brightfame52
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Once again you deny God's word
The power to salvation is in the gospel per God in his word.
That you continually deny God's word is a sad reality.
John 20:31 (NASB 95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1 Timothy 1:14–16 (NASB 95) — 14 and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. 15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
It's the faith of man that God blesses with eternal life
The gift is the indwelling of the Spirit and eternal life for those who believe.
Once again scripture reveals those who do not believe do not receive the gifts of the indwelling Spirit or salvation
The gospel is grace
Those who believe it are saved
Only those who first believe
John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Gal 3:26–27 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
Col 2:11–13 and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ; having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
The indwelling, the regenerated Spirit, is likewise received upon faith.
John 7:38–39 (NASB 95) — 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
Yeah, that is because, unlike you, he pays attention to all of it.
brightfame52
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Gods Power in Regeneration has nothing to do with preaching. Rom 1:16 isn't about regeneration
As I told you already, Grace made him a believing minister, Eph 3:7
Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
the word made is ginomai:
- to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
- to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
brightfame52
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No man can resist Gods Grace, its the effectual working of His omnipotent power Eph 3:7
brightfame52
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Yall not paying attention to Gods Grace, the effectual working of His Power Eph 3:7
: 7 whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power
Did saul of tarsus have a choice on whether or not he was going to become a believing apostle for Jesus Christ? Was it up to his freewill to reject that Grace?
Salvation is not mentioned there. Additionally, Paul was already a believer in God
Paul was struck by Christ, blinded and finally made able to see again.
Once again you deny God's word
The power to salvation is in the gospel per God in his word.
That you continually deny God's word is a sad reality.
John 20:31 (NASB 95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.
Romans 10:17 (LEB) — 17 Consequently, faith comes by hearing, and hearing through the word about Christ.
2 Timothy 3:15 (LEB) — 15 and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 (NASB 95) — 13 For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.
Romans 10:6–14 (NASB 95) — 6 But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7 or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.” 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?
Romans 1:16 (NASB 95) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1 Timothy 1:14–16 (NASB 95) — 14 and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. 15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.
It's the faith of man that God blesses with eternal life
The gift is the indwelling of the Spirit and eternal life for those who believe.
Finally God's grace is resisted here
Acts 7:51“You men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears are always resisting the Holy Spirit; you are doing just as your fathers did.
2 Cor 6:1And working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain—
Heb 12:15See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;
Matt 23:37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.
Luke 7:30But the Pharisees and the lawyers rejected God’s purpose for themselves, not having been baptized by John.
Isa 63:10But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them.
Heb 10:29How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?
You ignored his claim and what the bible actually states
Rom 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”
The gospel is the power of God that brings salvation
brightfame52
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He was made a servant/believer, that entails Salvation
brightfame52
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Gods Power in Regeneration has nothing to do with preaching. Rom 1:16 isn't about regeneration
As I told you already, Grace made him a believing minister, Eph 3:7
Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
the word made is ginomai:
- to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
- to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
Newsflash: those who first believe are regenerated.
John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And there is still nothing in your verse that advances unconditional election to salvation.
Again
Salvation is not mentioned there. Additionally, Paul was already a believer in God
Paul was struck by Christ, blinded and finally made able to see again.
What did you not understand?
Salvation is not mentioned there. Additionally, Paul was already a believer in God
Contrary to your belief in total inability
Paul was struck by Christ, blinded, and finally made able to see again.
brightfame52
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Eph 3:7 is about regeneration making a new creation
brightfame52
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He was made a servant/believer, that entails Salvation
TibiasDad
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I have no idea what that is supposed to mean! That being said, you keep running from the question previously posed, namely this:
“Where does this say we were made to believe against our will? Nowhere in scripture does being born again precede believing: quite the opposite! Believing or not believing is the pivot point between life and death, not God making us do something against our will in order to believe.”
You see, if what you say is true- that God must first make you born again in order to be able to believe- then that is necessarily the event that must happen first. But scripture never says that we are lost because God didn’t make it possible for us to believe, it says we are saved or lost only because we do or do not believe, period!
Furthermore, if we are condemned for not believing, then the ability to believe is a necessary prerequisite for one to be culpable for not believing. For instance it would be unjust to condemn a person for not being left handed if the person was born without a left arm! Likewise, it would be unjust to condemn someone for not believing if that wasn’t possible.
But God graciously gives us the opportunity and thereby the potential for belief by giving us something in which to believe-something that we are not worthy of and something that God does not have to do- making it gracious by definition.
Thus, grace always acts first by making belief possible and a potential, from that point Grace is self-subjected to the will of man to respond to what it has done. Grace has given us the power and potential to choose how to respond to it, and that is why belief becomes the pivot point of the equation. That is why belief alone is the reason why we are saved or lost!
Doug
Again he already believed in God. His experience meeting Christ, temporary blindness, and healing are behind his belief.
You ignore this.
Newsflash: Those who first believe are regenerated.
John 1:12–13 (NASB 95) — 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And there is still nothing in your verse that advances unconditional election to salvation.
One has to believe in Christ before being regenerated—that is, born again.
Eph 3:7 is about Paul being made an apostle, not about Paul being regenerated before coming to faith.
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