Just because a gentile becomes Born-Again......

[synergy]

Thanks for that info. I think I already knew that, but wasn't sure. I believe most if not all Baptists believe the OSAS. I think most Calvinist believe that also.

Calvinists believe in the Preservation of the Elect.

Baptist believe in the Preservation of the Saved.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Eden is not on this earth... we lost our home . ...


think about this....

There was no reason for God to provide a 'different or second land'... He declared His creation Good.

He did not change course because of the fall or need to find us a different land.

There is no further 'creation of a promised land' ..

What there is , is the fall... and His promise to restore us ... and by that to Undo the fall.

1 IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen. 1:1.

After God created the heaven and the earth, He continued creating many other things on and from the earth.

All one need do is read what follows.

 

[koberstein]

Calvinists believe in the Preservation of the Elect.

Baptist believe in the Preservation of the Saved.

Sounds like a play on words.

 

[TomL]

God does not violate His Word even though you teach that He does. You make God out to be a liar.
Here is what God says about Abram the Hebrew and the covenant that bears his name.
God says that His covenant with Abram the Hebrew is between Himself, Abraham, and Abraham's seed, or those that through offspring "come out of thee" (Abraham and Sarah), and non-Hebrews do not come "out of" a Hebrew man and his cousin, a Hebrew woman. Quite impossible. So, Gentiles do not come "out of" Abraham and Sarah who were both descendants of Eber and a people, thanks to Salah, separated unto God.

Now, here is something God said through the prophet Isaiah:

1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,
And he that formed thee, O Israel,
Fear not: for I have redeemed thee,
I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.
2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee;
And through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee:
When thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned;
Neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.
3 For I am the LORD thy God,
The Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour:
Isaiah 43:1–3.

The only people God redeemed is Israel. Gentiles (non-Hebrews) have not been called by God nor have anyone, but Israel been redeemed. God declares Himself the Holy One of Israel, NOT the Holy One of Gentiles. God's covenants are with Abraham and his seed, Hebrews that "come out of thee" as declared in the covenant that bears his name found in Genesis 15 and 17.
Stop making God out to be a liar, which is what you do when you say "Gentiles (non-Hebrews) are part of the Abrahamic Covenant."
They are not. Never have been and never will be.

Ephesians 2:12–20 (ESV) — 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

looks like the gentiles were no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

 

[TomL]

You are wrong on so many counts. You must be reading from a 'fake' Bible. My Messianic Bible says differently.

Does it rip the book of Ephesians from its content?

Ephesians 2:11–19 (CJB) — 11 Therefore, remember your former state: you Gentiles by birth—called the Uncircumcised by those who, merely because of an operation on their flesh, are called the Circumcised—12 at that time had no Messiah. You were estranged from the national life of Isra’el. You were foreigners to the covenants embodying God’s promise. You were in this world without hope and without God. 13 But now, you who were once far off have been brought near through the shedding of the Messiah’s blood. 14 For he himself is our shalom—he has made us both one and has broken down the m’chitzah which divided us 15 by destroying in his own body the enmity occasioned by the Torah, with its commands set forth in the form of ordinances. He did this in order to create in union with himself from the two groups a single new humanity and thus make shalom, 16 and in order to reconcile to God both in a single body by being executed on a stake as a criminal and thus in himself killing that enmity. 17 Also, when he came, he announced as Good News shalom to you far off and shalom to those nearby,18 news that through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then, you are no longer foreigners and strangers. On the contrary, you are fellow-citizens with God’s people and members of God’s family.

CJB = complete Jewish bible

 

[jeremiah1five]

Paul does not agree with you,..

Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to ALL the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us ALL.

"All". all who are born again. = also.

This means that the Born again are "according to the Promise".

And that means that Deut 8:18 is for the Child of God,.... for example.

You are missing what Saul is saying. Read further. He is talking about those that are of the seed of Abraham:

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Rom. 4:17–18.

In other words, he's talking to Jewish Christians at Rome who are smack dab right in the middle of a New Covenant, a New Covenant that not all understand now that their Messiah had come and gone, and not only that, but there's also the Holy Spirit of Promise that needs to be understood in light of the existing covenants and those covenants are the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants. Saul says roughly the same thing to Jewish Christians in the Galatian region who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now that they are born again and have experienced the Holy Spirit of Promise and the effect of Messiah Jesus had upon the covenants:
(Now pay attention)

23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [meaning the Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [Jews] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [Jews] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye [Jews STILL] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:22–29.

The only people that are "heirs according to the promise" are the Jews. Jesus dealt with one of His brethren who came to Him and asked how he could inherit eternal life. Look at Jesus' response to him::

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 10:25–28.

First, Jesus directs him to God's Torah.
Then, Jesus instructs the man to obey the Torah and he shall live.

So, for those Gentiles that wrongly believe God's Torah is "abolished" or "obsolete" how will you inherit eternal life by obeying God's Torah, a Torah you Gentiles say has been "abolished" or "obsolete?"
By dismissing and disobeying the Torah Christ says you won't have eternal life. And Christ says this many times in the gospels.
So, do you believe your Gentile commentaries and theology books,
or do you believe God and His Christ?

 

[jeremiah1five]

The Septuagint became immediately the Bible of the Early Church until Paul's Epistles were added to it. Therefore, from the earliest times, all Christians had access to the wealth of information that the Septuagint contained. The Hellenized Jews did not hoard their knowledge like you would do. Stop projecting your hoarding personality on how the Early Church handled the Septuagint.

The only people that had access to the Hebrew Scriptures, whether in Hebrew or Greek, were the Jews.
Gentiles were enemies of Israel and there was a middle wall partition that kept them separate as ordered by God.
Gentiles knew nothing of Israel's history, who was Abraham, or Moses, or what the prophets said and wrote. Gentiles knew nothing of Hebrew/Jewish history, their culture, their religion and its practices, and were oblivious to anything having to do with the Jews.
How the early JEWISH Church, the Church Christ promised to build "handled" their Scriptures is not important to me on this question.
What IS important is what the Lord tells me is truth according to the Scripture I handle in my life today.

 

[synergy]

You are missing what Saul is saying. Read further. He is talking about those that are of the seed of Abraham:

18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations; according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. Rom. 4:17–18.

In other words, he's talking to Jewish Christians at Rome who are smack dab right in the middle of a New Covenant, a New Covenant that not all understand now that their Messiah had come and gone, and not only that, but there's also the Holy Spirit of Promise that needs to be understood in light of the existing covenants and those covenants are the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants. Saul says roughly the same thing to Jewish Christians in the Galatian region who were concerned about their standing in the Abrahamic Covenant now that they are born again and have experienced the Holy Spirit of Promise and the effect of Messiah Jesus had upon the covenants:
(Now pay attention)

23 But before faith came, we [Jews] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [meaning the Jews] schoolmaster to bring us [Jews] unto Christ, that we [Jews] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [Jews] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [Jews] are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [Jews] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [Jews] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [Jews] be Christ’s, then are ye [Jews STILL] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Gal. 3:22–29.

The only people that are "heirs according to the promise" are the Jews. Jesus dealt with one of His brethren who came to Him and asked how he could inherit eternal life. Look at Jesus' response to him::

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
Lk 10:25–28.

First, Jesus directs him to God's Torah.
Then, Jesus instructs the man to obey the Torah and he shall live.

So, for those Gentiles that wrongly believe God's Torah is "abolished" or "obsolete" how will you inherit eternal life by obeying God's Torah, a Torah you Gentiles say has been "abolished" or "obsolete?"
By dismissing and disobeying the Torah Christ says you won't have eternal life. And Christ says this many times in the gospels.
So, do you believe your Gentile commentaries and theology books,
or do you believe God and His Christ?

Read Gal 5:2 and Gal 6:13 and ask yourself why would your imaginary Jews and Proselytes need to be recircumcized? Was the operation not done right the first time?

2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing

13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

Paul is warning Gentiles against Judaizers like you. In your case, you are judaizing Ethnic Cleansing.

 

[Behold]

You are missing what Saul is saying. Read further. He is talking about those that are of the seed of Abraham:

Spiritual Seed.

"Abraham is the Father of all who BELIEVE"..

""""Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us ALL".

 

[synergy]

The only people that had access to the Hebrew Scriptures, whether in Hebrew or Greek, were the Jews.

which (the Septuagint) immediately became an integral part of the Early Christian Church from the get go.

Gentiles were enemies of Israel and there was a middle wall partition that kept them separate as ordered by God.

Wrong. Hellenized Jews immediately became fellow co-sharers of the New Covenant (Eucharist) upon their conversion with Gentile Christians. Stop projecting your hostile personality on them.

Gentiles knew nothing of Israel's history, who was Abraham, or Moses, or what the prophets said and wrote. Gentiles knew nothing of Hebrew/Jewish history, their culture, their religion and its practices, and were oblivious to anything having to do with the Jews.

They were educated by the converted Hellenized Jews who were more than willing to share their knowledge of the Septuagint with converted Gentiles. Stop projecting your hoarding personality on them.

How the early JEWISH Church, the Church Christ promised to build "handled" their Scriptures is not important to me on this question.
What IS important is what the Lord tells me is truth according to the Scripture I handle in my life today.

The OT is a historical book, whether Hebrew or Greek. Your disdain for history explains why you have such disdain for the Septuagint.

 

[synergy]

Sounds like a play on words.

The Calvinists have overloaded the word "Elect" with multiple non-Biblical definitions.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Notice he said "in the Jews' religion". He did not say "in your former religion". It was the Jew's religion, not your former religion. That clearly shows that Paul is addressing Gentiles.

Paul is telling Gentiles not to fall for Judaizers, like you. It's the same thing this exact moment. We Gentiles should never fall for words coming from Ethnic Cleansing Judaizers like you.

You are so infected by your Judaizing Lust for Ethnic Cleansing that you cannot see what Paul is really warning everyone about in Galatians. Paul is strongly warning Gentiles not to fall for Judaizers, like you. It's the same thing this exact moment. We Gentiles should never fall for Ethnic Cleansing words being spewed out from Ethnic Cleansing Judaizers like you.

I posted the Scripture. The Scripture is the Word of God.
If God says He is going to give the Promised Land to the Jews and cleanse it of ALL Gentiles, then that's what it says. I accept it. I don't add to it or subtract from it. I don't change it to suit my understanding but bring my understanding in line with God's Word. And if God says He's going to give the Jews the land He promised them then that's what He's going to do. If He also says He's going to cleanse that land of all Gentiles, then I don't accuse God of ethnic cleansing even though that's what He's going to do. He is God. He can do whatever He wants, and no man can say, "what are you doing?" No man has any authority to second guess God. But in your arrogance and rebellion you do accuse God of ethnic cleansing and try to find fault with Him. You reject His Torah and practice witchcraft. You try to claim Jesus as your Lord, but you don't do what He commands. You remind me of a certain group:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mt 7:21–23.

You work iniquity and practice witchcraft. I've read your comments. I've seen your heart. Your heart is not right with God. Just as Peter told Simon, "For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity" and unless you repent you shall likewise perish.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:36–37.

God will give the Jews the Land He's Promised them, and He will cleanse the land of ALL Gentiles, ALL non-Jews.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations
Which came against Jerusalem
Shall even go up from year to year
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
And to keep the feast of tabernacles. (the Law.)
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up
Of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
Even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, ehat have no rain;
There shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen
That come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt,
And the punishment of all nations
That come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses,
HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD;
And the pots in the LORD’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
And all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
Zech. 14:16–21.

Israel shall have the land promised her of God. And God shall cleanse the land of ALL Gentiles, and guess where all the Gentiles will live? They will live in the four corners of the earth. This means everywhere else except in the Land of the Jews, the land of Israel.



I think I would be more concerned not that God Himself has cleansed the Promised Land of ALL Gentiles, but that what happens to Gentiles who live at the four corners of the earth.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.

The Jews, the Chosen people of God, Abraham and his descendants will all live in the land God promised to Abraham and his seed. And who will be living outside of the Promised Land where the Jews will dwell n safety?

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:14–15.

And people that practice witchcraft. I'm sure they will be there, too. But I would be derelict in my call of the Lord and ministry to His Glorious Name if I don't end it here and say the following:

Repent.

 

[e v e]

1 IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen. 1:1.

After God created the heaven and the earth, He continued creating many other things on and from the earth.

All one need do is read what follows.

but not this one...

which land is the point...
the point is not whether He created His...

its the context...
before the fall or after..

and we are in the after theme = Death

this is why prophets say this earth will only be fit for rats and moles..

now, why logically would God end this earth, as he says he will in prophets..
and why will it pass, if He had created this one and declared it good?

answer is: this is not His... He did not declare this one good...


our land in the other reality... Eden paradise.

 

[john]

I posted the Scripture. The Scripture is the Word of God.
If God says He is going to give the Promised Land to the Jews and cleanse it of ALL Gentiles, then that's what it says. I accept it. I don't add to it or subtract from it. I don't change it to suit my understanding but bring my understanding in line with God's Word. And if God says He's going to give the Jews the land He promised them then that's what He's going to do. If He also says He's going to cleanse that land of all Gentiles, then I don't accuse God of ethnic cleansing even though that's what He's going to do. He is God. He can do whatever He wants, and no man can say, "what are you doing?" No man has any authority to second guess God. But in your arrogance and rebellion you do accuse God of ethnic cleansing and try to find fault with Him. You reject His Torah and practice witchcraft. You try to claim Jesus as your Lord, but you don't do what He commands. You remind me of a certain group:

in layman's terms your NUTS . we no longer live under the law when Christ died the vail of temple was tore in half gaining full access. there has been tons of scripture to prove you wrong .

 

[e v e]

The only law which never changed --- regardless all the additions esau made
concerning laws and rituals --- is this..

To return to Him to our Eden paradise....

which is what meeting Christ on the clouds is all about

 

[e v e]

I posted the Scripture. The Scripture is the Word of God.
If God says He is going to give the Promised Land to the Jews and cleanse it of ALL Gentiles, then that's what it says. I accept it. I don't add to it or subtract from it. I don't change it to suit my understanding but bring my understanding in line with God's Word. And if God says He's going to give the Jews the land He promised them then that's what He's going to do. If He also says He's going to cleanse that land of all Gentiles, then I don't accuse God of ethnic cleansing even though that's what He's going to do. He is God. He can do whatever He wants, and no man can say, "what are you doing?" No man has any authority to second guess God. But in your arrogance and rebellion you do accuse God of ethnic cleansing and try to find fault with Him. You reject His Torah and practice witchcraft. You try to claim Jesus as your Lord, but you don't do what He commands. You remind me of a certain group:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mt 7:21–23.

You work iniquity and practice witchcraft. I've read your comments. I've seen your heart. Your heart is not right with God. Just as Peter told Simon, "For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity" and unless you repent you shall likewise perish.

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. Mt 12:36–37.

God will give the Jews the Land He's Promised them, and He will cleanse the land of ALL Gentiles, ALL non-Jews.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations
Which came against Jerusalem
Shall even go up from year to year
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
And to keep the feast of tabernacles. (the Law.)
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up
Of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem
To worship the King, the LORD of hosts,
Even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, ehat have no rain;
There shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen
That come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt,
And the punishment of all nations
That come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses,
HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD;
And the pots in the LORD’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts:
And all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein:
And in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.
Zech. 14:16–21.

Israel shall have the land promised her of God. And God shall cleanse the land of ALL Gentiles, and guess where all the Gentiles will live? They will live in the four corners of the earth. This means everywhere else except in the Land of the Jews, the land of Israel.

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I think I would be more concerned not that God Himself has cleansed the Promised Land of ALL Gentiles, but that what happens to Gentiles who live at the four corners of the earth.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev. 20:7–9.

The Jews, the Chosen people of God, Abraham and his descendants will all live in the land God promised to Abraham and his seed. And who will be living outside of the Promised Land where the Jews will dwell n safety?

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. Rev. 22:14–15.

And people that practice witchcraft. I'm sure they will be there, too. But I would be derelict in my call of the Lord and ministry to His Glorious Name if I don't end it here and say the following:

Repent.

a) israel the country on this earth
b) any place on all of this earth
c) the area of your map marked in red:

none of these listed in red are His promised land to His sons...

His promise is that all His sons will be restored to their Land , Eden Paradise
in the other reality ,
which was stolen.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Ephesians 2:12–20 (ESV) — 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

looks like the gentiles were no longer strangers to the covenants of promise

The mention of "covenant of promise" does not mean Gentiles are now in the Abrahamic Covenant. God Himself says the covenant He made with Abram the Hebrew is also to Abraham's seed (descendants) and Gentiles are not his seed. Saul knew this. Peter knew this. James knew this. John knew this. By becoming Christian as a Gentile does not make them in any shape or form in the Abrahamic Covenant for the LORD Himself says that his covenant with Abraham is also with his seed and any teaching that a Gentile who becomes a Christian is automatically in the Abrahamic Covenant is a heresy from which other false teaching is built upon. IF God wanted Gentiles to be in the Abrahamic Covenant, He would have said so clearly when He made covenant with Abraham in Genesis, and it most likely would have been supported by prophesy in the Hebrew Scripture. But there is no covenant between God and Gentiles in the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Covenant writings do not reveal any God-Gentile covenant at all. Gentiles are joined to Christ, but this does not make them in covenant with Abraham, especially when the covenant mentions no Gentiles and that the covenant with Abraham was also made with Isaac in his time and Jacob in his time, and later a Mosaic Covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel that also is void of Gentile participation. None of the apostles taught a God-Gentile covenant in their writings. None. Not even rabbi Saul taught to violate the Scripture by teaching a God-Gentile covenant inclusion or even as a standalone in any of his letters. Not even John who wrote Revelations of Jesus Christ prophesied any God-Gentile covenant. The prophecy of Revelation has Israel as the focal point in God's dealings with His people. Revelation is a Jewish prophecy not a Gentile one. Everything in this prophecy has Israel at the center of everything that is to be revealed in this 'book.' Gentiles, and nations of Gentiles may be mentioned but the prophecy itself is warning to Israel about things that are to happen to that people before their Lord and Messiah returns. Not one jot or tittle has been fulfilled which means that God still has many things yet to fulfill with regard to Israel that have yet to be fulfilled. Knowing this the teaching that God's Torah is "abolished" or "obsolete" is false teaching because not every jot or tittle has yet to be fulfilled. There are still prophecies in Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc., that need to be fulfilled that is slated to be fulfilled at the end times which is the era we are presently in and heading fast towards. It was Israel's founding as a state in 1948 which began the end-time clock and Israel's complete control of Jerusalem in 1967 that cemented the belief that this world is definitely in the end times and Israel's Messiah's return is even at the door.

 

[TomL]

The mention of "covenant of promise" does not mean Gentiles are now in the Abrahamic Covenant. God Himself says the covenant He made with Abram the Hebrew is also to Abraham's seed (descendants) and Gentiles are not his seed. Saul knew this. Peter knew this. James knew this. John knew this. By becoming Christian as a Gentile does not make them in any shape or form in the Abrahamic Covenant for the LORD Himself says that his covenant with Abraham is also with his seed and any teaching that a Gentile who becomes a Christian is automatically in the Abrahamic Covenant is a heresy from which other false teaching is built upon. IF God wanted Gentiles to be in the Abrahamic Covenant, He would have said so clearly when He made covenant with Abraham in Genesis, and it most likely would have been supported by prophesy in the Hebrew Scripture. But there is no covenant between God and Gentiles in the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Covenant writings do not reveal any God-Gentile covenant at all. Gentiles are joined to Christ, but this does not make them in covenant with Abraham, especially when the covenant mentions no Gentiles and that the covenant with Abraham was also made with Isaac in his time and Jacob in his time, and later a Mosaic Covenant with the children of Jacob/Israel that also is void of Gentile participation. None of the apostles taught a God-Gentile covenant in their writings. None. Not even rabbi Saul taught to violate the Scripture by teaching a God-Gentile covenant inclusion or even as a standalone in any of his letters. Not even John who wrote Revelations of Jesus Christ prophesied any God-Gentile covenant. The prophecy of Revelation has Israel as the focal point in God's dealings with His people. Revelation is a Jewish prophecy not a Gentile one. Everything in this prophecy has Israel at the center of everything that is to be revealed in this 'book.' Gentiles, and nations of Gentiles may be mentioned but the prophecy itself is warning to Israel about things that are to happen to that people before their Lord and Messiah returns. Not one jot or tittle has been fulfilled which means that God still has many things yet to fulfill with regard to Israel that have yet to be fulfilled. Knowing this the teaching that God's Torah is "abolished" or "obsolete" is false teaching because not every jot or tittle has yet to be fulfilled. There are still prophecies in Daniel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, etc., that need to be fulfilled that is slated to be fulfilled at the end times which is the era we are presently in and heading fast towards. It was Israel's founding as a state in 1948 which began the end-time clock and Israel's complete control of Jerusalem in 1967 that cemented the belief that this world is definitely in the end times and Israel's Messiah's return is even at the door.

Sorry you are denying the texts

First the passage states they were strangers to the covenants of promise, then it states they were no longer strangers (to those covenants) in Christ

and

Galatians 3:14–18 (ESV) — 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith. 15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

those promises were not annulled by the law

 

[jeremiah1five]

Read Gal 5:2 and Gal 6:13 and ask yourself why would your imaginary Jews and Proselytes need to be recircumcized? Was the operation not done right the first time?

2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing

13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

Paul is warning Gentiles against Judaizers like you. In your case, you are judaizing Ethnic Cleansing.

No, Saul is warning others about Judaizers who teach one must be circumcised to be saved. But for Jews who become saved they continued in obedience to the Torah and God was well pleased. The correct teaching is that the Law does not save, but once a person is saved outside of the Torah it is the Torah of God that instructs the true born-again Christian - Jew or Gentile - that instructs in righteousness so that a believer may be well pleasing to God for good works:

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim. 3:16–17.

After a person becomes saved the Hebrew Scripture is profitable first and foremost for DOCTRINE, then for reproof, then for correction (of heresy and false teaching such as what Gentiles teach) and for instruction in righteousness so that the born-again believer keep God's Torah which keeps them on the straight and narrow.
But sadly, there are millions of Gentiles that reject God's Torah just as Saul told the Jews in Romans that by rejecting God's Torah, they go about trying to establish THEIR OWN righteousness instead of the righteousness which is of God and His Torah. Without God's Torah a Christian cannot be led of God for God IS the Torah which they have rejected.
Stupid Gentiles.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, (because they've abolished the Law) and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom. 10:2–3.

The righteousness Saul is speaking about is the Torah.
Stupid Gentiles.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Spiritual Seed.

"Abraham is the Father of all who BELIEVE"..

""""Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us ALL".

Abraham is the father of all IN COVENANT that believe, and this is strictly his seed for the covenant is with Abram the Hebrew and his seed which are the Hebrew people. God has NO COVENANT with Gentiles.
None.
Saul wrote to Jewish Christians at Rome. Read it in the correct context of who it was addressed to and come to the knowledge of the truth. In this letter as in all his letters, Saul addresses his letters to Jewish Christians in the various home churches in the named cities that were populated by Jewish Christians. He may 'talk' about uncircumcised Gentiles, or Gentile proselytes or uncircumcised God-Fearers, but Saul is addressing his letters to the original saints of God and Church of God: spiritual and natural Israel.
To believe that Gentiles is the church or bride of Christ is to add to the bible things not there.
God has covenant with Abraham and his seed, not Gentiles.