every sabbath and more having been witnessed of Israel's Messiah when the Jews in synagogue were witnessed the same time. They are the Gentiles Saul was apostle to and unless the context specifically identifies non-commonwealth Gentiles (Roman, Barbarian, Greek, etc.), then it is speaking of proselytes and God-Fearers.

Yes, I am saved. But I know there were several Gentile groups at the time and do not immediately think Greek, Barbarian, or Roman Gentiles when the context is speaking of proselytes and God-Fearers, Gentiles who were allied with the Jewish nation and citizens of the same. They were in synagogue with the Jews when Jewish Christians returned from the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) and heard the message of Jesus of Nazareth and Peter's sermon FIRST before Romans, Greeks or barbarians and were first converted to Christ along with other Jews whom the Lord added to His Church. I know how to make a distinction because there is a distinction to be made.

I also know the original covenant is made with Abram the Hebrew and with his seed for only other Hebrews can come from two Hebrew parents after their kind. Gentiles do not come from Hebrew parents, and this is a truism that Gentile Christians are blind to. I also know Scripture records Abraham and Sarah had Ishmael who had twelve prince-sons and that Isaac had Esau who was also the seed of Abraham (grandson) and through both Ishmael and Esau and their descendants became a people still existing today, nations and kings that did indeed "come out of thee" (Abraham) as Scripture records.

Roman, Barbarian, Greek, and other non-Hebrew, non-proselyte and non-God Fearers were converted to Christ but was only a few scattered around the Empire. It was only AFTER the Temple was destroyed that the Times of the Gentiles began, and regular idol-worshiping Gentiles were being saved in higher numbers. But before that, the Church Christ promised to build is according to covenant and prophecy and only Jews were the ones being added to the Church daily in the thousands along with proselytes and God-Fearers for these are the Gentiles most addressed in the NT Gospels and epistles since they heard the message of Christ first along with the Jews in synagogue.
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Trusting in the flesh, basing Salvation on ethnicity, you know thats not of God.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Since Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers were both groups obedient to the Torah and were received as observant, converted Gentiles, they were not accepted as Jews/Hebrew nor were they accepted as being in any Hebrew/Jewish covenant for the Jews knew their Scripture that God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his seed and they knew Gentiles do not come from the loins or the seed of Abraham and thus were NOT in any Hebrew/Jewish covenant. They were received as receiving the blessings of being a Israeli citizen (common-WEALTH) and were in synagogue every sabbath and more having been witnessed of Israel's Messiah when the Jews in synagogue were witnessed the same time. They are the Gentiles Saul was apostle to and unless the context specifically identifies non-commonwealth Gentiles (Roman, Barbarian, Greek, etc.), then it is speaking of proselytes and God-Fearers.

Yes, I am saved. But I know there were several Gentile groups at the time and do not immediately think Greek, Barbarian, or Roman Gentiles when the context is speaking of proselytes and God-Fearers, Gentiles who were allied with the Jewish nation and citizens of the same. They were in synagogue with the Jews when Jewish Christians returned from the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) and heard the message of Jesus of Nazareth and Peter's sermon FIRST before Romans, Greeks or barbarians and were first converted to Christ along with other Jews whom the Lord added to His Church. I know how to make a distinction because there is a distinction to be made.

I also know the original covenant is made with Abram the Hebrew and with his seed for only other Hebrews can come from two Hebrew parents after their kind. Gentiles do not come from Hebrew parents, and this is a truism that Gentile Christians are blind to. I also know Scripture records Abraham and Sarah had Ishmael who had twelve prince-sons and that Isaac had Esau who was also the seed of Abraham (grandson) and through both Ishmael and Esau and their descendants became a people still existing today, nations and kings that did indeed "come out of thee" (Abraham) as Scripture records.

Roman, Barbarian, Greek, and other non-Hebrew, non-proselyte and non-God Fearers were converted to Christ but was only a few scattered around the Empire. It was only AFTER the Temple was destroyed that the Times of the Gentiles began, and regular idol-worshiping Gentiles were being saved in higher numbers. But before that, the Church Christ promised to build is according to covenant and prophecy and only Jews were the ones being added to the Church daily in the thousands along with proselytes and God-Fearers for these are the Gentiles most addressed in the NT Gospels and epistles since they heard the message of Christ first along with the Jews in synagogue.
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you make about as much since as our politicians ... are you 100% Jewish decent ..when i say i mean pure blood able to trace your linage to the point none of your ancestors ever married out side the jewish blood line? if not that makes you a gentile . i really Wish you would stop tooting your own horn . you sound as if your the only one saved the only one who knows scripture . your sounding as tinkling brass in other words your not making any sense
 
synergy said:
The subject I'm discussing with you is that Paul's audience in Ephesus is Gentiles. I wasn't talking about Jewish Covenants. I know that it's really tough for Judaizers to stay on subject but could you do me the courtesy of at least staying on subject? Is that too much to ask for?

Since you offered nothing to the contrary, it is a fact that Paul's audience at Ephesus is in fact Gentiles plus nothing.
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Saul wrote to Jewish Christians at Ephesus. No Gentile would have the level of Hebrew history, culture, and religious knowledge necessary to understand what Saul was talking about. The first Gentiles converted to Christ were proselytes and God-Fearers. And once they were converted, along with Saul, remained obedience to God's Torah in their daily life.
 
brightfame52 said:
Trusting in the flesh, basing Salvation on ethnicity, you know thats not of God.
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It most definitely is God.
This is one reason why it calls Abram a Hebrew. Next, because of the covenant with Abram the Hebrew and the circumcision that God commanded this in and of itself created a separation from non-Hebrews on ethnicity basis whether you want to agree with Scripture of not. The fact remains that Gentiles were the descendants of Ham and Japheth, and the ethnic Hebrew was a descendant of Shem through Eber. Once the Abrahamic Covenant was made this created a distinction of a people that were not in covenant with God called Gentiles or non-Hebrew. This is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes.
 
synergy said:
The subject I'm discussing with you is that Paul's audience in Ephesus is Gentiles. I wasn't talking about Jewish Covenants. I know that it's really tough for Judaizers to stay on subject but could you do me the courtesy of at least staying on subject? Is that too much to ask for?

Since you offered nothing to the contrary, it is a fact that Paul's audience at Ephesus is in fact Gentiles plus nothing.
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Saul wrote to Jewish Christians at Ephesus.
Only Jews would understand Saul's letter for he speaks/writes to Jews:



1 PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal. 1:1–10.

The "another gospel" Saul mentions is (a return) to Judaism.

And only a Jew would know and understand Saul's words here:

13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: Gal. 1:12–13.

The whole context of his letter is his experiences as a Jew in relation to other Jews, specifically, to Jewish Christians. He references the Law:

16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Gal. 2:15–16.

Jews would understand what he is talking about. Gentiles would not.

Again Saul references the Law:

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal. 3:1–2.

This whole letter is addressed to Jewish Christians for no Gentile would know anything about their Torah, or of Israel's Messiah, and the other subject matter brought into his letter to Jewish Christians. He doesn't discuss anything pertaining to Gentiles. Nada.
You have been infected by a Gentile theology that has excluded true, biblical Christianity which was founded by Christ on the day of Pentecost in which to begin building His Church Christ saved 3000 Jews. And Jews were added to Christ's Church daily by the thousands such as should be saved. True, biblical Christianity is Judaism Completed for Christ, Israel's Messiah fulfilled their Law and when a Jew was born again continued to obey God's Torah. Even Saul after meeting Jesus on the Damascus road continued in obeying God's Torah. And THAT is true, biblical Christianity.
 
john said:
psst one last thing WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE lord SHALL BE SAVED ! romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
your gentile theology is wrong . the Jewish nation was cut out of the vine and the gentiles nations grafted in . the Jew just like anyone else must be born again from above its a spiritual birth called regeneration , nationality has Nothing to do with it.. its a heart matter romans 10:10 .
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Romans 10:9-10 is NOT a formula for salvation. The terminology of what it means "to call upon the Lord" means worship and no man can worship unless he is in Christ. "Calling upon the Lord" means worship.
In Jeremiah God calls Israel an Olive tree. But nowhere in Scripture are Gentiles called Olive tree nor even a wild Olive tree. You are adding to the Bible things that is not there nor does it say. You are infected with a Gentile theology that is in serious error.
john said:
i am not responding to your junk theology

pay real close attention to the next set of scripture.

Galatians 1:8-9​

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King James Version​

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

your treading on thin ice and no i am not going to explain it .you would reject it
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Saul wrote those words to Jewish Christians at Galatia. The "another gospel" is Judaism. Study the words "other" and "another." Learn the truth.
Saul also says to Jewish Christians if they received the Spirit through the Law or through faith in Christ. Gentiles are not the target audience Saul wrote to.
He wrote to Jewish Christians at Galatia.
ALL the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation are written to Jewish Christians.
 
jeremiah1five said:
It most definitely is God.
This is one reason why it calls Abram a Hebrew. Next, because of the covenant with Abram the Hebrew and the circumcision that God commanded this in and of itself created a separation from non-Hebrews on ethnicity basis whether you want to agree with Scripture of not. The fact remains that Gentiles were the descendants of Ham and Japheth, and the ethnic Hebrew was a descendant of Shem through Eber. Once the Abrahamic Covenant was made this created a distinction of a people that were not in covenant with God called Gentiles or non-Hebrew. This is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes.
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Trusting in the flesh, basing Salvation on ethnicity, you know thats not of God.
 
Your race card playing is getting old. There is Messianic jews like myself, there are Orthodox and Reform jews which are non-Messianic, the are Messianic Gentiles and there are non Messianic Gentiles.
What part of that do you not understand?
 

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