brightfame52
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They were ignorant of God. All serious religious, cults have a zeal of God, Jehovah witnesses, roman catholics, mormons so thats a very unlearned comment
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Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.
They could not be serious and have a zeal for God.
brightfame52
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Sorry Mormons/ and Jehovah witnesses are zealous for God, but they in darkness and ignorance
Again, the Jewish faith in God is contrary to your doctrine of total inability
brightfame52
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The jewish faith is Idolatry too, they were lost, as Paul prayed they might be saved Rom 10
How could they have believed in the True God and rejected the True God Jesus at the same time. They didnt recognize the voice of God ?? If they were true worshippers of God, they would have heard Jesus voice because He is God duh
John 8:43,47
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
So you say they worshipped the True God
Once again, you did not deal with the issue.
Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.
They could not be serious and have a zeal for God.
brightfame52
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You believe antichrist work/law keeping jews worshipped the True God. Paul renounced it as the jews religion once Jesus saved him Gal 1:13-14
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
You believe keeping the law for salvation makes you a Christian ?
As I noted you did not deal with the issue.
Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.
They could not be serious and have a zeal for God, but these did.
brightfame52
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You believe people who thought keeping the law were saved people.
You thought people who hated God in Christ, still Loved and Worshipped God, This is fascinating
You are mistaken as usual
As I noted you did not deal with the issue.
Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.
They could not be serious and have a zeal for God, but these did.
brightfame52
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You are mistaken to believe people who sought and seek Justification/Righteousness by the law are saved. In fact unless theyre elect they're under a curse, no matter how much zeal to God they have.
These folks thought they were saved, having zeal for Christ Matt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Sound like zeal to God to me
You are rather confused it the verses I posted contradict the Calvinist claim that all men are opposed to God
Sorry, but your Calvinist doctrine insists all must hate God and have no zeal for him.
You are rather confused it the verses I posted contradict the Calvinist claim that all men are opposed to God
But that zeal is contrary to what your doctrine holds men may have.
And once again my position is not that they are saved by seeking righteousness by the Law.
It's quite faulty that you distort what I hold.
brightfame52
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You believe unbelievers who keep the law for salvation are saved, incredible. Paul is praying that they might be saved Rom 10:1-4
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness
Is this what leighton flowers taught you ? He be saying stupid stuff similar to that when trying to out debate James White
You are far off. I deny unbelievers are saved. That is your theology which has an unbeliever regenerated contrary to scripture.
And I have posted the very opposite stating
Those who do not believe will not see life
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:18 The one who believes in him is not judged, but the one who does not believe has already been judged, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
Mark 16:16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.
John 8:24 Thus I said to you that you will die in your sins. For if you do not believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
1 John 5:10–13 (The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. The one who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified concerning his Son.) And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has the life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.
John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
So scripture refutes Calvinism’s belief that unbelievers may be given life so that they may believe.
brightfame52
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You promoting salvation by law keeping.
dwight92070
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You can lead a horse to water (I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing), but you can't make him drink (Therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live). Deuteronomy 30:19 The Father can draw men to Jesus, but even God will not make him believe. The man must do that of his own accord because God has given him the ability to choose. He even commands him to "choose life". Many, however, do not obey God's command to choose life, and are lost.
dwight92070
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No, salvation by "choosing life", not death.
Your promoting salvation by a puppet master, where the master controls the puppet. God is not a puppet master and we are not puppets.
Your mind is leading you into falsehood. I promote salvation through faith.
Justification, salvation, everlasting life are all by faith.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 10:9–10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Rom 1:16–17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Rom 3:22–24Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
Acts 13:38–39 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
It is rather sad you resorted to deception.
posted elsewhere
Faith precedes salvation
Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Rom 5:1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Heb 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
John 6:47 Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
Gal 2:16 nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
Rom 1:16–17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
Acts 15:11 But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.”
Titus 3:5–7 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life
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promoting salvation by law keeping.
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