Is anyone else a Seer?

[dwight92070]

Have you ever asked God about Paul's letter to Timothy, whether or not that was a commandment from God or just Paul's opinion like in 1 Cor. 7 seeing as he said, "I do not allow..."

I did.

My "knee-jerk reaction" was to go to the word of God, not just believe everything you said. The scripture tells us "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

The apostle Peter called Paul's words scripture. 2 Peter 3:14-16 " ... just as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of Scriptures, to their own destruction."

The apostle John tells us that if someone doesn't listen to them, i.e. the apostles - even their opinions, then that person is not from God 1 John 4:6 - "We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul makes it clear what the Lord commands (verse 10) and where the Lord has said nothing, he gives his opinion, which is pretty much the whole chapter. Verse 25 " ... I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy." Verse 40 says "But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God."

Just because Paul gives us his opinion, this does not automatically give us the option of rejecting what he says. In fact, his opinions are, in themselves, part of scripture, as Peter said. However, Paul's language in 1 Cor. 7 is not dictatorial - i.e. he does allow freedom to choose in more than one place.

In 1 Corinthians 14:34-38, we see a related passage to 1 Tim. 2:11-15:

"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it it improper for a woman to speak in church. ... If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I wrote to you are the Lord's commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized."

Jesus gave His apostles great authority, of which Paul is one, even though not part of the original twelve:

"The one who listens to you, listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and the one who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." Luke 10:16

To reject Paul's words, is to reject Jesus, and God.

In 1 Tim.2:11-14, Paul tells us that his instructions are based on a truth that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. Women are not to teach or exercise authority over a man. This why I reject your claim that God told you that you were given the gift of being a teacher - UNLESS you teach in accordance with Paul's instructions - The older women are to teach the young women. Titus 2:4-5

When "God's own doctrines from hearing His voice" contradict the doctrines of the Bible, which your "voice" identified as the "denominational doctrines of man", the choice is clear. We go with the Bible.

It is true. There are harmful denominational doctrines of man - Dispensationalism, Calvinism, Reformed Theology, denying the Deity of Jesus, once saved, always saved, to name a few. But the test is the same with them. Are they abiding by the truth of scripture or not?

But to claim to hear "God's own voice" as often as you do is extremely dangerous. The whole "doctrine" of "listening for God's voice" is, in itself, dangerous. Just the sheer volume of the amount of times that you claim that you have heard His voice, puts you into a category that no person in scripture, aside from Jesus Himself, had ever attained. Yes, Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice, but no apostle ever heard His voice as often as you claim to have. We must compare your experience (and our own) to the experience of the apostles. Paul said, "Follow me, as I follow Christ." Prophecy, the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, tongues, interpretation, etc. are for the edification of the body of Christ, NOT generally for personal guidance, and especially when that guidance contradicts scripture.

Jack Hayford assumed that he had the authority to "approve" of you being a teacher - he had no such authority, if that approval included violating Paul's instructions.

Nobody can "release" you to go against the word of God, much less God Himself.

Sid Roth is obviously profiting greatly from his "spiritual sideshow", he is a false teacher, encouraging Christians to seek after signs, which Jesus Himself warned against. Don't be fooled by such careless and dangerous dabbling in spiritual darkness, which also violates scripture.

 

[dwight92070]

I have not attacked you. I have attacked your deviation from Paul's teaching and yes, that is definitely good fruit. Do you not remember the verse "The fear of the Lord is to hate evil."? I don't hate you. I hate deviating from the word of God, which is definitely not good fruit. If you are teaching false things, and you claim to be a teacher, then that makes you a false teacher. It is possible that you are in that position ignorantly, i.e. without knowing or desiring to mislead, in which case you are probably less culpable. I hope that is the case and that your eyes will be opened to the truth.

 

[charismaticlady]

My "knee-jerk reaction" was to go to the word of God, not just believe everything you said. The scripture tells us "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

The apostle Peter called Paul's words scripture. 2 Peter 3:14-16 " ... just as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of Scriptures, to their own destruction."

The apostle John tells us that if someone doesn't listen to them, i.e. the apostles - even their opinions, then that person is not from God 1 John 4:6 - "We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul makes it clear what the Lord commands (verse 10) and where the Lord has said nothing, he gives his opinion, which is pretty much the whole chapter. Verse 25 " ... I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy." Verse 40 says "But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God."

Just because Paul gives us his opinion, this does not automatically give us the option of rejecting what he says. In fact, his opinions are, in themselves, part of scripture, as Peter said. However, Paul's language in 1 Cor. 7 is not dictatorial - i.e. he does allow freedom to choose in more than one place.

In 1 Corinthians 14:34-38, we see a related passage to 1 Tim. 2:11-15:

"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it it improper for a woman to speak in church. ... If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I wrote to you are the Lord's commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized."

Jesus gave His apostles great authority, of which Paul is one, even though not part of the original twelve:

"The one who listens to you, listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and the one who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." Luke 10:16

To reject Paul's words, is to reject Jesus, and God.

In 1 Tim.2:11-14, Paul tells us that his instructions are based on a truth that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. Women are not to teach or exercise authority over a man. This why I reject your claim that God told you that you were given the gift of being a teacher - UNLESS you teach in accordance with Paul's instructions - The older women are to teach the young women. Titus 2:4-5

When "God's own doctrines from hearing His voice" contradict the doctrines of the Bible, which your "voice" identified as the "denominational doctrines of man", the choice is clear. We go with the Bible.

It is true. There are harmful denominational doctrines of man - Dispensationalism, Calvinism, Reformed Theology, denying the Deity of Jesus, once saved, always saved, to name a few. But the test is the same with them. Are they abiding by the truth of scripture or not?

But to claim to hear "God's own voice" as often as you do is extremely dangerous. The whole "doctrine" of "listening for God's voice" is, in itself, dangerous. Just the sheer volume of the amount of times that you claim that you have heard His voice, puts you into a category that no person in scripture, aside from Jesus Himself, had ever attained. Yes, Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice, but no apostle ever heard His voice as often as you claim to have. We must compare your experience (and our own) to the experience of the apostles. Paul said, "Follow me, as I follow Christ." Prophecy, the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, tongues, interpretation, etc. are for the edification of the body of Christ, NOT generally for personal guidance, and especially when that guidance contradicts scripture.

Jack Hayford assumed that he had the authority to "approve" of you being a teacher - he had no such authority, if that approval included violating Paul's instructions.

Nobody can "release" you to go against the word of God, much less God Himself.

Sid Roth is obviously profiting greatly from his "spiritual sideshow", he is a false teacher, encouraging Christians to seek after signs, which Jesus Himself warned against. Don't be fooled by such careless and dangerous dabbling in spiritual darkness, which also violates scripture.

I have not attacked you. I have attacked your deviation from Paul's teaching and yes, that is definitely good fruit. Do you not remember the verse "The fear of the Lord is to hate evil."? I don't hate you. I hate deviating from the word of God, which is definitely not good fruit. If you are teaching false things, and you claim to be a teacher, then that makes you a false teacher. It is possible that you are in that position ignorantly, i.e. without knowing or desiring to mislead, in which case you are probably less culpable. I hope that is the case and that your eyes will be opened to the truth.

I printed these pages to read and respond.

 

[charismaticlady]

My "knee-jerk reaction" was to go to the word of God, not just believe everything you said. The scripture tells us "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

The apostle Peter called Paul's words scripture. 2 Peter 3:14-16 " ... just as our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of Scriptures, to their own destruction."

The apostle John tells us that if someone doesn't listen to them, i.e. the apostles - even their opinions, then that person is not from God 1 John 4:6 - "We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error."

In 1 Corinthians 7, Paul makes it clear what the Lord commands (verse 10) and where the Lord has said nothing, he gives his opinion, which is pretty much the whole chapter. Verse 25 " ... I have no command of the Lord, but I give an opinion as one who by the mercy of the Lord is trustworthy." Verse 40 says "But in my opinion she is happier if she remains as she is; and I think that I also have the Spirit of God."

Just because Paul gives us his opinion, this does not automatically give us the option of rejecting what he says. In fact, his opinions are, in themselves, part of scripture, as Peter said. However, Paul's language in 1 Cor. 7 is not dictatorial - i.e. he does allow freedom to choose in more than one place.

In 1 Corinthians 14:34-38, we see a related passage to 1 Tim. 2:11-15:

"The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it it improper for a woman to speak in church. ... If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I wrote to you are the Lord's commandment. But if anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized."

Jesus gave His apostles great authority, of which Paul is one, even though not part of the original twelve:

"The one who listens to you, listens to Me, and the one who rejects you rejects Me; and the one who rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me." Luke 10:16

To reject Paul's words, is to reject Jesus, and God.

In 1 Tim.2:11-14, Paul tells us that his instructions are based on a truth that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve. Women are not to teach or exercise authority over a man. This why I reject your claim that God told you that you were given the gift of being a teacher - UNLESS you teach in accordance with Paul's instructions - The older women are to teach the young women. Titus 2:4-5

When "God's own doctrines from hearing His voice" contradict the doctrines of the Bible, which your "voice" identified as the "denominational doctrines of man", the choice is clear. We go with the Bible.

It is true. There are harmful denominational doctrines of man - Dispensationalism, Calvinism, Reformed Theology, denying the Deity of Jesus, once saved, always saved, to name a few. But the test is the same with them. Are they abiding by the truth of scripture or not?

But to claim to hear "God's own voice" as often as you do is extremely dangerous. The whole "doctrine" of "listening for God's voice" is, in itself, dangerous. Just the sheer volume of the amount of times that you claim that you have heard His voice, puts you into a category that no person in scripture, aside from Jesus Himself, had ever attained. Yes, Jesus said that His sheep hear His voice, but no apostle ever heard His voice as often as you claim to have. We must compare your experience (and our own) to the experience of the apostles. Paul said, "Follow me, as I follow Christ." Prophecy, the word of wisdom, the word of knowledge, tongues, interpretation, etc. are for the edification of the body of Christ, NOT generally for personal guidance, and especially when that guidance contradicts scripture.

Jack Hayford assumed that he had the authority to "approve" of you being a teacher - he had no such authority, if that approval included violating Paul's instructions.

Nobody can "release" you to go against the word of God, much less God Himself.

Sid Roth is obviously profiting greatly from his "spiritual sideshow", he is a false teacher, encouraging Christians to seek after signs, which Jesus Himself warned against. Don't be fooled by such careless and dangerous dabbling in spiritual darkness, which also violates scripture.

It does sadden me that the first place you go to is that I am lying, or if you do believe I receive supernatural answers, they are not from God but the devil. Or do you really believe that God wouldn't answer because I am a woman?

By the way, do you have gifts, or are you a Cessationist though claim to not be a Calvinist?

As far as 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Paul is speaking about prophecy and prophets before and after these two verses. The Lord's commandment is about prophesy and prophetic tongues. It is also noted by some scholars that verses 34-35 were not in the original but added later due to they interrupt Paul's message about prophecy. Do you also believe that the prophets could prophesy one after another, EXCEPT if a women received a prophecy?

About my hearing God's voice often, yes, I have been blessed and have been given all but two of the gifts of the gifts of 1 Cor. 12. He has even made the rain stop before arriving home or work and even the grocery store for the last ten years before I retired. I agree it may seem like a lot, but that is the truth and we are to testify of these things to strengthen faith in others about God, not myself. There are verses that will pop in my head regarding divine protection and come to pass that day. God is real and we CAN depend on Him for our security both on earth and for our place in heaven.

 

[dwight92070]

It does sadden me that the first place you go to is that I am lying, or if you do believe I receive supernatural answers, they are not from God but the devil. Or do you really believe that God wouldn't answer because I am a woman?

By the way, do you have gifts, or are you a Cessationist though claim to not be a Calvinist?

As far as 1 Cor. 14:34-35 Paul is speaking about prophecy and prophets before and after these two verses. The Lord's commandment is about prophesy and prophetic tongues. It is also noted by some scholars that verses 34-35 were not in the original but added later due to they interrupt Paul's message about prophecy. Do you also believe that the prophets could prophesy one after another, EXCEPT if a women received a prophecy?

About my hearing God's voice often, yes, I have been blessed and have been given all but two of the gifts of the gifts of 1 Cor. 12. He has even made the rain stop before arriving home or work and even the grocery store for the last ten years before I retired. I agree it may seem like a lot, but that is the truth and we are to testify of these things to strengthen faith in others about God, not myself. There are verses that will pop in my head regarding divine protection and come to pass that day. God is real and we CAN depend on Him for our security both on earth and for our place in heaven.

I don't know you from Adam, or should I say Eve, and you give a testimony of seeing a white glow around a pastor who is preaching and a black billowing cloud emanating from another pastor - and you expect me to accept that as being from God??? Again, the word of God says "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." The word of God commands me to test what's coming out of your mouth and everyone's mouth. And he commands all Christians to do the same. How can I do that? First, by comparing what is said to the truth in the word - does it contradict the word? - is there any precedent set in the word for what is being said? - is the person speaking obeying or disobeying God, by even speaking those words? - Does that person and his or her words produce good fruit, which honors God?

You said that God told you, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." You said that you've seen visions since 1977 and in that year you were given the gift of hearing His voice and that He speaks with you frequently.

Paul said that women can teach younger women but he did not allow them to teach or to exercise authority over men. So that voice could not have been God. If it was God, He is contradicting what He told Paul - and God does not contradict Himself.

You've seen visions for 47 years, more than any other person in the Bible - you don't give a number but you do imply that they are numerous. So no, I don't believe all those visions were from God. If the number of visions you have received is far more than any person in the Bible, you would have to be greater than Daniel, Peter, Paul and John -all of which saw relatively few. Sorry, but you're not greater than those men.

Also in 1977, your were given the "gift" of hearing His voice - There's no such gift mentioned in scripture, so no, I don't believe God gave you such a "gift". Also Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice." So all believers hear His voice, so why would you or anyone need a "gift" to hear Him?

You said that He speaks with you frequently. In the Bible, God spoke with nobody frequently, except Jesus Himself and the prophets. Even Abraham waited, in some cases, years, before He heard from God again. Unless you're a prophetess on the level of the Old Testament prophets, I don't believe God is speaking with you "frequently".

God has made the rain stop for the last ten years? Now you're getting really bizarre - you're sounding like the Word of Faith teachers, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Andrew Wommack.

Again, I don't doubt that you have seen and heard things, but they can't be from God.

 

[charismaticlady]

I don't know you from Adam, or should I say Eve, and you give a testimony of seeing a white glow around a pastor who is preaching and a black billowing cloud emanating from another pastor - and you expect me to accept that as being from God??? Again, the word of God says "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." The word of God commands me to test what's coming out of your mouth and everyone's mouth. And he commands all Christians to do the same. How can I do that? First, by comparing what is said to the truth in the word - does it contradict the word? - is there any precedent set in the word for what is being said? - is the person speaking obeying or disobeying God, by even speaking those words? - Does that person and his or her words produce good fruit, which honors God?

You said that God told you, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." You said that you've seen visions since 1977 and in that year you were given the gift of hearing His voice and that He speaks with you frequently.

Paul said that women can teach younger women but he did not allow them to teach or to exercise authority over men. So that voice could not have been God. If it was God, He is contradicting what He told Paul - and God does not contradict Himself.

You've seen visions for 47 years, more than any other person in the Bible - you don't give a number but you do imply that they are numerous. So no, I don't believe all those visions were from God. If the number of visions you have received is far more than any person in the Bible, you would have to be greater than Daniel, Peter, Paul and John -all of which saw relatively few. Sorry, but you're not greater than those men.

Also in 1977, your were given the "gift" of hearing His voice - There's no such gift mentioned in scripture, so no, I don't believe God gave you such a "gift". Also Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice." So all believers hear His voice, so why would you or anyone need a "gift" to hear Him?

You said that He speaks with you frequently. In the Bible, God spoke with nobody frequently, except Jesus Himself and the prophets. Even Abraham waited, in some cases, years, before He heard from God again. Unless you're a prophetess on the level of the Old Testament prophets, I don't believe God is speaking with you "frequently".

God has made the rain stop for the last ten years? Now you're getting really bizarre - you're sounding like the Word of Faith teachers, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Andrew Wommack.

Again, I don't doubt that you have seen and heard things, but they can't be from God.

Friend, I can't sin. My conscience is well developed and the benefits of not sinning are all my prayers are answered - 100%. I abide in Christ, but even better is He abides in me. And John says in that case Satan cannot touch me. 1 John 5:18.

I did ask God why He chose me as one of His teachers if I couldn't teach everyone and quoted Paul. He spoke to me again and answered my question.

 

[dwight92070]

Oh my goodness, you are SO deceived. We ALL sin, including you. In fact, to lie to yourself and to others, in saying you can't sin, is a sin itself, because it is false. James said, "We all stumble (sin) in many ways." Satan is not only touching you, he has "moved in and set up shop". You're not hearing the voice of God, you're hearing Satan or his demons.
It's amazing how quickly "God" "answers" you. It's almost as if you could carry on a conversation with Him at any time. Kenneth Hagin said the same thing - He had several "conversations with Jesus". Just like you, he was deceived. As I said before, you are experiencing first hand the DANGERS of "listening" to physically hear His voice. God is not obligated to answer you or me immediately, especially not by allowing you to physically hear a voice. Satan, on the other will speak to you to lure you into dabbling with evil spirits. God will answer when He wants to - it could be a week or a year. I hear His voice through His word and sometimes thoughts that enter my head. I have NEVER heard His voice physically. Obviously, He could speak to me or you anytime He wants to. But the truth is, and this is Biblical, to hear His voice physically is extremely rare. So if you say He speaks to you frequently, you are hearing satan or one of his demons, not God. May God deliver you from such horrific deception!
As the former follower of Sid Roth said, you are dangerously involved in the occult, just like he is.

 

[dwight92070]

Is this not an example of why Paul instructed women to not teach or exercise authority over men? Paul plainly told us that Eve was deceived, not Adam. This is also an example of devaluing the words of Paul as just "his opinion", when even John called Paul's words "scripture". Remember Abraham listened to his wife too, and took Hagar as a wife - look how that turned out.

Is Paul a misogynist? Does he hate women? Of course not, he loves them enough to tell them the truth. Jesus chose 12 MEN as His apostles. Was He a misogynist? Did He hate women? Of course not, He died for them, and appointed Paul and the 12 apostles to speak the truth to His church. Consequently, their words are just as authoritative as Jesus' words. To dismiss anything they said as nothing more than just their opinion is to reject God's word.

 

[charismaticlady]

Oh my goodness, you are SO deceived. We ALL sin, including you. In fact, to lie to yourself and to others, in saying you can't sin, is a sin itself, because it is false. James said, "We all stumble (sin) in many ways." Satan is not only touching you, he has "moved in and set up shop". You're not hearing the voice of God, you're hearing Satan or his demons.

Dwight, you have learned the impotent doctrine of church fathers like John Calvin. Here is what Jesus says to those doctrines of demons to keep you justifying your sin, and disbelieve the gospel of Christ. Revelation 3:1 “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead."

Here is the truth against your belief that even after accepting Christ you are still a sinner:

1 John 3:8-9
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 3 is talking about the first type of sin that Jesus takes away with the result of having eternal life. These are sins unto death known as the Ten Commandments. Immediately you have no desire to break any of them. If you are a thief and still want to steal, you are not born again. It is a simple test.

I remember back in 1977 after 30 years of going to church and finding myself in an affair with a married man that I had no power to stop after many times of turning away from this sin and failing, I gave up and told God that He would have to intervene and stop the affair because my "repentance" was false. I recognized how weak my flesh was and why I couldn't stop. God did. He heard my prayer and it was the first prayer in my entire life that He answered. Many things happened during this two week journey to salvation while I was heart broken. But to make this short, when God took away my sins unto death I literally felt a heavy weight lift out of me, and I was filled with His Spirit and all desire to sin was gone. Dwight, I could not sin.

There is another type of sin that remains, but they are not sins unto death, but sins NOT unto death. They have to do with the fruit of the Spirit. And like the first type of sin we must stay abiding in Him. That gives us the power to stay in the Spirit and free from sins unto death. But we receive another benefit from abiding in Jesus. Jesus starts maturing the fruit of the Spirit. Read 2 Peter 1:5-11. Now you see that once you are mature in ALL of the fruit of the Spirit you will NEVER STUMBLE.

2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[dwight92070]

Dwight, you have learned the impotent doctrine of church fathers like John Calvin. Here is what Jesus says to those doctrines of demons to keep you justifying your sin, and disbelieve the gospel of Christ. Revelation 3:1 “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead."

Here is the truth against your belief that even after accepting Christ you are still a sinner:

1 John 3:8-9
8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

1 John 3 is talking about the first type of sin that Jesus takes away with the result of having eternal life. These are sins unto death known as the Ten Commandments. Immediately you have no desire to break any of them. If you are a thief and still want to steal, you are not born again. It is a simple test.

I remember back in 1977 after 30 years of going to church and finding myself in an affair with a married man that I had no power to stop after many times of turning away from this sin and failing, I gave up and told God that He would have to intervene and stop the affair because my "repentance" was false. I recognized how weak my flesh was and why I couldn't stop. God did. He heard my prayer and it was the first prayer in my entire life that He answered. Many things happened during this two week journey to salvation while I was heart broken. But to make this short, when God took away my sins unto death I literally felt a heavy weight lift out of me, and I was filled with His Spirit and all desire to sin was gone. Dwight, I could not sin.

There is another type of sin that remains, but they are not sins unto death, but sins NOT unto death. They have to do with the fruit of the Spirit. And like the first type of sin we must stay abiding in Him. That gives us the power to stay in the Spirit and free from sins unto death. But we receive another benefit from abiding in Jesus. Jesus starts maturing the fruit of the Spirit. Read 2 Peter 1:5-11. Now you see that once you are mature in ALL of the fruit of the Spirit you will NEVER STUMBLE.

2 Peter 1:5-11
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. 10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

I reject John Calvin and his doctrine. So you are totally mistaken to associate me with him. Rev. 3:1? So you handpicked that verse to condemn me because I am telling you the truth? It's too bad you're not able to take correction.
1 John 3:8-9 That does not mean you have stopped sinning. It means you do not PRACTICE sin as a way of life. No man or woman, including you has ever stopped sinning totally.
I John 3 is a False test. The sinful flesh in us, yes even in you, will war against the Spirit until we/you die. As we walk in the Spirit, we resist and overcome, but nobody does it perfectly, not even you. Once again, you are deceived.
"You could not sin?" What an absolute demonic lie.
"You will never stumble?" That contradicts James. He said that we ALL stumble, including you, in many ways. Why do you think Jesus taught us to pray, "Forgive our sins, as we have forgiven others who sin against us?" He expects us to pray that daily, because He also said to pray, "Give us THIS DAY our DAILY bread", because He knows that we sin almost every day.
I don't justify my sin, I confess it and repent and ask His forgiveness daily.
You have no business teaching anybody, man or woman, since you are totally confused yourself.

 

[charismaticlady]

I reject John Calvin and his doctrine. So you are totally mistaken to associate me with him. Rev. 3:1? So you handpicked that verse to condemn me because I am telling you the truth? It's too bad you're not able to take correction.
1 John 3:8-9 That does not mean you have stopped sinning. It means you do not PRACTICE sin as a way of life. No man or woman, including you has ever stopped sinning totally.
I John 3 is a False test. The sinful flesh in us, yes even in you, will war against the Spirit until we/you die. As we walk in the Spirit, we resist and overcome, but nobody does it perfectly, not even you. Once again, you are deceived.
"You could not sin?" What an absolute demonic lie.
"You will never stumble?" That contradicts James. He said that we ALL stumble, including you, in many ways. Why do you think Jesus taught us to pray, "Forgive our sins, as we have forgiven others who sin against us?" He expects us to pray that daily, because He also said to pray, "Give us THIS DAY our DAILY bread", because He knows that we sin almost every day.
I don't justify my sin, I confess it and repent and ask His forgiveness daily.
You have no business teaching anybody, man or woman, since you are totally confused yourself.

We don't even have to know John Calvin's beliefs; what you believe about your sin is still Calvinism. It is everywhere! These are the last days. Just look around you. And the Antichrist will not come until we see the falling away comes first. You are preaching the lie and believe what you preach!

Lets see 1 John 3:9 your way about the Ten Commandments (vs. 4). "I don't practice murder. But as you see these dead bodies lying around my house, I may slip up once in a while." NO! I can't murder. That is the real truth. It is not part of my new nature!!! You believe what the Church of today teaches you about Jesus. That He left us with a sin nature, but read Romans 6:5-7. Our old man was the "sin nature."

John doesn't contradict Peter in any way. "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin." 1 John 1:7 is a Christian. Once we have the light, then we can walk in it. " But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin." So what "sins do we commit even when we are walking in the light? Peter tells us. 2 Peter 1:5-7 "But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. These are what Jesus tackles next as the author and finisher of our faith. All we have to do is abide in Him.

Dwight, Galatians 5:17 has a fault from the translators who believe as you have been taught. I had to pray about it and I asked God how the Spirit fights with our flesh like in Romans 7:25, "So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin," which are about those under the law before having the Holy Spirit, Romans 8:2, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death."

God immediately spoke and said, "the s is small." You see, the translators capitalized the s in Spirit. Major error!

 

[charismaticlady]

Oh my goodness, you are SO deceived. We ALL sin, including you. In fact, to lie to yourself and to others, in saying you can't sin, is a sin itself, because it is false. James said, "We all stumble (sin) in many ways." Satan is not only touching you, he has "moved in and set up shop". You're not hearing the voice of God, you're hearing Satan or his demons.
It's amazing how quickly "God" "answers" you. It's almost as if you could carry on a conversation with Him at any time. Kenneth Hagin said the same thing - He had several "conversations with Jesus". Just like you, he was deceived. As I said before, you are experiencing first hand the DANGERS of "listening" to physically hear His voice. God is not obligated to answer you or me immediately, especially not by allowing you to physically hear a voice. Satan, on the other will speak to you to lure you into dabbling with evil spirits. God will answer when He wants to - it could be a week or a year. I hear His voice through His word and sometimes thoughts that enter my head. I have NEVER heard His voice physically. Obviously, He could speak to me or you anytime He wants to. But the truth is, and this is Biblical, to hear His voice physically is extremely rare. So if you say He speaks to you frequently, you are hearing satan or one of his demons, not God. May God deliver you from such horrific deception!
As the former follower of Sid Roth said, you are dangerously involved in the occult, just like he is.

I know I am blessed with this amazing connection to God and His voice. As with you, it is not a physical voice. But all I have to do is ask a question to God and immediately the answer is planted in my head. Why can't you acknowledge His voice from your own thoughts? You would grow closer to Him and not sin either if you honored Him with this acknowledgement. For me, the answer is nothing I would have thought of on my own. And it is God and not Satan as you assume. I know this because I never am even tempted to sin. Satan is the tempter, but the reason I do not sin is found in 1 John 5:18, "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him."

 

[charismaticlady]

Is this not an example of why Paul instructed women to not teach or exercise authority over men? Paul plainly told us that Eve was deceived, not Adam. This is also an example of devaluing the words of Paul as just "his opinion", when even John called Paul's words "scripture". Remember Abraham listened to his wife too, and took Hagar as a wife - look how that turned out.

Is Paul a misogynist? Does he hate women? Of course not, he loves them enough to tell them the truth. Jesus chose 12 MEN as His apostles. Was He a misogynist? Did He hate women? Of course not, He died for them, and appointed Paul and the 12 apostles to speak the truth to His church. Consequently, their words are just as authoritative as Jesus' words. To dismiss anything they said as nothing more than just their opinion is to reject God's word.

By the way, you men had me in tears so I went to God and asked Him why He gave me the Office of Teacher if I could not teach everyone. He answered me immediately. So I will continue teaching on these forums. Of course, if you see no benefit from my wisdom from above you can always put me on ignore. But if you can hear God then pray and ask Him and let Him tell you the Truth.

 

[dwight92070]

You are deceived. In scripture, there is a very small number of people whom God answered immediately, yet you claim to be one of them. Even some of the prophets had to wait months, years, or even decades for an answer. Obviously, Jesus could communicate with Him - it appears - anytime He wanted, and no wonder - He was God in the flesh.
But your claim is bogus. You might be hearing a voice, but it is not God. Once again, no one is able to completely stop sinning, so you are misinterpreting scripture. "Whoever is born of God does not sin ..." is not to be taken literally. It means "does not practice sin". Just like when Jesus said that if anyone comes to Him and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters and even his own life, he cannot be His disciple. This is not literal. It means that we should love Him more than all of our family, and even our own self. Since your "wisdom from above" contradicts Paul's teaching, it is not from above.

 

[charismaticlady]

You are deceived. In scripture, there is a very small number of people whom God answered immediately, yet you claim to be one of them. Even some of the prophets had to wait months, years, or even decades for an answer. Obviously, Jesus could communicate with Him - it appears - anytime He wanted, and no wonder - He was God in the flesh.
But your claim is bogus. You might be hearing a voice, but it is not God. Once again, no one is able to completely stop sinning, so you are misinterpreting scripture. "Whoever is born of God does not sin ..." is not to be taken literally. It means "does not practice sin". Just like when Jesus said that if anyone comes to Him and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters and even his own life, he cannot be His disciple. This is not literal. It means that we should love Him more than all of our family, and even our own self. Since your "wisdom from above" contradicts Paul's teaching, it is not from above.

From what you said earlier you also can hear God speak to you, so why such a doubting Thomas or dwight? Or is it that you don't hear God speaking to you after all so that is why you doubt my hearing Him?

One of the keys to hearing His voice is not sinning. And as I said before, I don't murder even once let alone not practice murdering.

 

[dwight92070]

I don't think you even know what Calvinism is, do you? If you do, please tell me.

You said, "I know this because I never am even tempted to sin."

Matthew 4:1 "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."

Okay, so Jesus was tempted - but you never are??

You are steeped in deception. Please, don't teach anyone or you'll take them away from God completely, like you yourself are.

The primary way any of us are to hear God, is to read His word. On rare occasions God seems to put thoughts in my head, but those have to be tested against scripture, as to whether they agree with the word or not.

You said "One of the keys to hearing His voice is not sinning."

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8

You are deceiving yourself and you have no truth in you.

 

[charismaticlady]

I don't think you even know what Calvinism is, do you? If you do, please tell me.

You said, "I know this because I never am even tempted to sin."

Matthew 4:1 "Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."

Okay, so Jesus was tempted - but you never are??

You are steeped in deception. Please, don't teach anyone or you'll take them away from God completely, like you yourself are.

The primary way any of us are to hear God, is to read His word. On rare occasions God seems to put thoughts in my head, but those have to be tested against scripture, as to whether they agree with the word or not.

You said "One of the keys to hearing His voice is not sinning."

"If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8

You are deceiving yourself and you have no truth in you.

can you please use the reply button so we get an "alert."

We are no fun to the devil when we don't fall for His tricks. Satan went away after he unsucessfully couldn't tempt Jesus. And he has gone away from me too.

Which is truth.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." Or
1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

Maybe this will help. 1 John 2:4 "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

How much sin is taken away after you confess your sins in 1 John 1:9 " If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Is 1 John 1:8 now true for this person?

 

[dwight92070]

can you please use the reply button so we get an "alert."

We are no fun to the devil when we don't fall for His tricks. Satan went away after he unsucessfully couldn't tempt Jesus. And he has gone away from me too.

Which is truth.
1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us." Or
1 John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

Maybe this will help. 1 John 2:4 "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

How much sin is taken away after you confess your sins in 1 John 1:9 " If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Is 1 John 1:8 now true for this person?

1 John 1:8 and 3:9 are both true - of course, all of God's word is true. But if you take the words literally, then they contradict each other. That's why we must understand what the writer means. For example in 1 John 3:9, when John says "sin", he is speaking of "sin as a way of life" (or continually). He does not sin continually - he cannot sin as a way of life, because he has been born of God.
When Solomon was praying and dedicating the temple in 1 Kings 8:46, he said this: "When they sin against You (for there is no man who does not sin) and You are angry at them ...."

Being righteous and pure, which is what God wants us to be, does NOT mean we never sin. 1 John 1:7 tells us what that means: "but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us."
If you think that you no longer sin, you're actually saying that you no longer need the blood of Jesus to cleanse you.

How much sin is taken away after we confess our sins? 1 John 1:9 All the sins that we have committed up to that point. No. the Bible does not promise that our future sins are forgiven, until we also confess those. How do we know that? The same verses in 1 John make that clear. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just ......" How is it possible to confess sins that we have not committed yet? It's not.

Our relationship with Jesus is likened to a marriage in the Bible. If I asked my wife to forgive me for something I did a week ago, knowing my wife, she would probably forgive me. But if I say to her: "I'm just going to ask you to forgive me NOW for all the sins that I will ever commit during the rest of our married life."
What would she say? Probably something like "Go pound sand!" There's no way she's going to forgive me today, for sins I'll commit tomorrow or a year from now, etc. If she did, that would be like giving me a blank check to sin against her as much as I want - because she already forgave me. What a terrible marriage that would be!

Even so, God expects us to go to Him as soon as we are aware of our sin - sometimes we sin without realizing it at the time - seek His forgiveness and restore our love for Him.

In the Lord's prayer, we see that we are to ask God's forgiveness for our sins DAILY. How do we know that? Because in the same prayer, He says: "Give us this DAY our DAILY bread." Matthew 6:11-12 So He wants us to pray daily, using the Lord's prayer as a pattern, and ask His forgiveness for our sins each day.

 

[charismaticlady]

1 John 1:8 and 3:9 are both true - of course, all of God's word is true. But if you take the words literally, then they contradict each other.

The difference between the people described in these two verses is 1 John 1:8 is a sinner, and 1 John 3:9 is not. The difference between the two is Jesus. In fact, 1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 are all sinners. They have never confessed their sins and been cleansed of all unrighteousness. 1 John 3:9 is because Jesus has cleansed our NATURE from sins unto death preventing committing sins unto death in our future. Peter shows us that those born again now partake of the DIVINE NATURE of God.

How much sin is taken away after we confess our sins? 1 John 1:9 All the sins that we have committed up to that point. No. the Bible does not promise that our future sins are forgiven, until we also confess those. How do we know that? The same verses in 1 John make that clear. "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just ......" How is it possible to confess sins that we have not committed yet? It's not.

1 John 3:4 and 5 shows the type of sin Jesus takes away from our nature. Peter again shows the type of sin that is left - immature fruit. 2 Peter 1:5-7.

Jesus is the author and finisher of both types of sin - from faith to faith - from glory to glory. The first is not a process, but immediate. The second is a process but active as long as we are abiding in Him. Our abiding in Him is the KEY to our eventual salvation and we will never hear the words "Depart from Me, I never knew you." Matthew 7:19-23.

 

[dwight92070]

This is why you should not be teaching. John is writing to believers, not unbelievers. Yes, even believers are capable of lying to themselves - like you are, in saying that you no longer sin. In the same way, we are capable (even though we don't want to) of other sins as well.
Being spiritually immature is not a sin, unless you stay that way long after becoming a believer. And if you continue to believe that you cannot sin, you will not grow.