Jesus denied being God

[MTMattie]

It blows my mind everyday on how there can be so many who are 100 percent wrong and yet believe they are 100 percent right.

In Genesis we are told from the CJB

26 Then God said, “Let us make humankind in our image, in the likeness of ourselves; and let them rule over the fish in the sea, the birds in the air, the animals, and over all the earth, and over every crawling creature that crawls on the earth.”

27 So God created humankind in his own image;
in the image of God he created him:
male and female he created them.

Septuagint

26 And God said, Let us make man according to our image and likeness, and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the flying creatures of heaven, and over the cattle and all the earth, and over all the reptiles that creep on the earth.
27 And God made man, according to the image of God he made him, male and female he made them.

While these verses can usher in another 1000 replies on the meaning of US and Them....

Why don't you tie these in with tripartite man?

Say what???????

 

[TomL]

Boy just when I was really starting to like you and then you had to go a head and say the Catholics have something right. Now I don't know what to do. Maybe I will just start myself on fire and throw myself out in front of a Mack Truck.

Tell one thing the Catholics ever got correct.

Trinity
Deity of Christ
The hypostatic union

 

[Runningman]

you really don't know your bible at all and twist scripture. You cannot tel the difference between Gods words and the devils. That say a lot about your doctrines and beliefs. You twist Gods word just lie the devil did in the garden and with Jesus in the wilderness.

Here let me help you out what the devil said, the serpent,

Genesis 3:4
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

And here: In John 10, Jesus cites Psalm 82:6 and repeats the statement that “you are gods.”

you think you can become like a god here on this earth. yikes.

hope this helps !!!

This is bad. You said the serpents lie was they would be as the gods and then God said they are as the gods. Have you ever read Genesis? I showed you the chapter.

The serpent’s lie:

Genesis 3​

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:​

God’s truth:

Genesis 3​

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:​

 

[civic]

This is bad. You said the serpents lie was they would be as the gods and then God said they are as the gods. Have you ever read Genesis? I showed you the chapter.

nope you twisted my words just like you did the serpents lie.

see here

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[Runningman]

nope you twisted my words just like you did the serpents lie.

You've been shown the truth twice now. You were wrong. Have some class and own it.

 

[civic]

You've been shown the truth twice now. You were wrong. Have some class and own it.

no I quoted the verse I was talking about when the serpent decevied them in the garden


Genesis 3:4
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

own up to it since you misrepresented me below

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[Runningman]

no I quoted the verse I was talking about when the serpent decevied them in the garden

own up to it

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Incredible. Stunning, invincible, ignorance.

Read it again my dear civic:

The serpent’s lie:

Genesis 3
4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

God’s truth:

Genesis 3
22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

We have you on record contradicting Scripture. You have now tripled-down on the error after having come to the knowledge of the truth. Now it becomes more grave than you simply making a mistake and fixing it. You are, in effect, referring to God as the serpent.

When you find yourself in a hole, sometimes it's best to stop digging.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm locked into a fellowship and prayer with Jesus.

Good. Does Jesus answer your prayers or does someone else?

 

[praise_yeshua]

What is a religion all about if you think Jesus is God and therefore do not know who Jesus is?

Do the Scriptures support your position? You must rightfully recognize that many have treated Jesus as God in the Scriptures. Were they wrong? It is rather obvious that God never condemned such. In fact, it is clear that Jesus has a name which is above every name. Whether it be things in earth or things IN HEAVEN.

You can't have a relationship with him if you think he's God.

Sure I can. I do. God has been nothing but loving to me. What do you expect God to do to me?

Is it just trying to be good to get God to like you? Love everyone because you believe that's Christian? What?

I believe God is too smart to force the unwilling to love Him. I also believe God is too smart to accept compliance to "commandments" as being meaningful. Many people keep commandments they have no desire to keep.

I believe God is too smart to accept meaningless worship

 

[praise_yeshua]

What was your answer to his question?

I just answered him. Feel free to engage my response.

 

[Runningman]

Do the Scriptures support your position? You must rightfully recognize that many have treated Jesus as God in the Scriptures. Were they wrong? It is rather obvious that God never condemned such. In fact, it is clear that Jesus has a name which is above every name. Whether it be things in earth or things IN HEAVEN.

Scripture supports @Peterlag 's position on the matter of who God is. Trinitarianism isn't Biblical. I am not even trying to argue with you. It isn't described or explained in the Bible.

Sure I can. I do. God has been nothing but loving to me. What do you expect God to do to me?

Yes God loves you, but it's more like that God is tolerating you and waiting for you to come to repentance. He loves and tolerates a lot of people and provides for everyone whether they be just or unjust. Those who are confused and disobedient aren't a threat to Him and His sovereignty. You'll be given the truth like you have already in this thread and allowed to either accept it or reject it. However, God will judge you for your unreptenant idolatry. Deifying humans, animals, birds, statues, false gods, etc is idolatry in Scripture.

I believe God is too smart to force the unwilling to love Him. I also believe God is too smart to accept compliance to "commandments" as being meaningful. Many people keep commandments they have no desire to keep.

And many people don't keep commandments they are not aware of. The result doesn't change based on knowledge, but mercy may be withdrawn when someone willingly, knowingly, sins against God and doesn't repent.

I believe God is too smart to accept meaningless worship

Bodily prostration is meaningless worship. This is why Jesus taught that the true worshippers with worship the Father in spirit and truth.

 

[civic]

Bodily prostration is meaningless worship. This is why Jesus taught that the true worshippers with worship the Father in spirit and truth.

That's funny because that's exactly what believers and angels do before the throne of God in heaven- worship- prostrate.

next fallacy

Revelation 3:9 V-FIA-3P
GRK: ἥξουσιν καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιον τῶν
NAS: them come and bow down at your feet,
KJV: come and worship before thy
INT: they should come and should worship before the

Revelation 4:10 V-FIA-3P
GRK: θρόνου καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν τῷ ζῶντι
NAS: on the throne, and will worship Him who lives
KJV: and worship him that liveth
INT: throne and they worship him who lives

Revelation 5:14 V-AIA-3P
GRK: ἔπεσαν καὶ προσεκύνησαν ζῶντι εἰς
NAS: fell down and worshiped.
KJV: and worshipped him that liveth
INT: fell down and worshipped him who lives for

Revelation 7:11 V-AIA-3P
GRK: αὐτῶν καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: before the throne and worshiped God,
KJV: faces, and worshipped God,
INT: of them and worshipped God

Revelation 11:1 V-PPA-AMP
GRK: καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας ἐν αὐτῷ
NAS: and those who worship in it.
KJV: and them that worship therein.
INT: and those who worship in it

Revelation 11:16 V-AIA-3P
GRK: αὐτῶν καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: fell on their faces and worshiped God,
KJV: faces, and worshipped God,
INT: of them and worshipped God

Revelation 15:4 V-FIA-3P
GRK: ἥξουσιν καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιόν σου
NAS: WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE
KJV: shall come and worship before thee;
INT: will come and worship before you

Revelation 19:4 V-AIA-3P
GRK: ζῷα καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: fell down and worshiped God
KJV: fell down and worshipped God that sat
INT: living creatures and worshipped God

Revelation 19:10 V-ANA
GRK: ποδῶν αὐτοῦ προσκυνῆσαι αὐτῷ καὶ
NAS: at his feet to worship him. But he said
KJV: his feet to worship him. And
INT: feet of him to worship to him And

Revelation 19:10 V-AMA-2S
GRK: τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον ἡ γὰρ
NAS: of Jesus; worship God.
KJV: of Jesus: worship God:
INT: God worship the indeed

Revelation 19:20 V-PPA-AMP
GRK: καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας τῇ εἰκόνι
NAS: and those who worshiped his image;
KJV: and them that worshipped his
INT: and those who worship the image

Revelation 20:4 V-AIA-3P
GRK: οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν τὸ θηρίον
NAS: and those who had not worshiped the beast
KJV: had not worshipped the beast, neither
INT: those who not did worship the beast

Revelation 22:8 V-ANA
GRK: ἔβλεψα ἔπεσα προσκυνῆσαι ἔμπροσθεν τῶν
NAS: I fell down to worship at the feet
KJV: I fell down to worship before
INT: saw I fell down to worship before the

Revelation 22:9 V-AMA-2S
GRK: τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον
NAS: of this book. Worship God.
KJV: of this book: worship God.
INT: God worship

 

[Runningman]

That's funny because that's exactly what believers and angels do before the throne of God in heaven- worship- prostrate.

next fallacy

So Jesus, the angels, the elders, etc had a heart far from the Father when they bowed down to Him? Where do you get these wild ideas. No that wasn't my point. Yes, they can bow but they do so in spirit and truth as Jesus taught.

 

[civic]

So Jesus, the angels, the elders, etc had a heart far from the Father when they bowed down to Him? Where do you get these wild ideas. No that wasn't my point. Yes, they can bow but they do so in spirit and truth as Jesus taught.

My beliefs are based on all the scriptures below that tech in heaven believers and angels are prostrate before God ie worship.


Revelation 3:9 V-FIA-3P
GRK: ἥξουσιν καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιον τῶν
NAS: them come and bow down at your feet,
KJV: come and worship before thy
INT: they should come and should worship before the

Revelation 4:10 V-FIA-3P
GRK: θρόνου καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν τῷ ζῶντι
NAS: on the throne, and will worship Him who lives
KJV: and worship him that liveth
INT: throne and they worship him who lives

Revelation 5:14 V-AIA-3P
GRK: ἔπεσαν καὶ προσεκύνησαν ζῶντι εἰς
NAS: fell down and worshiped.
KJV: and worshipped him that liveth
INT: fell down and worshipped him who lives for

Revelation 7:11 V-AIA-3P
GRK: αὐτῶν καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: before the throne and worshiped God,
KJV: faces, and worshipped God,
INT: of them and worshipped God

Revelation 11:1 V-PPA-AMP
GRK: καὶ τοὺς προσκυνοῦντας ἐν αὐτῷ
NAS: and those who worship in it.
KJV: and them that worship therein.
INT: and those who worship in it

Revelation 11:16 V-AIA-3P
GRK: αὐτῶν καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: fell on their faces and worshiped God,
KJV: faces, and worshipped God,
INT: of them and worshipped God

Revelation 15:4 V-FIA-3P
GRK: ἥξουσιν καὶ προσκυνήσουσιν ἐνώπιόν σου
NAS: WILL COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE
KJV: shall come and worship before thee;
INT: will come and worship before you

Revelation 19:4 V-AIA-3P
GRK: ζῷα καὶ προσεκύνησαν τῷ θεῷ
NAS: fell down and worshiped God
KJV: fell down and worshipped God that sat
INT: living creatures and worshipped God

Revelation 19:10 V-ANA
GRK: ποδῶν αὐτοῦ προσκυνῆσαι αὐτῷ καὶ
NAS: at his feet to worship him. But he said
KJV: his feet to worship him. And
INT: feet of him to worship to him And

Revelation 19:10 V-AMA-2S
GRK: τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον ἡ γὰρ
NAS: of Jesus; worship God.
KJV: of Jesus: worship God:
INT: God worship the indeed

Revelation 22:8 V-ANA
GRK: ἔβλεψα ἔπεσα προσκυνῆσαι ἔμπροσθεν τῶν
NAS: I fell down to worship at the feet
KJV: I fell down to worship before
INT: saw I fell down to worship before the

Revelation 22:9 V-AMA-2S
GRK: τῷ θεῷ προσκύνησον
NAS: of this book. Worship God.
KJV: of this book: worship God.
INT: God worship

 

[MTMattie]

This is bad. You said the serpents lie was they would be as the gods and then God said they are as the gods. Have you ever read Genesis? I showed you the chapter.

The serpent’s lie:

Genesis 3​

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:​

God’s truth:

Genesis 3​

22And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:​

Wrong again................................................. New International Version “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New Living Translation “God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.” English Standard Version For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Berean Standard Bible “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” ENTER NOW... JIMMY'S TRANSLATION... ANOTHER FALACY. King James Bible For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. New King James Version For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New American Standard Bible For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil.” NASB 1995 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” NASB 1977 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Legacy Standard Bible For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Amplified Bible For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened [that is, you will have greater awareness], and you will be like God, knowing [the difference between] good and evil.” Christian Standard Bible “In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Holman Christian Standard Bible In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” American Standard Version for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. Aramaic Bible in Plain English Because God knew that in the day that you eat from it, your eyes are opened and you are like God, knowing the good and the evil.” Contemporary English Version "God understands what will happen on the day you eat fruit from that tree. You will see what you have done, and you will know the difference between right and wrong, just as God does." English Revised Version for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. GOD'S WORD® Translation God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened. You'll be like God, knowing good and evil." Good News Translation God said that because he knows that when you eat it, you will be like God and know what is good and what is bad." International Standard Version "Even God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you'll become like God, knowing good and evil." JPS Tanakh 1917 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.' Literal Standard Version for God knows that in the day of your eating of it—your eyes have been opened, and you have been as God, knowing good and evil.” Majority Standard Bible “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New American Bible God knows well that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.” New Revised Standard Version for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New Heart English Bible for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." World English Bible for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Young's Literal Translation for God doth know that in the day of your eating of it -- your eyes have been opened, and ye have been as God, knowing good and evil.' BEING AS OR BEING LIKE IS NOT BEING GOD.... And God further said Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “— Like one of us does not say he became one of us.

 

[civic]

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Wrong again................................................. New International Version “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New Living Translation “God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.” English Standard Version For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Berean Standard Bible “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” ENTER NOW... JIMMY'S TRANSLATION... ANOTHER FALACY. King James Bible For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. New King James Version For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New American Standard Bible For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will become like God, knowing good and evil.” NASB 1995 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” NASB 1977 “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Legacy Standard Bible For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Amplified Bible For God knows that on the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened [that is, you will have greater awareness], and you will be like God, knowing [the difference between] good and evil.” Christian Standard Bible “In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Holman Christian Standard Bible In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” American Standard Version for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. Aramaic Bible in Plain English Because God knew that in the day that you eat from it, your eyes are opened and you are like God, knowing the good and the evil.” Contemporary English Version "God understands what will happen on the day you eat fruit from that tree. You will see what you have done, and you will know the difference between right and wrong, just as God does." English Revised Version for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil. GOD'S WORD® Translation God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened. You'll be like God, knowing good and evil." Good News Translation God said that because he knows that when you eat it, you will be like God and know what is good and what is bad." International Standard Version "Even God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you'll become like God, knowing good and evil." JPS Tanakh 1917 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as God, knowing good and evil.' Literal Standard Version for God knows that in the day of your eating of it—your eyes have been opened, and you have been as God, knowing good and evil.” Majority Standard Bible “For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New American Bible God knows well that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods, who know good and evil.” New Revised Standard Version for God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” New Heart English Bible for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." World English Bible for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Young's Literal Translation for God doth know that in the day of your eating of it -- your eyes have been opened, and ye have been as God, knowing good and evil.' BEING AS OR BEING LIKE IS NOT BEING GOD.... And God further said Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever “— Like one of us does not say he became one of us.

yes clearly and undeniably wrong.

 

[MTMattie]

yes clearly and undeniably wrong.

Wonder if English, or American English is his first language?

 

[civic]

Wonder if English, or American English is his first language?

Great question I'm not sure.

I posted 14 verses showing there is worship/prostration in heaven which was denied before I posted all those passages which he said worship/prostrate was a " MEANINGLESS " act.

see post 1072.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Scripture supports @Peterlag 's position on the matter of who God is. Trinitarianism isn't Biblical. I am not even trying to argue with you. It isn't described or explained in the Bible.

You can't argue with me because I'm clearly exposing your lies. No need to tell yourself otherwise.

Yes God loves you, but it's more like that God is tolerating you and waiting for you to come to repentance. He loves and tolerates a lot of people and provides for everyone whether they be just or unjust.

I know, you're the exception to this. Surprise for you......God tolerates us all. Even you. You're substantially different than @Pancho Frijoles

He should recognize this about you.

Those who are confused and disobedient aren't a threat to Him and His sovereignty. You'll be given the truth like you have already in this thread and allowed to either accept it or reject it. However, God will judge you for your unreptenant idolatry. Deifying humans, animals, birds, statues, false gods, etc is idolatry in Scripture.

I believe Jesus is God. God has a perfect relationship with the Son. When you see the Son, you perfectly see the Father.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

And many people don't keep commandments they are not aware of. The result doesn't change based on knowledge, but mercy may be withdrawn when someone willingly, knowingly, sins against God and doesn't repent.

Bodily prostration is meaningless worship. This is why Jesus taught that the true worshippers with worship the Father in spirit and truth.

You're not worshipping the Father while rejecting Jesus Christ.

 

[praise_yeshua]

yes clearly and undeniably wrong.

If they are looking for "same" or "perfect likeness". Then such is found in the English word "Identity". Which has a perfect application in the Son.

Our "Identity" is in Jesus Christ.