Gods Inability to save

Since two verses later John tells us that the unbelievers in this world are condemned already, when do you think already started? Was it before the cross, before election and reprobation?
As Gen 2:17, Rom 6:23 and other passages tell us, we die and are condemned when we sin. Each person is condemned because of his own sin, not his father's, not his son's (Eze 18:20). So each person dies when he himself sins, and each person is condemned because of his own actions (2 Cor 5:10, Rom 2:6, Rev 20,13).
 
Sure it is, but hey u not alone, the Gospel is foolishness to multitudes of folk. Anyone with scripture understanding knows that the word for world, in a salvation context merely means, others outside of israel.
Indeed it does. But in the context, these passages are not talking about just some of the people outside of Israel. It says the "whole world"; it says "all people".
 
This is not what GOD told Rebecca...
Your opinion on what God told Rebecca is noted. Thank you.
Yet Lk 1:44 For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. seems to tell us that it was May's voice that he recognized...
That still doesn't indicate knowledge of good and evil.
I extrapolate political hubris because GOD told us that is why they were fighting.
No, He didn't. He told us that the two would become nations. And that they would fight each other even from before the patriarchs of those nations were born. There is nothing political about brothers fighting each other. Nor does this fighting before birth indicate a knowledge of good and evil.
 
Ok...this is not what "we must accept HIS offer of grace" usually sounds like.
anymore. than someone accepting the rescuers help to save them from something they are totally unable to help themselves with.

that person boasts in the rescuer not in self. they did nothing

Just like I boast in christ, not self. i did nothing.
 
HOW DOES A PERSON ENSLAVED TO SIN MAKE SUCH A RIGHTEOUS DECISION by his enslaved will?
You are living in the year 2025.

By the minor fact that you post on here either by computer or some cell device it is clear you are not living in a cave, without electricity, or any possibility of knowing what has gone on in the outside world.

By the fact that you are here, it is most likely that you are not over 100 years old therefore you have benefitted from books, magazines, photographs and hearing people talk.

I do not care how debased and enslaved into your sins you are unless you are deaf, and blind you cannot have escaped reading or hearing and even seeing on television, about " Jesus is the reason.

It may have been in your children first grade readers where the pictures would show a family walking to church in the snow.

But along the way there would have been somethings you would have seen... even if it was just the Salvation Army ringing their bells at Christmas time or standing outside the harness racing door entries.

And one would have to be totally strung out on drugs or drink constantly... with no break before they died... to avoid it being there.... and surly anyone with an IQ of a gnat at some point would want to at minimum ask what it was all about.

You ask " HOW DOES A PERSON ENSLAVED TO SIN MAKE SUCH A RIGHTEOUS DECISION
I am not copying this but want you to check out the link about Karla Faye Tucker..... One of the worst who found God before she was executed.
From the article:

She was executed by lethal injection on February 3, 1998. As the deadly chemicals were being administered, she praised Jesus Christ, licked her lips, looked at the ceiling, and hummed. She was pronounced dead at 6:45 p.m. C.S.T., eight minutes after receiving the injection.

The evidence is all around and at some point it has to spark a question in the minds of even the worst of the worst.

And from there decisions are made... some quick... some taking a lifetime....

Interesting article I read this AM on Richard Dawkins....

Famous Atheist Richard Dawkins Says He Considers Himself a ‘Cultural Christian’​

‘I love hymns and Christmas carols and I sort of feel at home in the Christian ethos, and I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense,’ said the British author of ‘The God Delusion.’

Richard Dawkins, founder of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, on Dec. 4, 2014, in Sydney, Australia. (photo: Don Arnold / Getty Images)
Walter Sánchez Silva/ACI Prensa/CNAWorldApril 3, 2024
The famous British atheist Richard Dawkins, author of the book The God Delusion, said in a recent interview that he identifies as a “cultural Christian” and prefers Christianity to Islam, although he clarified that he does not believe “a word” of the Christian faith.

In the interview with Rachel Johnson broadcast on March 31 on LBC, Dawkins said he was “slightly horrified” to learn that Oxford Street in London was promoting Ramadan, the Muslim month for fasting, instead of Easter.

Dawkins went on to explain: “I do think we are culturally a Christian country. I call myself a cultural Christian.”

“I’m not a believer, but there is a distinction between being a believing Christian and a cultural Christian,” Dawkins noted, adding: “I love hymns and Christmas carols and I sort of feel at home in the Christian ethos, and I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense.”

HE has made his decision, just like Mary Madeline O'Hare did here in the states, and never changed, yet her son became born again... and an eventual minister.
 
Rom 1:18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is forever worthy of praise! Amen.

32Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.

Do we suggest that they can know these things because GOD made them plain to them but not believe in them???

So, not all believers in the truth are saved... I think we must rework our language a little bit, eh?
in case you missed it

20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.

25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie,
32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things are worthy of death, they not only continue to do these things, but also approve of those who practice them.

1. They know
2. It is clearly seen, so as to be able to understand.
3. They exchange the truth. willingly.. they hide the truth in their heart.
 
When we chose to be sinners by choosing our first sin...Jn 8:34.
Why do you think Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it....
Was placed in the Bible?

OR Proverbs 13:24 He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.
 
You are living in the year 2025.

By the minor fact that you post on here either by computer or some cell device it is clear you are not living in a cave, without electricity, or any possibility of knowing what has gone on in the outside world.

By the fact that you are here, it is most likely that you are not over 100 years old therefore you have benefitted from books, magazines, photographs and hearing people talk.

I do not care how debased and enslaved into your sins you are unless you are deaf, and blind you cannot have escaped reading or hearing and even seeing on television, about " Jesus is the reason.

It may have been in your children first grade readers where the pictures would show a family walking to church in the snow.

But along the way there would have been somethings you would have seen... even if it was just the Salvation Army ringing their bells at Christmas time or standing outside the harness racing door entries.

And one would have to be totally strung out on drugs or drink constantly... with no break before they died... to avoid it being there.... and surly anyone with an IQ of a gnat at some point would want to at minimum ask what it was all about.

You ask " HOW DOES A PERSON ENSLAVED TO SIN MAKE SUCH A RIGHTEOUS DECISION
I am not copying this but want you to check out the link about Karla Faye Tucker..... One of the worst who found God before she was executed.
From the article:

She was executed by lethal injection on February 3, 1998. As the deadly chemicals were being administered, she praised Jesus Christ, licked her lips, looked at the ceiling, and hummed. She was pronounced dead at 6:45 p.m. C.S.T., eight minutes after receiving the injection.

The evidence is all around and at some point it has to spark a question in the minds of even the worst of the worst.

And from there decisions are made... some quick... some taking a lifetime....

Interesting article I read this AM on Richard Dawkins....

Famous Atheist Richard Dawkins Says He Considers Himself a ‘Cultural Christian’​

‘I love hymns and Christmas carols and I sort of feel at home in the Christian ethos, and I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense,’ said the British author of ‘The God Delusion.’

Richard Dawkins, founder of the Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, on Dec. 4, 2014, in Sydney, Australia. (photo: Don Arnold / Getty Images)
Walter Sánchez Silva/ACI Prensa/CNAWorldApril 3, 2024
The famous British atheist Richard Dawkins, author of the book The God Delusion, said in a recent interview that he identifies as a “cultural Christian” and prefers Christianity to Islam, although he clarified that he does not believe “a word” of the Christian faith.

In the interview with Rachel Johnson broadcast on March 31 on LBC, Dawkins said he was “slightly horrified” to learn that Oxford Street in London was promoting Ramadan, the Muslim month for fasting, instead of Easter.

Dawkins went on to explain: “I do think we are culturally a Christian country. I call myself a cultural Christian.”

“I’m not a believer, but there is a distinction between being a believing Christian and a cultural Christian,” Dawkins noted, adding: “I love hymns and Christmas carols and I sort of feel at home in the Christian ethos, and I feel that we are a Christian country in that sense.”

HE has made his decision, just like Mary Madeline O'Hare did here in the states, and never changed, yet her son became born again... and an eventual minister.
Great post!
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Indeed it does. But in the context, these passages are not talking about just some of the people outside of Israel. It says the "whole world"; it says "all people".
Again, propitiation for sin occurred for people outside of the jewish nation, it geographically encompasses the whole world. See even many saved jews were adverse towards Gods gracious dealing among the Gentiles/World. Even Peter as a saved jew, after the day of Pentecost after he preached, still thought gentiles were unclean See Acts 10. So the concept world was strongly emphasized as it pertain to scope of Christs Death. John was primarily a pastor/apostle to jews, his epistles would be to them Gal 2:7-9

7 ;But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

This pretty elementary to someone who has bible understanding. And the same goes for terms like all people, the emphasis is scope
 
Again, propitiation for sin occurred for people outside of the jewish nation, it geographically encompasses the whole world. See even many saved jews were adverse towards Gods gracious dealing among the Gentiles/World. Even Peter as a saved jew, after the day of Pentecost after he preached, still thought gentiles were unclean See Acts 10. So the concept world was strongly emphasized as it pertain to scope of Christs Death. John was primarily a pastor/apostle to jews, his epistles would be to them Gal 2:7-9

7 ;But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

This pretty elementary to someone who has bible understanding. And the same goes for terms like all people, the emphasis is scope
So you are limiting "all" in these cases to just "some". But when God says that "all" have sinned, that really does mean all? Or does that only mean "some" also?

You make an argument that would sound relatively reasonable to people with no Spiritual discernment, but to those in whom the Spirit lives and gives clarity to the Word, your argument is foolishness. It doesn't make any difference that Paul was an Apostle to the Gentiles, and Peter and John focused primarily on the Jews. What matters is that ANYONE in all the world who chooses to accept Jesus as Lord can be saved; not just Jews, not just some Gentiles, ANYONE!! And that means that Jesus didn't die just for some people, but for EVERYONE. God didn't love just some of the world, He loved EVERYONE. He loved us even while we were sinners, and everyone in the world is a sinner. He doesn't just love some sinners.
 
projecting since I reject your false teaching about the gospel.
I go by the word pas :

  1. individually
    1. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
  2. collectively
    1. some of all types/sorts
 
It's a perfectly valid critique to point out evasion.
I am guessing the irony of that statement was missed. Asking irrelevant questions is evasive. Posting lame explanations for irrelevant inquiries is also evasive.

I can and will answer and address all op-relevant questions with scripture and scripture rendered as objectively, as exegetically sound, as I can muster. The reason I do that is to avoid the evasive appeals to doctrinal, denominational, or sectarian affiliation. So stow that dross about the congregation I attend.




This op starts off with a profound falsehood: God's supposed inability. The assertion does not even warrant a response calling it a straw man because no one - no theology, no denomination, no indwelt Christian with a functioning brain - believes God is unable to do anything. Ask the op about his theological alignment if you wish to evade the discussion of the op but count me out of collaborating with that subterfuge.
 
Looks like you'll have to read §Romans 1:18-20 until you grasp the concept.
Looks like, yes, EVERYONE who ever lived can reply to God.

Even those who NEVER HEARD THE GOSPEL message.

Please reply to my 3 questions:

WHAT does this mean: SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE?
WHY are they WITHOUT EXCUSE?
WHO are "they"?


If you correctly reply to those 3 questions,
a whole new world will be opened up to you.

Notice the title of this thread: GOD'S INABILITY TO SAVE.

IOW,,,,God is NOT unable to save.
God can save anyone.
It's not up to Calvinism to decide who God saves or not....
God will let us know who is saved...
and He has done this troughout scripture.

Now...back to Romans 1:18-20
Please reply to my 3 questions.


BTW,,,I NEVER got a reply to my question as to why God does not save everyone
IF Paul states that God DESIRES to save everyone.

Yes. Some replies will repudiate Calvinism.
It's tough.
How can they reply if you have never heard of Him? LOL Still dodging. What of the millions throught history who never hear the gospel? Faith comes by hearing right???????

I answered all your questions. Do you have honesty issues? I mentioned your alleged proof texts in my last post.

Some replies? How about any relevant reply? LOL
 
How can they reply if you have never heard of Him? LOL Still dodging. What of the millions throught history who never hear the gospel? Faith comes by hearing right???????
They’ll hear the Gospel in the Millennium before the Great White Throne Judgment.

Jeremiah 31:31-34 (NKJV) 31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 32 “not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 “But this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 “No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
 
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