In Psalms 19:7, the Law of Moses is perfect. Do you agree or disagree?
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praise_yeshua
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For example, in the US we have a clear divisions between the judicial, legislative, and executive branches, so judges don't have the authority to add to or subtract from US law. In the Bible, judges likewise had the authority to make rulings about how to obey the law (Deuteronomy 17:8-13), but they did not have the authority to add to or subtract from it (Deuteronomy 4:2).
So you're actually establishing the authority of Jesus Christ through the law of Moses? How pitiful. Jesus received commandment directly from the Father.
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Christ is the lawgiver. Christ is God's word made flesh, so that is who he is and he is not above himself. The laws that people give are not arbitrary, but are extension of who they are. It would be hypocrisy for someone to hold others to a standard that they don't hold for themselves and to judge others for not meeting a standard that they don't meet. This is why even the king of Israel was still required to obey the Torah.
Seriously? God has the same requirements that He has given to His subjects? So you command God?
David did not obey the law.
Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
notice the statement "not lawful".... So go ahead and explain it away.
praise_yeshua
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In Psalms 19:7, the Law of Moses is perfect. Do you agree or disagree?
No. It isn't perfect. Did the law convert you?
Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarize the law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so the point of the law is to teach us to love.The law didn't teach you to love. In the face of condemnation is where true love is known.
praise_yeshua
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In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarize the law as being about how to love God and our neighbor, so the point of the law is to teach us to love.
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
As I've told you many times now, this is an appeal to the work of Christ. You have never loved your neighbor as yourself. Christ alone did this. When Jesus said "all the law and prophets" hang on this, He is talking about His own efforts in loving humanity as witness throughout the law. HE IS THE FULFILLMENT of the law.
The law is inadequate without its fulfillment. It is incomplete. You still insist that Christ ISN'T ENOUGH in and of HIMSELF.
Straw man.So you're actually establishing the authority of Jesus Christ through the law of Moses?T How pitiful.
The Law of Moses was given by the Father, so there is no disagreement.Jesus received commandment directly from the Father.
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
God way is the way that He expresses His nature through His action and God gave His law to teach us how to walk in His way.Seriously? God has the same requirements that He has given to His subjects?
Straw man.So you command God?
Some of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as when God commanded priests to rest on the Sabbath and commanded priests to make offering on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commandments no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater commandment from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why he defended his disciples as being innocent. This is also why it we are permitted to get a child or an ox out of a ditch on the Sabbath or why babies should still be circumcised on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath and so forth.David did not obey the law.
Luk 6:4 How he went into the house of God, and did take and eat the shewbread, and gave also to them that were with him; which it is not lawful to eat but for the priests alone?
notice the statement "not lawful".... So go ahead and explain it away.
Are we allowed to tell a lie in order to save someone's life? These sorts of dilemmas are why there is debate about which commandments are greater or which is the greatest. Some might consider laws that have the harshest penalty for breaking to be the greatest, or laws that the Israelites were most frequently criticized for breaking to be the greatest, or the law that God specifically said to remember, and so forth.
Some of the Pharisees had reasoned that it is unlawful to work on the Sabbath and that healing is work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath. However, we are also commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves and we would not be doing that if we refused to heal someone who needed our help. No command was intended to be understood a preventing the greatest two commandments from being obeyed, which is why Jesus was not breaking the Sabbath by healing on it.
While David and his men did what was unlawful by eating of the showbread, they were not sinning because the preservation of life is greater, but that does not mean that David did not obey God's law.
So are you denying the truth of Psalms 19:7?No. It isn't perfect.
Indeed.Did the law convert you?
Nowhere does the Bible state that only Christ loved his neighbor as himself, but rather that is your own private doctrine that is contrary to examples in the Bible of people obeying God's commandments. It continues to be absurd to think that God gave commands that He knew that we couldn't obey. If God gave laws that He knew were too difficult for us to obey, then we could rightly place the blame for our failure to obey them on God, but God's word says that His law is not too difficult to obey and I believe it (Deuteronomy 30:11-14). According to Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire law, so it does not refer to something unique that only Jesus did. Nowhere does the Bible state that the law is inadequate without its fulfillment or that it is incomplete, but rather that is your own private doctrine.Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
As I've told you many times now, this is an appeal to the work of Christ. You have never loved your neighbor as yourself. Christ alone did this. When Jesus said "all the law and prophets" hang on this, He is talking about His own efforts in loving humanity as witness throughout the law. HE IS THE FULFILLMENT of the law.
The law is inadequate without its fulfillment. It is incomplete.
Another straw man.You still insist that Christ ISN'T ENOUGH in and of HIMSELF.
praise_yeshua
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Straw man.
I see you don't want to defend what you did.
Have it your way. I know I keep saying that and still continue to converse with you but I'm reaching my limit with your tactics.
I've have no need to defend the things that you've made up about what I've done. Your tactic is to make up things about other people positions and attack what you've made up in lieu of addressing what they've said. My tactic is to deny the things that you've made up about my position while hoping that you will instead address the things that I've said.I see you don't want to defend what you did.
Have it your way. I know I keep saying that and still continue to converse with you but I'm reaching my limit with your tactics.
praise_yeshua
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You said Christ used the authority of the law to teach love. You referenced verses where you claim He appealed to the authority of the law to establish love. What I said was accurate to what you did. Explain me to me how it isn't without using the worn out saying "strawman". Until you start doing this, our conversation is over. Again. Have it your way.I've have no need to defend the things that you've made up about what I've done. Your tactic is to make up things about other people positions and attack what you've made up in lieu of addressing what they've said. My tactic is to deny the things that you've made up about my position while hoping that you will instead address the things that I've said.
God gave both the Mosaic Law and sent Jesus to bless us by showing us how to embody it, so the authority comes from God.You said Christ used the authority of the law to teach love. You referenced verses where you claim He appealed to the authority of the law to establish love. What I said was accurate to what you did. Explain me to me how it isn't without using the worn out saying "strawman". Until you start doing this, our conversation is over. Again. Have it your way.
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