Is persuasion even necessary in Calvinism ?

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

 

[brightfame52]

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

 

[brightfame52]

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[Frank Russell]

Keep reminding God’s people of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. (2 Timothy 2:14)

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

 

[brightfame52]

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

 

[brightfame52]

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[Frank Russell]

Use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. (Matthew 6:7)

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

I are an writor and editer. (Inside joke among writers and editors.) Have been for more years than I care to count. And I used to warn writers what one editor warned me in a joke when I was starting out: "Passive voice should never be used by you". Yes, it means a subject is being acted upon, like in "it should never used by you".

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

What is an Imperative Sentence Passive Voice?​

By now you may have noticed that imperative sentence passive voice is a grammatical construction that combines the features of imperative sentences and passive voice. It specialises in giving instructions or commands more indirectly or formally.

 

[brightfame52]

I are an writor and editer. (Inside joke among writers and editors.) Have been for more years than I care to count. And I used to warn writers what one editor warned me in a joke when I was starting out: "Passive voice should never be used by you". Yes, it means a subject is being acted upon, like in "it should never used by you".

Being in the passive voice is very key here, because its not just a bare imperative telling them to do something and then waiting to see if they are going to comply, no its an imperative being backed up by the power of Gods voice bringing it to pass, just like the command described in Ps 33:9

9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

So their hearts and minds are going to be reconciled to what is already the Truth, their reconciliation by the death of Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

In reconciliation yes in accepting it no

Doug correctly noted they were to submit to the reconciliation of God

2 Corinthians 5:20 (UASV) — 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

Reconciliation was made on their behalf. They had no part in making it. They did have as part in accepting it

As though God did beseech you by us. Our message is to be regarded as the message of God. It is God who speaks. What we say to you is said in his name and on his authority, and should be received with the respect which is due to a message directly from God. The gospel message is God speaking to men through the ministry, and entreating them to be reconciled. This invests the message which the ministers of religion bear with infinite dignity and solemnity; and it makes it a fearful and awful thing to reject it.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: II Corinthians & Galatians (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 132.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[brightfame52]

What is an Imperative Sentence Passive Voice?​

By now you may have noticed that imperative sentence passive voice is a grammatical construction that combines the features of imperative sentences and passive voice. It specialises in giving instructions or commands more indirectly or formally.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

What is an Imperative Sentence Passive Voice?​

By now you may have noticed that imperative sentence passive voice is a grammatical construction that combines the features of imperative sentences and passive voice. It specialises in giving instructions or commands more indirectly or formally.

 

[Behold]

...which is why I dropped the Calvinist definitions of reality in the mid 70s in favour of our true free will before the fall and only sinners enslaved to sin being sown into the earth after its creation after the fall, Matt 13:36-39.

No free will equates to:
- no guilt for sin
- no righteous judgement
- no true love
- no true marriage, heavenly or earthly

Calvin has God causing Adam = "predetermined to eat the Apple"...... that God said..>"don't do that".

Calvinism is crazy, and what is so obvious is that the people who are infected by this mind blinding rot, can not even think about Calvinism using logic or reason.

For example, if Hiter is pre-destined to burn 6 million Jews, then can God hold Him accountable for MURDER?

Or, if a person ends up in Hell because they REJECTED CHRIST, being not one of the "pre-destined" to Believe.....then they had no CHOICE but to die as an unbeliever......so, can God justly send them, or YOU, to HELL< for JOHN 3:36..... if God didnt choose you to believe?

So, a 3 yr old could understand that God is not that one.......but Calvinists.....are LOST IN IT< and can't see simple truth, as that is what this doctrine of devils does to your mind.
It supernaturally bewitches you, so that all you can see is CAVLIN's Teaching.

He was a clever devil and his Theology is ANTI-CROSS.

 

[brightfame52]

What is an Imperative Sentence Passive Voice?​

By now you may have noticed that imperative sentence passive voice is a grammatical construction that combines the features of imperative sentences and passive voice. It specialises in giving instructions or commands more indirectly or formally.

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

 

[TomL]

The passive voice means the subject is being acted upon, so God by His imperative via the Gospel Truth is causing them to believe the Truth of their reconciliation, hence His command is backed up by His Power to produce the result of faith. Also the ones to whom this imperative is issued to are already regenerated new creatures in Christ vs 17. Has nothing to do with unregenerate spiritually dead sinners.

Ps 33:9

For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

What is an Imperative Sentence Passive Voice?​

By now you may have noticed that imperative sentence passive voice is a grammatical construction that combines the features of imperative sentences and passive voice. It specialises in giving instructions or commands more indirectly or formally.