Jesus denied being God

[Pancho Frijoles]

The blessing is for those who confess Jesus Christ as their lord and their God

Hi TomL

We are not blessed by confessing anything. “Demons” also confessed Jesus was the Son of God.
We are blessed by doing what such confession demands. Please read the Scriptures below.
Therefore, Trinitarians and Unitarians are not more blessed than atheists, until they prove, through the love they show to each other, that their confessions of Jesus as Lord or God mean something.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me and hears My words and does them, I will show whom he is like: 48 He is like a man who built a house, and dug deep, and laid the foundation on rock. When the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, but could not shake it, for it was founded on rock. 49 But he who hears and does not obey is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently. Immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” (Matthew 6:46-49)

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Amen

Creatures are not to be worshiped. Christ would have been at fault had he accepted worship were he not who Thomas proclaimed him.

How do you worship Christ, TomL?
Could you share a moment your life in which you have worshiped Him?
The question also goes for you, @civic

 

[civic]

Amen

Creatures are not to be worshiped. Christ would have been at fault had he accepted worship were he not who Thomas proclaimed him.

yes and notice who turns a blind eye to that fact and places their personal beliefs over the clear teaching of scripture.

 

[MTMattie]

The reference here is to Jesus

Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government shall be upon his shoulder: And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Heb 1 applies this to Christ

Psalm 45:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: The sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee With the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

also

Psalm 102:25–27 (KJV 1900) — 25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: And the heavens are the work of thy hands. 26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: 27 But thou art the same, And thy years shall have no end.

Thank you,

to Iaisah. (I seem to forget about him SMH)

Hebrews is new testament, no?

As to psalms... excellent quotes

I often use 45 with Hebrews.

But , not to argue... do not see Jesus being called God in Psalms 102...I read this psalm as to God YHWH, the Father.... (could be wrong, but is what I see)

 

[MTMattie]

Luke 24: Then they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy

Matthew 28- And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him

Conclusion: Jesus is God just as Thomas confessed.

Hope this helps !!!

And Jesus WAS worshipped.

 

[civic]

And Jesus WAS worshipped.

Amen. Who can deny it since that is exactly what the Bible says about Christ that He along with the Father is worshipped by those He healed and His disciples.

 

[civic]

In His Triumphant entry we see Jesus the Lord was PRAISED/ WORHIPED by the crowds.

Matthew 21
The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted,

“Hosanna to the Son of David!”
“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”
“Hosanna in the highest heaven!”
10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?”

11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

14 The blind and the lame came to him at the temple, and he healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the teachers of the law saw the wonderful things he did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they were indignant.

16 “Do you hear what these children are saying?” they asked him.

“Yes,” replied Jesus, “have you never read,

“‘From the lips of children and infants
you, Lord, have called forth your praise

Psalm 8:2- From the mouths of children and infants You have ordained praise on account of Your adversaries, to silence the enemy and avenger.

conclusion: Jesus claims this OT prophecy is about Him as Lord ( YHWH ) being praised by the Lips of children

 

[MTMattie]

Hyper grace. We got anyone who believes in that here? Pretty sure they believe something like one can enjoy their life of sin and still go to heaven.

Regardless of everything else... do you agree the final judgement is works based?

THUS SAYS PAUL ..................... From Ephesians 2

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision “ by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—

remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;

for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.


So, the answer is no, for me

 

[civic]

THUS SAYS PAUL ..................... From Ephesians 2

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called “Uncircumcision “ by the so-called “Circumcision,” which is performed in the flesh by human hands—

remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall,
by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by it having put to death the enmity.

AND HE CAME AND PREACHED PEACE TO YOU WHO WERE FAR AWAY, AND PEACE TO THOSE WHO WERE NEAR;

for through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father.


So, the answer is no, for me

A biblical answer !!!

 

[Micaiah]

He also said I and the father are ONE. (John 10:30). John 1 gives details.

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.” (John 14:20, KJV)

Believers are also included as ONE with Christ and God.

In your logic believers are God too I suppose…

 

[civic]

He also said I and the father are ONE. (John 10:30). John 1 gives details.

Amen !

the Same God.

 

[TomL]

Thank you,

View attachment 923 to Iaisah. (I seem to forget about him SMH)

Hebrews is new testament, no?

As to psalms... excellent quotes

I often use 45 with Hebrews.

But , not to argue... do not see Jesus being called God in Psalms 102...I read this psalm as to God YHWH, the Father.... (could be wrong, but is what I see)

Yes Psa 102 is to Yahweh

Hebrews 1 However tells us it is stated of the son

So the son may be properly termed Yahweh

 

[TomL]

yes and notice who turns a blind eye to that fact and places their personal beliefs over the clear teaching of scripture.

All who deny the full deity of Christ

 

[TomL]

How do you worship Christ, TomL?
Could you share a moment your life in which you have worshiped Him?
The question also goes for you, @civic

I praise and worship him. Singing, lifting my hands and praying to him, honoring his word, declaring his glory and confessing him as my lord and savior, testifying here before all as to his glory and godhood

 

[TomL]

Hi TomL

We are not blessed by confessing anything. “Demons” also confessed Jesus was the Son of God.
We are blessed by doing what such confession demands. Please read the Scriptures below.
Therefore, Trinitarians and Unitarians are not more blessed than atheists, until they prove, through the love they show to each other, that their confessions of Jesus as Lord or God mean something.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me and hears My words and does them, I will show whom he is like: 48 He is like a man who built a house, and dug deep, and laid the foundation on rock. When the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, but could not shake it, for it was founded on rock. 49 But he who hears and does not obey is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently. Immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” (Matthew 6:46-49)

You are ignoring the quote

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

substituting the words son of God

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

You are ignoring the quote

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

substituting the words son of God

Good morning, Tom L

I have already posted my comments on John 20:28-29.

If I understand you correctly, you think that Thomas was worshiping Jesus as his God, and that by worshiping Jesus as his God, he (or anyone of us) can be blessed.
I don't know what worshiping Jesus as God means for you in your daily life.
I think this is of utmost importance, because if nobody can explain what worshiping Jesus as God means... what would be the importance of analyzing John 20:28-29?

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

I praise and worship him. Singing, lifting my hands and praying to him, honoring his word, declaring his glory and confessing him as my lord and savior, testifying here before all as to his glory and godhood

Thanks for your answer, TomL. I made the reply above without noticing you have answered my question.
My apologies.

In regard to your answer

1. You say you praise Jesus singing. Christian Unitarians also praise Jesus singing. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus. Do you agree?
2. You say you praise Jesus lifting your hands. Well, not all Trinitarians lift their hands. So that is not required for worshiping Jesus.
3. You say you honor his word. Christian Unitarians also honor his word. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus.
4. You say you declare his glory. Christian Unitarians also declare his glory. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus
5. You say you confess Him as your Lord and Savior. Christian Unitarians also confess Him as their Lord and Savior. So that is not that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus
6. You say you testify here, in the Forum, and before all, to his godhood. This is something Christian Unitarians don't do.

So, if you agree with me, the only thing that you and a Christian Unitarian make different is activity number 6.
Then, what does worshiping Jesus mean? To speak and write that He is God? Is that it?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Hi TomL

We are not blessed by confessing anything. “Demons” also confessed Jesus was the Son of God.
We are blessed by doing what such confession demands. Please read the Scriptures below.
Therefore, Trinitarians and Unitarians are not more blessed than atheists, until they prove, through the love they show to each other, that their confessions of Jesus as Lord or God mean something.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

“Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me and hears My words and does them, I will show whom he is like: 48 He is like a man who built a house, and dug deep, and laid the foundation on rock. When the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, but could not shake it, for it was founded on rock. 49 But he who hears and does not obey is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently. Immediately it fell, and the ruin of that house was great.” (Matthew 6:46-49)

Do demons have a sacrifice to claim for salvation?

Huge difference. Christ died for humanity. Not demons. Demons don't have a place at the "table".

 

[mikesw]

Good morning, Tom L

I have already posted my comments on John 20:28-29.

If I understand you correctly, you think that Thomas was worshiping Jesus as his God, and that by worshiping Jesus as his God, he (or anyone of us) can be blessed.

The worship is to glorify God and give him the honor due his name. Thomas and others worship Jesus without expectation to be blessed back by God due to this act. It is giving thanks in the way God asks for thanks. Otherwise, it is like the other 9 lepers in Luke 17

Luke 17
11 Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. 12 As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy[a] met him. They stood at a distance 13 and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”

14 When he saw them, he said, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.

15 One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. 16 He threw himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him—and he was a Samaritan.

17 Jesus asked, “Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? 18 Has no one returned to give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19 Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”

 

[praise_yeshua]

Thanks for your answer, TomL. I made my replied without noticing you have answerd my question.
My apologies.

In regard to your answer

1. You say you praise Jesus singing. Christian Unitarians also praise Jesus singing. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus. Do you agree?
2. You say you praise Jesus lifting your hands. Well, not all Trinitarians lift their hands. So that is not required for worshiping Jesus.
3. You say you honor his word. Christian Unitarians also honor his word. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus.
4. You say you declare his glory. Christian Unitarians also declare his glory. So that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus
5. You say you confess Him as your Lord and Savior. Christian Unitarians also confess Him as their Lord and Savior. So that is not that is not exclusive of people who say they worship Jesus
6. You say you testify here, in the Forum, and before all, to his godhood. This is something Christian Unitarians don't do.

So, if you agree with me, the only thing that you and a Christian Unitarian makes different is activity number 6.
Then, what does worshiping Jesus mean? To speak and write that He is God? Is that it?

So you don't go to Jesus in prayer? We pray to Jesus.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

I seem to remember asking you this before, you ignored it.

Good list you have going there. Add #7.

#7 false chrisitan unitarians do not pray to Jesus.