jeremiah1five
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That's too bad. You might read God's Word daily but you neither understand it nor accept it as true.
Is anyone else a Seer?
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SteveB
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Atoms this point, you're the last person who would know.
Bob Carabbio
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I have no gifts at the present time. If I'm burdened later to interpret, or speak prophetically (or raise somebody from the dead), then I will. simple as that.What verses in 1 Corinthians point to the gifts being temporary during this covenant? Nothing changes during a covenant. Covenants 101.
We should get together as a complete ministry. Your two gifts are the two I don't have!
jeremiah1five
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Super duper dudeski. Righty-o-daddy-oski. You keep believing that.
SteveB
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I am.
Remember,
You're the one who needs Gentiles to stoke the fires of hell.
The Jesus described in the Bible saves all who believe in him.
jeremiah1five
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First, there is no fire in "hell." "Hell" is the grave, and fire is an element particular to creation, not eternity. There is no "fire" in eternity which is the final destination of all souls.
But what does exist in eternity is either "comfort" in the Presence of God:
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. Luke 16:25.
The "torment" is being separated from God. And the sensation that is felt is that it stings to be separated from God:
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is (unatoned) sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 1 Co 15:53–56.
And unatoned sin means total separation from God. The sting is so pronounced that "in time" it begin to feel like fire.
Have you ever been stung by a bee? The sting is pronounced that it feels like someone put a freshly extinguished match upon the skin. It is not fire, but the sting is such that it feels like fire.
And "all that believe" in Him are ALL Israel [that is] saved.
...but the children of the promise (those in covenant: the Hebrew people) are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rom. 9:8–13.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom. 11:26–27.
And it is written in Jeremiah 31:31-34. God's covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:34.
This is salvation 101. It is basic teaching, and you don't understand it because you are infected by false Gentile theology.
Learn something.
SteveB
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That would indeed explain why the rich man was having a problem.
Luk 16:24 WEB He cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame.’
So, by all means.... if the rich man died, and lifted up his eyes in hell, begging for mercy... this clearly is fire in Sheol.
i suppose that's why it's referred to as the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 WEB But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Of course. You are d'man, and all knowledge and wisdom and understanding lies with you, and there's no possibility that you can be wrong.
Which would definitely explain why Jesus quoted Isaiah 66:24, in Mark 9, three times when warning about the dangers of sin, and the importance of escaping from our sin.
Isa 66:24 Tanakh-1917 And they shall go forth, and look Upon the carcasses of the men that have rebelled against Me; For their worm shall not die, Neither shall their fire be quenched; And they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. And it shall come to pass, That from one new moon to another, And from one sabbath to another, Shall all flesh come to worship before Me, Saith the Lord.
Mar 9:43-48 WEB 43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having your two hands to go into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire, 44 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 45 If your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life lame, rather than having your two feet to be cast into Gehenna, into the fire that will never be quenched— 46 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’ 47 If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out. It is better for you to enter into God’s Kingdom with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into the Gehenna of fire, 48 ‘where their worm doesn’t die, and the fire is not quenched.’
How convenient for you.
You escape, while Gentiles suffer torment.
Oh, I've learned a lot from you.And unatoned sin means total separation from God. The sting is so pronounced that "in time" it begin to feel like fire.
Have you ever been stung by a bee? The sting is pronounced that it feels like someone put a freshly extinguished match upon the skin. It is not fire, but the sting is such that it feels like fire.
And "all that believe" in Him are ALL Israel [that is] saved.
...but the children of the promise (those in covenant: the Hebrew people) are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rom. 9:8–13.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. Rom. 11:26–27.
And it is written in Jeremiah 31:31-34. God's covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:34.
This is salvation 101. It is basic teaching, and you don't understand it because you are infected by false Gentile theology.
Learn something.
According to you, and your twisted theology, Gentiles stoke the fires of hell.
Unless of course you get offended by the idea of fire, because it describes the magnitude of suffering, then you downplay it to comfort.
You are indeed a dangerous and untrustworthy person.
charismaticlady
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Bob, if you operated in a gift in your past, you still "have" that gift as the gifts of God are irrevocable, Romans 11:29
How long do you read the Word each day? Like, how many chapters do you study? I like to read a whole book so I can keep it in context. I do this to stay IN Jesus. Also, I've recently seen John use another "key" word like he did in 1 John 1 and 2. That was "say" as a negative in contrast to "walk" which is positive. In his gospel he used the word, "give" that points only to the apostles, not those who aren't those 12. John 6, 10 and 17. It is only referring to the apostles who were predestinated and cannot be "snatched" out of God's hand, and is not a doctrine about all Christians.
I received a new revelation today, a rhema, as I was listening to a Christian talk radio station today. It was on binding and losing in Matthew 16. Again it was given to the apostles and not us. We can't use that for binding and loosing the devil like some do. Whatever doctrines the apostles teach as commands for the church will be binding in heaven, and whatever liberties they give to us, we shall be freed from those laws in heaven like in Acts 15.
I don't know why I'm sharing all this with you. I feel like I'm just rattling on and on. That's what I get for being alone too long. LOL
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jeremiah1five
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Being separated from God is a very serious problem, but better him than me.
Notice he says "flame" not fire. Like "cough" is not the respiratory condition but a symptom, so is flame a symptom of fire. But again, when one transits from time-space into eternity the only eternity is God. Heaven is not a place but a Person. Eternalness is an attribute of God and God does not share His glory. To be "hid in Christ" or "in the Spirit" means to be [back] in God but now with a body comparable to Jesus' body. It is a spiritual body, and we are transformed, actually, conformed, into the image of Christ ("Anointing.") Eternal is not a place. Eternal is God Himself. And for the people of God so conformed into the image of the Spirit because God is Spirit - NOT "a" Spirit but IS Spirit, we are changed from the temporal and material into the eternal and spiritual and return back into God who contemplated His saved people as saved beings and in His Mind are now after creation of the universe has served its purpose are brought into the Trinity/Godhead but this time with a spiritual body like unto Christ.
And those separated from God? One of the four elements of created matter is "fire" and fire is particular to creation. The "fire tetrahedron" (heat, fuel, oxygen, chemical chain reaction) only exists in creation, not in God. God doesn't require oxygen to live or exist. Part of creation required "fire" for it is ordained by God. But it is created. If you extinguish one of those elements it ceases to exist. Where does the fire go when extinguished? But the unatoned "rich man" was in a flame, not in a fire. Flame is a symptom of fire. Flame is what you get when something burns and is consumed. There was no consuming of the bush where the Presence of God was.
2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. Exodus 3:2.
Now, I can see what Moses saw. There was the bush, combustible material which had oxygen, heat, etc., everything for which is necessary for a fire to burn and exist and yet the bush was not consumed. But look at what happens here:
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev. 20:9.
One is eternal (bush) the other is temporal (fire that devoured/consumed.) God doesn't have a respiratory organ to breathed so the fire did not consume the bush because God represented as fire was of the eternal sort and not temporal. So, when all is said and done, the wicked have been judged and they are eternally separated from God, then the fire in Luke of which the rich man experienced is not the fire of the temporal - meaning it was not temporal fire that consumed, then the fire is not physical fire. So, since he was experiencing his sin unatoned, then the fire is not a real fire. So, something else is going on. My position is that it is not a fire, but a sting based upon 1 Corinthians 15:54-56
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 1 Co 15:54–56.
So, the rich man is not in an actual fire. But it feels like a fire because of the eternal STING of unatoned sin which is the sensation of being separated from God.
SEE ABOVE. The Law of God/Moses exacerbates the sting of sin, unatoned sin. And unatoned sin results in separation from God represented by the "great gulf" between those in God and COMFORTED and those in torments of the sting.
Correct-o-mundo. I don't take my theology from religious books or Gentile theologies like you do. I take my understanding from the Word of God.
Do you understand the "worm that doesn't die"? Explain that to me.
It's not a real fire because it's not taking place in creation where everything is physical.
That's what the Word of God says. Those that are atoned are with God and comforted, those not atoned suffer the STING of death. It only "feels" like a fire/flame but it doesn't exist in eternity where a gulf has separated the Hebrews from Gentiles. The rich man was Gentile. The beggar was Hebrew. Under Roman occupation they regulated Israel's economy and had all the money.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 1 Co 15:54–56.
While you regurgitate false Gentile teaching from Gentile men's books, I take my theology from the Word of God, and I can tell you've never studied or even considered what the STING of death is and why the Law causes its STING.
You see the word "fire/flame" and look at it from the perspective of man and not the perspective of the Eternal God. You look at Scripture (which is spiritual) because it is eternal - yes, ETERNAL for all of you that teach the Law is "abolished" or "obsolete." This passage above proves the Law is not abolished or obsolete when in death and in eternity it still serves a purpose: Convicting the unatoned sinner of their sin of not being elect of God - Like the Hebrew people in covenant with God.
SteveB
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Rather curious that you're claiming the Bible is false Gentile teaching from Gentiles men's books.
Well, since you obviously believe you know everything about everything, there's nothing to discuss.
jeremiah1five
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charismaticlady
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Didn't you know that NOTHING changes during a COVENANT? This is the covenant of the Spirit, and His gifts are part of our covenant. If you don't see gifts in your life doesn't mean that others don't either.
This newest gift I received as soon as I prayed for God to give it to me is extremely supernatural. No one around me is seeing what I am seeing. Then I reread a prophecy given to me in 2001 and one of the last lines said, "an may your eyes be opened by the Spirit of God." That blew me away. I read that line as if I had never seen it before even though of course I had. It became a rhema and was now alive in me.
So are you no longer a Pentecostal? I thought I had noticed that you were.
Bob Carabbio
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Nothing changes during a "Covenant", however your OPINION of how a "Covenant" (or how the Gifts (charisma) operate is unimportant. I'm a "Pentecostal" now as I ever was. my present AG Church doesn't permit anybody they don't know (including me) to manifest gifts on service, and I haven't been burdened to do so.
civic
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So you feel God moving you but then you are prohibited by the church to use what God is moving you to say or do ?
Bob Carabbio
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There hasn't been an issue so far that would put me in opposition to their preferences. Generally the same folks speak in tongues, and if they don't interpret themselves, the Senior pastor is consistently the "Interpreter", which is fine by me. When your congregation is LARGE (500 plus) some procedural considerations are good.
charismaticlady
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I don't go by my opinion. I spend time listening, and receiving the truth from the Holy Spirit. As for Covenants 101 everyone knows that, or at least should from Jesus declaring that not a jot or a tittle will be removed until all is fulfilled.
dwight92070
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People giving sermons in the Bible are never tested by so called prophets who "see" a white glow or black clouds coming out of them. They know whether the sermon is correct or false by what they say. Jesus said that to seek more than that is evil. "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign (a miracle)." Matthew 16:4 Paul said to "desire earnestly to prophesy" so that "all may learn and all be exhorted", not to desire bizarre supernatural experiences. 1 Cor. 14:31, 39
Such signs are not gifts from God. I do discern a spirit behind it, but it's not the Holy Spirit. How do I know? By their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:17, 20 A bad tree bears bad fruit. "So then, you will know them by their fruits."
Sid Roth was mentioned favorably, but he himself produces bad fruit - he is constantly looking for signs, miracles and sensationalism to impress Christians and gain a following. Jesus nor the apostles did this. Again, Jesus said, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign." We are NOT to be constantly looking for miracles, especially "miracles" that have no likeness whatsoever to the miracles in the Bible.
Sid Roth Roth seeks "the most outrageous claims of works of God" to entertain people. This from a former follower of his. He also said that Sid "embraces and promotes the infiltration of the occult into the Christian church", that "he is a spiritual entrepreneur and opportunist always looking for bigger and better things to catapult his spiritual sideshow into the limelight."
Sid Roth is a false teacher worth about $16 million.
CharismaticLady was "given the gift of hearing His voice in 1977, when she was thirty years old"??? Really? Please show us where that "gift" is mentioned in the Bible. She also says that she has seen visions since 1977??? Wow, she's seen more visions than anyone recorded in scripture, including the apostle Paul. I don't doubt that she hears a voice or that she sees visions, but it's not God's voice, nor are they visions from God.
She said that God spoke to her and said, "I'm giving you the office of teacher." Well, God must have forgot that Paul said, "I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression." 1 Tim. 2:12-14 Here we see the consequences of what happens to a woman who ignores the instruction of Paul - and really a command of Jesus Himself, because Jesus gave the apostles His authority.
If Jack Hayford did what she said - shame on him! He did not have the authority to violate scripture on her behalf. Whenever someone says, "He speaks to me frequently.", you know they are not hearing God's voice. (especially because she is NOT speaking about hearing God speak through His word}. You can count on one hand the list of people in the Bible to whom God spoke frequently. Okay, if you count the prophets, maybe two hands.
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charismaticlady
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Here is a prophecy given to me back in Memorial Day weekend, 2001. When I first received it I was married and living in a small village (2,500 people) in the mountains of Arizona. It was on tape and I listened to it all the way home (8 hr. drive) and couldn't see how any of it could come to pass, but knew better than to discount it with a knee jerk reaction of unbelief as you have done, but to just "put it away on the shelf, so to speak." But as soon as I got home it started to unfold. I was greeted with the news that my husband was having an affair with the wife of his best friend and wanted a divorce. God knew he would never repent, therefore released me from my abusive marriage. I had already told God that I was not going to divorce him and would stay even if he killed me. I was not going to sin against God, and at that point didn't know about the affair. So much for it "not being from God"! (Also, on the way to this yearly conference called Spirit-filled Living Conference, while driving through the desert, I heard God say, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." When I arrived in California I told Jack Hayford about it and asked him as my spiritual father to anoint me for the office. He did.) Now more than 20 years later it has all come to pass, even supernatural sight. But I see you have a problem believing about hearing God's voice. Ever hear of Word of Wisdom, Word of Knowledge, Prophecy and Interpretation of Tongues? They all have to do with supernatural hearing that those around you can't hear.
I RELEASE YOU
I release you. I release you into all that God has for you.
And that you would be moved into a large place.
And God would begin to set you in, and set your feet in, and plant you in, and reposition you in this large place He is placing you,
And that there you would take responsibility to enlarge yourself, do the things the Lord our God has called you to do
And that there you would make yourself available to be among those new breed of trailblazers God is going to raise up.
And that you would be a woman who forgets the past; drop it off; drop off everything of the past (denominational doctrines of man.)
And then embrace the new, (God’s own doctrines from hearing His voice)
That your eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God,
That you would see a road and a way in the wilderness for people as God has shown you a road and a way in your wilderness.
And that you would be a woman who sees rivers in the desert as God has provided rivers for you when you were in your dry places.
And it would require you to move to a new level of obedience.
Amen.
charismaticlady
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Have you ever asked God about Paul's letter to Timothy, whether or not that was a commandment from God or just Paul's opinion like in 1 Cor. 7 seeing as he said, "I do not allow..."
I did.
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charismaticlady
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Is your attack against me good fruit or bad fruit?
