Irresistible Grace

[TomL]

Post 896 did you understand it ?

You ran from these

John 12:40 (LEB) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn, and I heal them.”

Luke 8:13 (LEB) — 13 And those on the rock are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, and these do not have enough root, who believe for a time and in a time of testing fall away.

Acts 28:27 (LEB) — 27 For the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they hear with difficulty, and they have shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

 

[brightfame52]

You ran from these

John 12:40 (LEB) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn, and I heal them.”

Luke 8:13 (LEB) — 13 And those on the rock are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, and these do not have enough root, who believe for a time and in a time of testing fall away.

Acts 28:27 (LEB) — 27 For the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they hear with difficulty, and they have shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

Grace reigns supreme via Jesus Christ and His Righteousness culminating in eternal life Rom 5:21 thats Gospel

 

[TomL]

Grace reigns supreme via Jesus Christ and His Righteousness culminating in eternal life Rom 5:21 thats Gospel

First you failed to address this

John 12:40 (LEB) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn, and I heal them.”

Luke 8:13 (LEB) — 13 And those on the rock are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, and these do not have enough root, who believe for a time and in a time of testing fall away.

Acts 28:27 (LEB) — 27 For the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they hear with difficulty, and they have shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

Second eternal life is granted only upon belief.

 

[brightfame52]

First you failed to address this

John 12:40 (LEB) — 40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their hearts and turn, and I heal them.”

Luke 8:13 (LEB) — 13 And those on the rock are those who receive the word with joy when they hear it, and these do not have enough root, who believe for a time and in a time of testing fall away.

Acts 28:27 (LEB) — 27 For the heart of this people has become dull, and with their ears they hear with difficulty, and they have shut their eyes, lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn, and I would heal them.”

Second eternal life is granted only upon belief.

Grace reigns supreme via Jesus Christ and His Righteousness culminating in eternal life Rom 5:21 that's Gospel

Jesus gives eternal life in order that they will believe, know the True God and Jesus Christ whom has been sent.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So when one actually believes in the True Jesus, not the false christ of arminianism, its evidence they have eternal life. Jesus said that here Jn 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

 

[brightfame52]

Preaching the Gospel of God's Grace, it reigns !

Acts 20:24

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

Rom 5:21

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

That's what Jesus Christ's Death is all about, causing Grace to reign unto Eternal Life through Christ, meaning through the accomplishment of His Person and Work.

To Preach the Gospel of God's Grace is to Preach that Grace does reign in Salvation. The word reign is the greek word basileuō and means:

to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign, metaph. to exercise the highest influence, to control.

First lets dispel the false teaching of Grace being offered for salvation, or made available for salvation, no scripture teaches that and its as ridiculous as saying death is offered to all men or made available to all men. For Grace, as Death is Sovereign in its administration, and yet Grace more so than death, because it gives Life where death had once ruled. The Life that Grace gives is of a much Higher Quality than that death overtook , Death did reign through adam, But Grace reigns through Righteousness, through the Righteousness of Christ's Obedience Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

This Righteousness of the One Christ takes into account His Life Obedience and Substitutionary Death unto the Law and Justice of God for all He Represented, and it reigns unto Justification of Life.

Now as to its Reign lets trace it to its commencement of Reigning, #1. Grace Reigns in our Eternal Election, for by it, Grace was Given the Elect in Christ Jesus before the World Began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose[of Election] and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

This is God's Purpose of Election Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

#2 Grace Reigns in Christ's Redemptive Death, for it brought Him here to die for the Election of Grace 2 Cor 8:9

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Heb 2:9

9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[Justified solely upon His Death]

#3 Grace Reigns in Our New Birth Titus 3:5

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy or Grace he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The Same thing is described as being Saved by Grace Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

#4 Grace Reigns in Believing on Christ Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Zech 12:10

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look[in Faith] upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Grace Reigns in all these blessed things unto Eternal Life , beginning in Eternity Past, before the World Began.

 

[TomL]

Grace reigns supreme via Jesus Christ and His Righteousness culminating in eternal life Rom 5:21 that's Gospel

Jesus gives eternal life in order that they will believe, know the True God and Jesus Christ whom has been sent.

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So when one actually believes in the True Jesus, not the false christ of arminianism, its evidence they have eternal life. Jesus said that here Jn 5:24

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Sorry eternal life is given to those who believe

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[brightfame52]

@TomL

Sorry eternal life is given to those who believe

Man is already in possession of eternal life when he believes. He had to be first passed from death to life. Thats why Jesus gives him eternal life, in order for them to believe in Himself

 

[TomL]

@TomL



Man is already in possession of eternal life when he believes. He had to be first passed from death to life. Thats why Jesus gives him eternal life, in order for them to believe in Himself

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[brightfame52]

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

 

[TomL]

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

You can't read

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[brightfame52]

You can't read

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

 

[TomL]

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

You got it backwards

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

 

[brightfame52]

You got it backwards

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead

 

[TomL]

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead

Sorry scripture shows belief precedes passing from death to life

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


and see

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

and shows you are not a bible believer

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry scripture shows belief precedes passing from death to life

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


and see

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

and shows you are not a bible believer

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead. Man believes through Grace, irresistible grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

 

[TomL]

Man is believing after having been passed from death unto life. Believing is a spiritual activity, it cant be performed spiritually while dead spiritually.

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead. Man believes through Grace, irresistible grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

You are still denying scripture

Sorry scripture shows belief precedes passing from death to life

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


and see

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

and shows you are not a bible believer

P:S

Acts 18:24–28 (LEB) — 24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, a native Alexandrian, arrived in Ephesus—an eloquent man who was well-versed in the scriptures. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and being enthusiastic in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things about Jesus, although he knew only the baptism of John. 26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately. 27 And when he wanted to cross over to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he assisted greatly those who had believed through grace. 28 For he was vigorously refuting the Jews in public, demonstrating through the scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.

shows nothing at all about irresistible grace and

The gospel pronouncement is grace

 

[JLB]

Grace reigns supreme via Jesus Christ and His Righteousness culminating in eternal life Rom 5:21 thats Gospel

Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28


The Holy Spirit can indeed be resisted.


“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Acts 7:51


Irresistible Grace is not a biblical doctrine.

 

[TomL]

Grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.

Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28


The Holy Spirit can indeed be resisted.


“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Acts 7:51


Irresistible Grace is not a biblical doctrine.

Indeed not. You are correct, grace is not irresistible.

 

[brightfame52]

You are still denying scripture

Sorry scripture shows belief precedes passing from death to life

Man passes from death to life when he believes

John 3:16For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.
John 5:24Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks at the Son and believes in him would have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 10:10–13 (LEB) — 10 For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. 13 For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”


and see

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

and shows you are not a bible believer

P:S

Acts 18:24–28 (LEB) — 24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, a native Alexandrian, arrived in Ephesus—an eloquent man who was well-versed in the scriptures. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and being enthusiastic in spirit, he was speaking and teaching accurately the things about Jesus, although he knew only the baptism of John. 26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained the way of God to him more accurately. 27 And when he wanted to cross over to Achaia, the brothers encouraged him and wrote to the disciples to welcome him. When he arrived, he assisted greatly those who had believed through grace. 28 For he was vigorously refuting the Jews in public, demonstrating through the scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.

shows nothing at all about irresistible grace and

The gospel pronouncement is grace

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead. Man believes through Grace, irresistible grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

 

[TomL]

Being passed from death to life is irresistible grace, man cant prevent being resurrected from the dead. Man believes through Grace, irresistible grace Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Sorry it is upon faith one is passed from death to life

John 20:31 (NASB95) — 31 but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name.

Some believe some don't so it is not irresistible

Nothing is stated about grace irresistibly causing men to believe. You are adding that which is not stated in the verse.

Galatians 1:6–9 (LEB) — 6 I am astonished that you are turning away so quickly from the one who called you by the grace of Christ to a different gospel, 7 not that there is a different gospel, except there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim a gospel to you contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let him be accursed! 9 As we said before, and now I say again, if anyone is proclaiming a gospel to you contrary to what you have received, let him be accursed!