Irresistible Grace

[brightfame52]

Your mind is leading you into falsehood. I promote salvation through faith.

Back to the subject, Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

 

[brightfame52]

As I noted you did not deal with the issue.

Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.

They could not be serious and have a zeal for God, but these did.

Paul had Zeal for God in his unconverted state Phil 3:5-7

5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

He probably had more zeal for God in his mind than the jews in Rom 10,

Yet he said at that time when he looks back he was lost and in unbelief 1 Tim 1

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13

who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 ;This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

See you cant be worshipping the True God in unbelief. Sure he had zeal for God in his darkened lost mine, but it was in ignorance of the true God.

But thank God the irresistible grace of God exceeding abundant to him bringing faith and love to him. That Grace gave him faith in the place of unbelief, and love to Christ and His people in the place of hate towards them,

 

[TomL]

Paul had Zeal for God in his unconverted state Phil 3:5-7

5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

He probably had more zeal for God in his mind than the jews in Rom 10,

Yet he said at that time when he looks back he was lost and in unbelief 1 Tim 1

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13

who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 ;This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

See you cant be worshipping the True God in unbelief. Sure he had zeal for God in his darkened lost mine, but it was in ignorance of the true God.

But thank God the irresistible grace of God exceeding abundant to him bringing faith and love to him. That Grace gave him faith in the place of unbelief, and love to Christ and His people in the place of hate towards them,

And contrary to your theology Paul had a zeal for God though ignorance

and God counted him faithful, putting him into the ministry;

 

[TomL]

Back to the subject, Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

 

[brightfame52]

And contrary to your theology Paul had a zeal for God though ignorance

While in unbelief! Gotcha

 

[brightfame52]

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

 

[TomL]

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Once again, will you address the falsehood you made?

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

 

[TomL]

While in unbelief! Gotcha

concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law,

Contrary to your theology, Paul had a zeal for God, and that is contrary to your doctrine of total inability.

 

[brightfame52]

Once again, will you address the falsehood you made?

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

 

[brightfame52]

concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law,

Contrary to your theology, Paul had a zeal for God, and that is contrary to your doctrine of total inability.

Christ saved paul from unbelief by exceedingly abundant Grace 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

We will be forever praising God for His Grace

 

[TomL]

Christ saved paul from unbelief by exceedingly abundant Grace 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

We will be forever praising God for His Grace

Paul already had a belief in God the Father. Your doctrine holds man cannot.

 

[TomL]

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Once again, will you address the falsehood you made?

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

 

[dwight92070]

Once again, brightfame52 is wrong. Paul told King Agrippa, "So King Agrippa, I did not prove disobedient to the heavenly vision." Acts 26:19

So Paul is obviously saying that he could have disobeyed Jesus, when Jesus appeared to him, but he chose to obey. God's grace did not force him to be saved.

As I said, your god is a puppetmaster, with Paul and all the rest of us being His puppets. Your god doesn't allow us free will.

Brightfame52, I just read about you in Romans 16:17-18:

"Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.

I, for one, will be turning away from you.

 

[brightfame52]

Paul already had a belief in God the Father. Your doctrine holds man cannot.

False because Christ and the Father are one:

Christ saved paul from unbelief by exceedingly abundant Grace 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

We will be forever praising God for His Grace

 

[brightfame52]

Once again, will you address the falsehood you made?

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power

 

[TomL]

Sauls conversion on that road shows the irresistble power of Grace. It made him out of a unbeliever to a believer, a servant Eph 3:7

7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power

Once again, will you address the falsehood you made?

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

Are you a person who knowingly presents falsehood and refuses to correct the falsehood you posted?

 

[TomL]

False because Christ and the Father are one:

Christ saved paul from unbelief by exceedingly abundant Grace 1 Tim 1:13-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

We will be forever praising God for His Grace

Where have you addressed this.

Paul already had a belief in God the Father. Your doctrine holds man cannot.

 

[brightfame52]

Are you not going to address your false claim that I believe in salvation by the law?

I already have. You advocate that unsaved jews with a zeal of God are believers in God Rom 10:

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

They didnt believe in God, God has always testified of His Son even in the OT Jn 5 46-47

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.

47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
How did they believe in God, believe God and reject Christ who is God.

They had a zeal of God but so does all false religions. It doesnt matter their ethnicity. They were lost religious jews with zeal.
I use to work with a guy, very relgious but he was a seven day adventis, taught the scriptures at his church and on local TV the gentleman had a zeal of God but was lost.
So if you believe religous lost jews who were zealous of God, believed in the True God, then you believe they were saved by their zeal of God in trying to keep the law.
And Im going to leave it at that, unless I havent understood you.
You said saul of tarsus had faith in God when he was lost, why
@TomL

Paul already had a belief in God the Father. Your doctrine holds man cannot.

 

[brightfame52]

Where have you addressed this.

Paul already had a belief in God the Father. Your doctrine holds man cannot.

I addressed it again, Paul was deceived and was a idolater before God converted him with irresistible abundant grace 1 Tim 1

So you are bearing false witness

 

[TomL]

I addressed it again, Paul was deceived and was a idolater before God converted him with irresistible abundant grace 1 Tim 1

So you are bearing false witness

Sorry but the false witness is always yours

Paul already had a belief in God the Father.

He had a zeal for him.

Your doctrine holds man cannot.