Jesus denied being God

The Jews never found multiple persons of God. You think they did. But they did not. They are correct. You are wrong.
Okay. Among other views of Peterlag, he is calling Jews liars. Then he says I'm wrong for saying that. So he also wants a wall of protection by calling me wrong for pointing out the truth.
For those wishing to hear some Jews discussing the awareness of multiple persons of the Godhead, watch this video. Sorry I am not taking many notes on it. Another source is the book Two Powers in Heaven, by Segal

Here is part of it as found 2 minutes into the video


there's a well-known Jewish scholar in fact he's ... he's one of the leading Scholars of Hebrew Bible Professor Benjamin Sommer, not a Messianic Jew. yeah no no no no no.he's he's one of the leading um Scholars of Hebrew Bible works with intertextuality, very well known in his field. very well respected.anybody that does any work in the Hebrew Bible and to[who?] listen to what he says... he says classic language of trinitarian theology such as μια οὐσία, τρεῖς ὑπόστασις that is (one nature, three persons or one substance, three manifestations),applies perfectly well to examples of the Lord's fluidity in theHebrew Bible and to the fluidity traditions in Canaan and Mesopotamia.

he basically argues that <2:49>the whole notion of the Trinity is not something far into the Hebrew scriptures at all and he uses the word fluidity fluidity and we'll talk about that as we go on
 
The Bible teaches there is one God, the Father, and one Messiah and Lord, Jesus Christ, who is the divinely conceived Son of God. Jesus Christ is the fully human “Son of God” and not “God the Son.” For clarity’s sake, it's helpful to understand what the Trinity is. The orthodox doctrine of the Trinity is that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and the three of them are co-equal, co-eternal, and share the same essence and together those three individual “Persons” are one triune God. The doctrine of the Trinity that Jesus is both 100% God and 100% man and that both the divine nature and his human nature live together in his flesh body may be widely believed, but is never stated in the Bible.
Sorry as was shown there are verses which call him God

There are Old Testament passages referencing Jehovah that are stated to be Jesus in the New Testament

The names/titles of Jehovah are applied to Christ in the New Testament
 
Sorry as was shown there are verses which call him God

There are Old Testament passages referencing Jehovah that are stated to be Jesus in the New Testament

The names/titles of Jehovah are applied to Christ in the New Testament
No need to be sorry. I'm still right.
 
Okay. Among other views of Peterlag, he is calling Jews liars. Then he says I'm wrong for saying that. So he also wants a wall of protection by calling me wrong for pointing out the truth.
For those wishing to hear some Jews discussing the awareness of multiple persons of the Godhead, watch this video. Sorry I am not taking many notes on it. Another source is the book Two Powers in Heaven, by Segal

Here is part of it as found 2 minutes into the video
When I say Jews I'm referring to the ones in the Old Testament. Not the trinity people of today.
 
No need to be sorry. I'm still right.
Nope you are in denial

There are verses which call him God

There are Old Testament passages referencing Jehovah that are stated to be Jesus in the New Testament

The names/titles of Jehovah are applied to Christ in the New Testament
 
When I say Jews I'm referring to the ones in the Old Testament. Not the trinity people of today.
Me too. Or the info we have from from Non-Christian Jews as things got shared around the the first-century. So these are the people who wrote either before Christ was incarnated or the traditions recorded later.
 
If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Luke 14:26

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; ..." Luke 10:27

So Jesus demands the exact same love that we are to give God. Either Jesus is demanding idolatry or He is God. Obviously He is God.
Exactly.
And hate ( miseo ) in that passage means to love less, to esteem less. So if one loves Jesus less than the Father they are actually hating the Son.


miseó: to hate

Original Word: μισέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: miseó
Phonetic Spelling: (mis-eh'-o)
Definition: to hate
Usage: I hate, detest, love less, esteem less.

HELPS Word-studies

3404 miséō – properly, to detest (on a comparativebasis); hence, denounce; to love someone or something less than someone(something) else, i.e. to renounce one choice in favor of another.

Lk 14:26: "If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate (3404 /miséō, 'love less' than the Lord) his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple" (NASU).

[Note the comparative meaning of 3404 (miséō) which centers in moral choice, elevating one value over another.]

to be disinclined to, disfavor, disregard in contrast to preferential treatment (Gn 29:31; Dt 21:15, 16) Mt 6:24; Lk 16:13. τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ J 12:25 or ἑαυτοῦ Lk 14:26 (cp. the formulation Plut, Mor. 556d οὐδʼ ἐμίσουν ἑαυτούς; on the theme cp. Tyrtaeus [VII B.C.] 8, 5 D.3). Ro 9:13 BDAG


BDAG.
② to be disinclined to, disfavor, disregard in contrast to preferential treatment (Gn 29:31; Dt 21:15, 16) Mt 6:24; Lk 16:13. τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ J 12:25 or ἑαυτοῦ Lk 14:26 (cp. the formulation Plut, Mor. 556d οὐδʼ ἐμίσουν ἑαυτούς; on the theme cp. Tyrtaeus [VII B.C.] 8, 5 D.3). Ro 9:13 (Mal 1:2f). Perh. 2 Cl 6:6 (s. 1b). (JDenney, The Word ‘Hate’ in Lk 14:26: ET 21, 1910, 41f; WBleibtreu, Paradoxe Aussprüche Jesu: Theol. Arbeiten aus d. wissensch. Prediger-Verein d. Rheinprovinz, new ser. 20, 24, 15–35; RSockman, The Paradoxes of J. ’36).—ACarr, The Mng. of ‘Hatred’ in the NT: Exp. 6th ser., 12, 1905, 153–60.—DELG. M-M. EDNT. TW.

And here is a Greek Scholar/Teacher Robert Mounce

I loved, but Esau I hated” (Mal 1:2–3). This should not be interpreted to mean that God actually hated Esau. The strong contrast is a Semitic idiom that heightens the comparison by stating it in absolute terms. 17

Robert H. Mounce, Romans, vol. 27, The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1995), 198–199.

Berkeley softens the contrast translating, “To Jacob I was drawn, but Esau I repudiated” (the NRSV has “chose” and “rejected”). In discussing the “hatred” of God, Michel comments that it “is not so much an emotion as a rejection in will and deed” (TDNT 4.687).

Robert H. Mounce, Romans, vol. 27, The New American Commentary (Nashville: Broadman & Holman Publishers, 1995).

Here are more renown Scholars

Esau I hated. I.e., “loved less,” according to an ancient Near Eastern hyperbole. It expresses the lack of gratuitous election of Esau and the Edomites (Idumaeans). See Gen 29:30–31: “he loved Rachel more than Leah …; when the Lord saw that Leah was hated …”; cf. Deut 21:15–17; compare Luke 14:26 (“hate”) with Matt 10:37 (“love more”). There is no hint here of predestination to “grace” or “glory” of an individual; it is an expression of the choice of corporate Israel over corporate Edom.

Joseph A. Fitzmyer S.J., Romans: A New Translation with Introduction and Commentary, vol. 33, Anchor Yale Bible (New Haven; London: Yale University Press, 2008), 563.

13. Characteristically Paul backs up his argument with a quotation from Scripture, this one from Malachi 1:2–3: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Two questions are important here: Is Paul referring to nations or individuals? and What is meant by hated? As to the first, we have just seen that the Genesis passage refers primarily to nations and we would expect that to continue here. That this is the case seems clear from what Malachi writes about Esau: “Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals” (Mal. 1:3). Both in Genesis and Malachi the reference is clearly to nations, and we should accept this as Paul’s meaning accordingly.

The meaning of hated is a different kind of problem. There is a difficulty in that Scripture speaks of a love of God for the whole world (John 3:16) and the meaning of “God is love” (1 John 4:8, 16) is surely that God loves, quite irrespective of merit or demerit in the beloved. Specifically he is said to love sinners (Rom. 5:8). It is also true that in Scripture there are cases where “hate” seems clearly to mean “love less” (e.g., Gen. 29:31, 33; Deut. 21:15; Matt. 6:24; Luke 14:26; John 12:25). Many find this an acceptable solution here: God loved Esau (and the nation Edom) less than he loved Jacob (and Israel). But it is perhaps more likely that like Calvin we should understand the expression in the sense “reject” over against “accept”. He explains the passage thus: “I chose Jacob and rejected Esau, induced to this course by my mercy alone, and not by any worthiness in his works.… I had rejected the Edomites.…” This accords with the stress throughout this passage on the thought of election for service. God chose Israel for this role; he did not so choose Edom. Leon Morris, The Epistle to the Romans,

hope this helps !!!
 
Me too. Or the info we have from from Non-Christian Jews as things got shared around the the first-century. So these are the people who wrote either before Christ was incarnated or the traditions recorded later.
I believe the Bible is heavenly inspired by God and so I will only look at what is written in that. Not what people say about it.
 
I believe the Bible is heavenly inspired by God and so I will only look at what is written in that. Not what people say about it.
that is foolish too since the reader has his own bias and difficulties. There are plenty of passages that you can misunderstand due to failure to take guidelines from other people. Christianity is a community. It is not people going off on their own and getting unique interpretations. Paul warns against that. If you find something unique, develop the argument and if not accepted, you better be really cautious in accepting it yourself.
 
I believe the Bible is heavenly inspired by God and so I will only look at what is written in that. Not what people say about it.
If that is true, you should believe in the deity of Christ as all the first Christians were Jews who attributed to Jesus the Acts of Jehovah
 
Back
Top Bottom