Peterlag
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It's sad you believe that Jesus is God. A Catholic doctrine that is not biblical.
Jesus denied being God
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This quotation is from your book:
"I now think the prayer is to Jesus Christ and he is not far from us, but rather right inside of us via the spirit of Christ within us, whereby we can function through the spirit of Christ."
Thanks for your admission.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer proves He is God.
Peterlag
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Praying to the resurrected son of God, the Messiah to Israel, and the Lord and Christ to the Christian does not mean Jesus is God.This quotation is from your book:
"I now think the prayer is to Jesus Christ and he is not far from us, but rather right inside of us via the spirit of Christ within us, whereby we can function through the spirit of Christ."
Thanks for your admission.
Since the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer proves He is God.
Peterlag
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It made no sense if I ignored it. I'm not interested in evidence. I want a teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. A whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
jeremiah1five
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Sorry to inform you but that's not entirely correct.
Understanding the title and Person of Messiah (Greek: Christos = "Christ") would be the first thing to know in interpreting that Jesus Himself declared to be God and not only that, but the term "Messiah" to the Hebrew mind does refer to Deity, and Jesus did declare His Deity in His prayer to His Father in the presence of His twelve disciples.
The first mention of a Redeemer is found in Genesis 3:15 as recorded by Moses.
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Gen. 3:15.
Reference of a "seed of the woman" spoken by God to the serpent and the act of "it" bruising 'thy jead' but in turn suffering a blow to the heel of the seed to the Hebrews - especially Moses - is a direct revelation that the promised seed will be a man (seed of the woman) but also powerful enough to destroy a fatal blow to the head of the serpent is clear. Later, Moses makes a declaration of God sending a "prophet like unto himself" (Moses) in Deuteronomy 18:
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken; Deut. 18:15.
and
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him., Deut. 18:18.
The buildup of this certain "seed of the woman" carried over throughout Hebrew history with many prophecies that uncover His identity is well documented in Scripture from the Garden. This Messiah would be weak in that its heel would be bruised but along with this affliction this seed and prophet like unto Moses would also be powerful enough to destroy the head of the serpent and only God can do this. Later, with the Advent of the Promised seed in the Person of Jesus of Nazareth He Himself declares that He is the God-man who was Promised to come:
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:1–3.
In Israel's history many rose up and attempted to fill the role of the Promised One all were in time disposed of in one way or another. While all were men none were actually able to fulfill the title of the God part of the God-man dichotomy except one: Jesus of Nazareth. But this fulfillment did not come about with regard to Jesus until His disciples were able to witness this truth after His resurrection from the grave. And only God can do that. The claim of Jesus being God is not a Roman Catholic doctrine but a teaching throughout Hebrew history as each succeeding generation looked to the day God would fulfill this Promise. That day arrived along with many proofs throughout the three-year ministry of Jesus of Nazareth who healed sickness, cast out demons, and raised the dead. The last proof being His resurrection from the dead, a testimony that is passed on today. Don't take my word for it. One must believe what had been written of this victorious seed of the woman (Israel - Revelation 12) from a Hebrew perspective which was prophesied from the beginning. So, do your study. The Scripture doesn't lie and neither does God.
Or, should I say, the Godman, Jesus of Nazareth, Israel's long-awaited Messiah.
That says it all.
civic
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ya think lol, a blind faith
dwight92070
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Nothing sad about it. Actually it makes me happy, yes even glad, to honor Jesus in His rightful position.
It really is sad.
Peterlag
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There are things in this life I don't understand. One of them is why so many are so sure that Jesus is God that they have dug their heels so deep into such a belief system. Why would so many be so sure to believe something that does not exist?
Peterlag
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It does not say it all. It only says I'm interested in a teaching and there's none. It seems it would have been clearly stated in the Bible and in the earliest Christian creeds if the doctrine of the Trinity was genuine and central to Christian belief and especially if belief in it was necessary for salvation as many Trinitarians teach. God gave the Scriptures to the Jewish people, and the Jewish religion and worship that comes from that revelation does not contain any reference to or teachings about a triune God. Surely the Jewish people were qualified to read and understand it, but they never saw the doctrine of the Trinity.
Peterlag
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Concerning this that you quoted above... it says I will raise up a Prophet. It does not say I will raise up a God.
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him., Deut. 18:18.
The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.
dwight92070
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You don't always get what you want.
Peterlag
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The reason you don't have a teaching on the trinity is because there is none. All you post are bits and pieces of words and half verses and all taken out of context or from bad translations or not understanding how the words were used at the time they were written. Thomas is a great example...
Jesus is God's messenger/agent/representative (Jewish Law of agency - shaliah). We can clearly see this Jewish principle through the entire gospel of John. Jesus was sent by God (the Father) as God's messenger. Jesus was God’s representative on earth. God gave Jesus the right and authority to act in His name. And that is why Jesus declared that whoever receives him automatically receives God the Father, that whoever sees him sees the Father, that whoever believes in him actually believes in the Father who sent him and conversely, whoever rejects him rejects the Father who sent him (John 12:44-45; 14:7; 1 John 2:23).
It's therefore true that whoever sees the Son sees God the Father. However, there is another dimension to this mutual relationship between them. In the NT we read that Jesus as the Son of God is the image of the invisible God (Col. 1:15), he is the radiance of his glory and the express image of his nature/person (Hebrews 1:3), that in the face of Jesus Christ the glory of God can be seen (2 Cor. 4:6), that the Son came to reveal and show us God the Father (who is spirit and whom no one has ever seen - John 1:18), and therefore that it's in him that we can know God the Father and that he is the only "way" to the Father, that in his human body dwells the Father himself (Col. 2:9 - "all the fullness of the Godhead bodily") who acts through him. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that whoever sees and believes in the Son automatically sees and believes in God the Father.
This was also understood by the apostle Thomas (John 20:28 compared with John 14:5-9) who finally realized and believed that in Jesus he saw the one true God - the Father, who dwells in him and He is doing everything through His Son (including his resurrection). It's also our duty to realize that Jesus Christ is the visible image of the (otherwise) invisible God and that we can know the one true God - the Father and reach him only through His Son Jesus Christ, as the only way leading to God.
God dwells in all believers (2 Cor. 6:16), but Christians are not to refer to one another as "my God".
Peterlag
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He saw God in Christ. There's nothing else there. Thomas is not a teaching on the trinity. It's not a whole paragraph or chapter teaching that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
God is in all believers.
Why does all the components of a particular doctrine have to appear in only one place in the Bible?
Who made that rule?
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Peterlag
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The rule is that anything that is real is taught. When something is not real is when one needs to jump all over the Bible trying to paste something together that does not fit with a billion other Scriptures.
