Just because a gentile becomes Born-Again......

[synergy]

The Church is Israel. The Bride is Israel.

The Church (ekklesia = "called out [ones]") was founded originally in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle. The children of Israel were "called out" of Egypt the same as baby Jesus was "called out" of Egypt, only the term in the OT is "Great Congregation." And this Great Congregation were the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.

8 Also at the same time Solomon kept the feast seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt. 2 Chron. 7:8.

13 And there assembled at Jerusalem much people to keep the feast of unleavened bread in the second month, a very great congregation. 2 Chron. 30:13.

18 I will give thee thanks in the great congregation: I will praise thee among much people. Psalm 35:18.

Nowhere in the Hebrew Scripture are Gentiles called "Olive tree" let alone "wild" Olive tree.

Cornelius was a God-Fearer. The "devout" is a reference to being a God-Fearer however they/he was not circumcised. They committed everything to God and His Torah except circumcision for one reason or the other. Still, they and proselytes were closest to the commonwealth of Israel (citizenship) and were allied with the people of Israel in all ways except circumcision and were the first Gentiles to hear about Jesus of Nazareth and the testimony of His life and the Presence in Israel of their Holy Spirit of Promise and while in the synagogues every sabbath heard the message from other Jewish Christians that their Messiah had come and the gospel (good news) about it was that God has kept His Promise (Deut. 18:15, 18.)

Christ promised to build His Church, and this began with the Advent of the Holy Spirit on the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost) and the Church Christ built was populated by Jews. For four decades until the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple Christ was building His Church and with the destruction of the Temple halted the building this Carpenter began until the Times of the Gentiles is fulfilled, and God will then remove Israel's collective blindness, send two witnesses/prophets, will use the Hebrew Scripture to show Israel this Jesus was truly their long-awaited Messiah, Redeemer, Savior, anand that d King.
And then all Israel shall be saved as per covenant and prophecy. God will at that time continue building His Church up to the day of His return.

You always conveniently forget to mention that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles who called out Judaizer Supremicists from imposing their Legalisms.

Also, you never mention how Hellenized Diaspora Jews were God's Elect to be the first fruits of the Apostles' mission to the Greek speaking people of the Eastern Roman Empire. As such, the Greek OT (LXX) was vital in God's Election to spread Christianity throughout the Empire.

 

[e v e]

Abram was Hebrew. He married his cousin, another Hebrew. Their children were all Hebrew. Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham.
And it has everything to do with race. Abraham is the father of the Hebrew people the Jews. You can follow Jesus' family line all the way to Abraham, and Eber, and Noah, to Seth, and to Adam. Gentiles became Gentiles (non-Hebrew) when God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)
The Hebrews became a nation through Moses and the giving of God's Torah/Law.

this flesh cannot enter eden paradise

 

[brightfame52]

Isaiah 42 and 46 are not covenant. Merely bringing light to Gentiles does not say Gentiles are in the Abrahamic Covenant or ANY covenant. I think you should be concerned because God's Servant is not bringing grace, BUT JUDGMENT and this is something you should be worried about.

Gentiles are included in the Covenant Promises. Isa 42,46

You are trusting in the flesh.

Judgment in this instance is the blessings of the covenant

John 9:39

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

cp Isa 42:1,6-7

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

 

[jeremiah1five]

You always conveniently forget to mention that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles who called out Judaizer Supremicists from imposing their Legalisms.

Jesus did the same thing. However, both Jesus and Saul as well as the other Jewish Christians whose epistles are in our canon were all obedient to the Torah. What you say Saul was against was anything and anyone who elevated traditions over the Torah, but as I said, when the Holy Spirit arrived and Jews were being saved and born again by the thousands, all the Jews who became Christian in time understood that their experiences were the beginning of a new era that brought completion to their Judaism.
And let's not forget that the Gentiles Saul was sent to were proselytes and God-Fearers, not uncircumcised. non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Barbarian, or Greek Gentiles. For it was these proselytes and God-Fearers that were present in synagogue and heard all the testimony and witness of Jews who were born again and in receiving their Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the completion of their Judaism.

Also, you never mention how Hellenized Diaspora Jews were God's Elect to be the first fruits of the Apostles' mission to the Greek speaking people of the Eastern Roman Empire. As such, the Greek OT (LXX) was vital in God's Election to spread Christianity throughout the Empire.

Understand that God chose Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) to whom a covenant was made and as a chosen vessel he brought in an inheritance to all his offspring (Gen. 17:7.)
Israel is God's Chosen.
Israel is God's Elect.
Israel is God's Church and Bride and are also His saints, a peculiar people, and through Christ are a people separated unto God unto salvation.
When the LXX was completed, it wasn't used to "spread Christianity throughout the Empire." Hellenized Jews primarily used it amongst themselves. There were no missions to Gentiles. Hellenized Jews who were separated from their Temple practices because they lived in Gentile lands still made pilgrimages to Jerusalem as the Torah commanded. And there was one pilgrimage that changed everything and that was the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost ca. AD 32) when the Holy Spirit of Promise arrived, and the era of the New Covenant began.

 

[synergy]

Jesus did the same thing. However, both Jesus and Saul as well as the other Jewish Christians whose epistles are in our canon were all obedient to the Torah. What you say Saul was against was anything and anyone who elevated traditions over the Torah, but as I said, when the Holy Spirit arrived and Jews were being saved and born again by the thousands, all the Jews who became Christian in time understood that their experiences were the beginning of a new era that brought completion to their Judaism.
And let's not forget that the Gentiles Saul was sent to were proselytes and God-Fearers, not uncircumcised. non-covenant, idol-worshiping Roman, Barbarian, or Greek Gentiles. For it was these proselytes and God-Fearers that were present in synagogue and heard all the testimony and witness of Jews who were born again and in receiving their Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the completion of their Judaism.

You obviously never read Gal 6:12-13.
Paul is definitely not writing to Proselytes when he wrote the following:

12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

So it's Judaizers who wanted the Galatian Gentiles to be circumcised. Why would Proselytes need to be re-circumcised? You make no sense. That proves that you are way off in your understanding of Paul and the Gospel. Paul always annihilates any thought of Judaizer Supremacy.

Understand that God chose Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) to whom a covenant was made and as a chosen vessel he brought in an inheritance to all his offspring (Gen. 17:7.)
Israel is God's Chosen.
Israel is God's Elect.
Israel is God's Church and Bride and are also His saints, a peculiar people, and through Christ are a people separated unto God unto salvation.
When the LXX was completed, it wasn't used to "spread Christianity throughout the Empire."

It was the Apostles who first used the LXX to spread Christianity across the Empire. They overwhelming quoted from the LXX to write the NT. Your favorite Apostle Paul used it extensively to quote from and to write His epistles. Jewish OT text took a back seat in the formation of the NT.

Hellenized Jews primarily used it amongst themselves. There were no missions to Gentiles. Hellenized Jews who were separated from their Temple practices because they lived in Gentile lands still made pilgrimages to Jerusalem as the Torah commanded. And there was one pilgrimage that changed everything and that was the day of the Feast of Harvest (Pentecost ca. AD 32) when the Holy Spirit of Promise arrived, and the era of the New Covenant began.

Hellenized Jews used the LXX to fact check Paul's assertions about Christ. The Bereans did exactly that and once convinced of Christ they in turn used the LXX to spread what they learned from Paul about Christ. Wherever you turn, your favorite Apostle Paul is in your face. You must have nightmares about Paul.

 

[civic]

You trusting in the flesh also

you are not trusting in the spirit and truth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

this flesh cannot enter eden paradise

There will be no "Eden paradise." But there will be the Promised Land and the kingdom of heaven and New Jerusalem that comes down from out of heaven.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Gentiles are included in the Covenant Promises. Isa 42,46

You are trusting in the flesh.

Judgment in this instance is the blessings of the covenant

John 9:39

39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

cp Isa 42:1,6-7

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Oh yes, to bring JUDGMENT - NOT GRACE - to the Gentiles.
There is no covenant in Isaiah 42.
Verse 6 says that "the righteous" are the ones who have covenant "of the (Jewish) people," and THEY are to be a light to the Gentiles. But there is no covenant here in Isaiah 42.

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham. He and Sarah had Hebrew children and none of them were non-Hebrew (Gentile.)

 

[jeremiah1five]

You obviously never read Gal 6:12-13.
Paul is definitely not writing to Proselytes when he wrote the following:

12 As many as desire to make a good showing in the flesh, these would compel you to be circumcised, only that they may not suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

No, but he could have said this about the uncircumcised and devout God-Fearers.

So it's Judaizers who wanted the Galatian Gentiles to be circumcised. Why would Proselytes need to be re-circumcised? You make no sense. That proves that you are way off in your understanding of Paul and the Gospel. Paul always annihilates any thought of Judaizer Supremacy.

God-Fearers.

It was the Apostles who first used the LXX to spread Christianity across the Empire. They overwhelming quoted from the LXX to write the NT. Your favorite Apostle Paul used it extensively to quote from and to write His epistles. Jewish OT text took a back seat in the formation of the NT.

Hellenized Jews used the LXX to fact check Paul's assertions about Christ. The Bereans did exactly that and once convinced of Christ they in turn used the LXX to spread what they learned from Paul about Christ. Wherever you turn, your favorite Apostle Paul is in your face. You must have nightmares about Paul.

 

[synergy]

No,

No what? That you refuse to believe scripture?

but he could have said this about the uncircumcised and devout God-Fearers.

Guess what? He did. And he even addressed entire congregations as former Gentiles such as the Ephesians. Read Eph 2:11-13.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

The blood of Christ is what brings us near to Christ.

God-Fearer.

An entire Congregation of Gentile God-Fearers.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No what? That you refuse to believe scripture?

Guess what? He did. And he even addressed entire congregations as former Gentiles such as the Ephesians. Read Eph 2:11-13.

You read into Scripture things that are not there. "Entire congregations"? There were only a handful of Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers that became born again. The regular on-the-street Gentiles hated the Jews and had nothing to do with them. If anyone told these pagans anything about Jesus, they would have rejected Israel's King for their Caesar.

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

The blood of Christ is what brings us near to Christ.

An entire Congregation of Gentile God-Fearers.

Entire congregations? That's phunny.

These Gentiles were idol-worshipers who trusted in Zeus and Jupiter and Diana. There were no "entire congregations." You read into Scripture things that are NOT there.

 

[synergy]

You read into Scripture things that are not there. "Entire congregations"? There were only a handful of Gentile proselytes and Gentile God-Fearers that became born again. The regular on-the-street Gentiles hated the Jews and had nothing to do with them. If anyone told these pagans anything about Jesus, they would have rejected Israel's King for their Caesar.

Your comments fly in the face of Eph 2:11-13. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Entire congregations? That's phunny.

I would suggest that you do not scoff at Eph 2:11-13.

These Gentiles were idol-worshipers who trusted in Zeus and Jupiter and Diana. There were no "entire congregations." You read into Scripture things that are NOT there.

That's what they were before they were "brought near by the blood of Christ". You would understand that if you did read Eph 2:11-13 and you do understand English.

 

[koberstein]

Your comments fly in the face of Eph 2:11-13. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I would suggest that you do not scoff at Eph 2:11-13.

That's what they were before they were "brought near by the blood of Christ". You would understand that if you did read Eph 2:11-13 and you do understand Emglish.

Let's play nice!

 

[brightfame52]

you are not trusting in the spirit and truth.

If you agree with that poster, you also trusting in the flesh, which Im not surprised

 

[brightfame52]

Oh yes, to bring JUDGMENT - NOT GRACE - to the Gentiles.
There is no covenant in Isaiah 42.
Verse 6 says that "the righteous" are the ones who have covenant "of the (Jewish) people," and THEY are to be a light to the Gentiles. But there is no covenant here in Isaiah 42.

Gentiles do not come from the loins of Abraham. He and Sarah had Hebrew children and none of them were non-Hebrew (Gentile.)

You cant stop trusting in the flesh

 

[civic]

If you agree with that poster, you also trusting in the flesh, which Im not surprised

not at all you are projecting- its your flesh at work with the text.

 

[synergy]

Let's play nice!

Sorry. It's frustrating when people do not read scripture, in plain English, even though it's placed right there in their faces. I'll simmer down.

 

[koberstein]

Sorry. It's frustrating when people do not read scripture, in plain English, even though it's placed right there in their faces. I'll simmer down.

I know I feel the same way. Been down that road. I'm trying to turn down my chutzpah also. Thanks for the good conversation we had yesterday.

 

[synergy]

Ok I will do that.

Here's an excellent educational and historical presentation of the Septuagint by Prof James Aitken:

 

[john]

Scripture please.
True born of God Christians always come with Scripture.
It's either chapter and verse or it's chatter or worse.

2nd Corinthians 5:17 john 3:3 anything else?