Jesus denied being God

[civic]

False claim

I answered him, and he is not correct neither are you

Ditto

 

[TomL]

The only activity that our brother @TomL mentioned that a Christian Unitarian would not do, is to say or write that Jesus is God.
So my question is

What do you as Trinitarian do, which the Christian Unitarian does not do, that proves that you worship Jesus?

The fact we have the biblical Jesus and Unitarians do not

 

[MTMattie]

So, my friend, when you said "we", did you refer to a specific group of Christians, and not to all Christians?

Well, to me the only ones who count. the Trin ones cause John Doe Christian off the street might not know what relation the Holy Spirit has and why we would talk to Him... OR why HE often does responses on forums through us.

Yes He does.

 

[Peterlag]

And none answered your question it seems. I think they really don't know how to answer it.

This is what I think Christianity is to the trinity folks... I think but I'm not sure which is why I'm asking. I think for them it's about participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's the hymns, chorales, chants, and the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins and moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor.

 

[praise_yeshua]

This is what I think Christianity is to the trinity folks... I think but I'm not sure which is why I'm asking. I think for them it's about participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's the hymns, chorales, chants, and the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins and moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor.

I'm not going to go and try to find this "impossible question" you seem to believe you've asked.

Can you repost or summarize what it is you would like answered?

 

[Runningman]

False claim

I answered him, and he is not correct neither are you

He's correct.

 

[Runningman]

Or tired of answering it to only have it "dismissed" without comment.

What was your answer to his question?

 

[mikesw]

This is what I think Christianity is to the trinity folks... I think but I'm not sure which is why I'm asking. I think for them it's about participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's the hymns, chorales, chants, and the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins and moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor.

It may just be useful being around other Christians and sharing love of Christ with them rather than just locking yourself in a small room with the lights out all week long.

 

[Runningman]

This is what I think Christianity is to the trinity folks... I think but I'm not sure which is why I'm asking. I think for them it's about participating in sacraments such as to pray, praise, and give thanks. It's the hymns, chorales, chants, and the instrumental music. It's not the buildings for worship, the art, the architecture, the kneeling, dipping, dunking, chanting, counting, lighting, confessing our sins and moral and political behavior.

Many Christians try to earn God’s righteousness by being a good person, a good member of their church, a good father or mother, or a good child. Some try by being a good worker, a good student, a wonderful husband or wife, and a good neighbor. Some try by singing more hymns, by running to the altar, by confessing their sins, and by being a law-abiding citizen. Others try by water baptism, the Old Testament Law, the rosary, fasting, giving to their church, and giving to the poor.

That's a highly organized religion and to some people that's their bread and butter, but God doesn't really care about the show of all of that nor is He impressed, but God recognizes the faith one may put behind it. God mostly just cares if we are practicing righteousness, loving Him, seeking Him, trusting Jesus' sacrifice, etc which separates the weeds from the wheat.

There's is still a New Covenant that I believe God wants to remind us about because He doesn't forget about things like that. There is more grace and forgiveness in this New Covenant, but it can be broken on our end which is why it's called a covenant. It's an agreement between a person and God.

 

[civic]

He's correct.

Correction

Incorrect

 

[Peterlag]

That's a highly organized religion and to some people that's their bread and butter, but God doesn't really care about the show of all of that nor is He impressed, but God recognizes the faith one may put behind it. God mostly just cares if we are practicing righteousness, loving Him, seeking Him, trusting Jesus' sacrifice, etc which separates the weeds from the wheat.

There's is still a New Covenant that I believe God wants to remind us about because He doesn't forget about things like that. There is more grace and forgiveness in this New Covenant, but it can be broken on our end which is why it's called a covenant. It's an agreement between a person and God.

I write about this new covenant that's between God and Jesus which I believe is the faith that Jesus had that we call the faith of Jesus Christ...

When it comes to the faith of Jesus Christ, we must understand the relationship Jesus Christ has with God to have this faith. It's beyond just trusting God because of the acceptance of the new established covenant that demands obedience to God’s testimony. Faith is not a leap in the dark, but a leap through the dark into the light. It's the intelligent acceptance of the report of a reliable witness that would persuade one to accept something as the truth in the reliability of the testimony. The faith of Jesus Christ is the relationship existing between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them. To recognize and acknowledge the relationship God has entered into with Christ, we must first understand that God is the originator of the covenant relationship, and God is the one who brings into being things that did not previously exist. This is His oath, His covenant, and He can be relied on to keep His part of the contract because He guarantees it, and this is His truth.

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son who is expressing the acknowledgment of his Father’s promises and power. As I stated earlier, the faith of Jesus Christ is the relationship existing between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them. The faith Christ has is his faith because of his acknowledgment and acceptance of his Father’s new covenant. Thus, the “gospel of Christ” is born. This faith Jesus Christ has is solid because it's the trust Jesus Christ has with God, who brought him into this special relationship that created the bond of the new covenant between them. We can tap into this faith by our believing and walk and live within the power of the Scriptures because we are connected to the faith of Jesus Christ. It's not our believing that makes us righteous, but the faith of Jesus Christ, whereby we not only have our standing, but also have access to the high and holy privilege that comes with that spiritual standing.

 

[Peterlag]

So you don't go to Jesus in prayer? We pray to Jesus.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I seem to remember asking you this before, you ignored it.

Good list you have going there. Add #7.

#7 false chrisitan unitarians do not pray to Jesus.

I'm locked into a fellowship and prayer with Jesus.

 

[Peterlag]

I'm not going to go and try to find this "impossible question" you seem to believe you've asked.

Can you repost or summarize what it is you would like answered?

What is a religion all about if you think Jesus is God and therefore do not know who Jesus is? You can't have a relationship with him if you think he's God. Is it just trying to be good to get God to like you? Love everyone because you believe that's Christian? What?

 

[Runningman]

I'm locked into a fellowship and prayer with Jesus.

I write about this new covenant that's between God and Jesus which I believe is the faith that Jesus had that we call the faith of Jesus Christ...

When it comes to the faith of Jesus Christ, we must understand the relationship Jesus Christ has with God to have this faith. It's beyond just trusting God because of the acceptance of the new established covenant that demands obedience to God’s testimony. Faith is not a leap in the dark, but a leap through the dark into the light. It's the intelligent acceptance of the report of a reliable witness that would persuade one to accept something as the truth in the reliability of the testimony. The faith of Jesus Christ is the relationship existing between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them. To recognize and acknowledge the relationship God has entered into with Christ, we must first understand that God is the originator of the covenant relationship, and God is the one who brings into being things that did not previously exist. This is His oath, His covenant, and He can be relied on to keep His part of the contract because He guarantees it, and this is His truth.

Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son who is expressing the acknowledgment of his Father’s promises and power. As I stated earlier, the faith of Jesus Christ is the relationship existing between God and Christ in the bond of the covenant between them. The faith Christ has is his faith because of his acknowledgment and acceptance of his Father’s new covenant. Thus, the “gospel of Christ” is born. This faith Jesus Christ has is solid because it's the trust Jesus Christ has with God, who brought him into this special relationship that created the bond of the new covenant between them. We can tap into this faith by our believing and walk and live within the power of the Scriptures because we are connected to the faith of Jesus Christ. It's not our believing that makes us righteous, but the faith of Jesus Christ, whereby we not only have our standing, but also have access to the high and holy privilege that comes with that spiritual standing.

Yes, pretty much, but one of the main ideas they had in Jesus' church was not that Jesus is some far, out-of-reach example they could never attain, but rather what they believed they could be, or at least gradually transform into.

They fully believed in doing the kind of miracles Jesus did, receiving the same anointing, empowerment, authority, resurrection, being a brother to Jesus, a friend, and even believed in suffering like Jesus. They legit wanted to follow identically in his footsteps, fully believing that they would not only reign with him, but also share the same throne and inheritance. It's all scriptural too.

Yes, that's what it really means to live the Christian lifestyle. I believe if we simply model our life after Jesus' life, believe in the same God, worship the same God, and pray to the same God, then we can't go wrong.

It's the Jesus types they don't like. Remember, if they hated him, they'll hate you.

Matt 10 (KJV)
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[civic]

Yes, pretty much, but one of the main ideas they had in Jesus' church was not that Jesus is some far, out-of-reach example they could never attain, but rather what they believed they could be, or at least gradually transform into.

They fully believed in doing the kind of miracles Jesus did, receiving the same anointing, empowerment, authority, resurrection, being a brother to Jesus, a friend, and even believed in suffering like Jesus. They legit wanted to follow identically in his footsteps, fully believing that they would not only reign with him, but also share the same throne and inheritance. It's all scriptural too.

Yes, that's what it really means to live the Christian lifestyle. I believe if we simply model our life after Jesus' life, believe in the same God, worship the same God, and pray to the same God, then we can't go wrong.

It's the Jesus types they don't like. Remember, if they hated him, they'll hate you.

Matt 10 (KJV)
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Sound like ye shall be as gods doctrine. The serpents lie

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, pretty much, but one of the main ideas they had in Jesus' church was not that Jesus is some far, out-of-reach example they could never attain, but rather what they believed they could be, or at least gradually transform into.

They fully believed in doing the kind of miracles Jesus did, receiving the same anointing, empowerment, authority, resurrection, being a brother to Jesus, a friend, and even believed in suffering like Jesus. They legit wanted to follow identically in his footsteps, fully believing that they would not only reign with him, but also share the same throne and inheritance. It's all scriptural too.

Yes, that's what it really means to live the Christian lifestyle. I believe if we simply model our life after Jesus' life, believe in the same God, worship the same God, and pray to the same God, then we can't go wrong.

It's the Jesus types they don't like. Remember, if they hated him, they'll hate you.

Matt 10 (KJV)
40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

 

[Runningman]

Sound like ye shall be as gods doctrine. The serpents lie

The serpent’s lie was they wouldn’t die. God said they had become as the gods.

 

[mikesw]

Sound like ye shall be as gods doctrine. The serpents lie

Wow. These two unitarians have started to expose the weird doctrines. This was one of the big concerns I anticipated for people that deny the deity of Christ, especially in the face of all the verses that show it. They both share this idea of becoming like Jesus in his incarnation, as if everyone just reads what Jesus did and then they can do all that as part of daily living -- or the end goal of a daily lifestyle.
I've basic had to back off the WWJD concept (which I suppose I never fully embraced) since I can do next to nothing of what Jesus did. But I can seek to follow the love of God and love of one's neighbor
Purple texted edited in a bit late

 

[civic]

Wow. These two unitarians have started to expose the weird doctrines. They both share this idea of becoming like Jesus in his incarnation, as if everyone just reads what Jesus did and then they can do all that as part of daily living -- or the end goal of a daily lifestyle.
I've basic had to back off the WWJD concept (which I suppose I never fully embraced) since I can do next to nothing of what Jesus did. But I can seek to follow the love of God and love of one's neighbor

The Mormons believe they become gods in the afterlife but these do in this life.

 

[Runningman]

I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.

Catholicism is a little better than Protestantism in my honest assessment, but yes, they are good guides for what not to do or believe on a great number of things. One of them is that original sin is the natural state of every man, which is not how people are born and neither was Jesus. Let’s not forget Jesus believed people could go and sin no more and he said that people.

And, of course, you’re absolutely correct. Belief in what Jesus said to believe is the fastest to walk in the same spirit he walks in. He’s the vine and his God is the vine keeper. We are the branches. It doesn’t get much clearer than that picture Jesus gave us.