Favoritism in Unconditional Election

[brightfame52]

The bible says we are not saved by works. It does not say there is no condition we must meet.

Condition and work are the same, just synonyms

 

[synergy]

If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works

Nope. It's you being a Thankless Ingrate. Stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Huh? How can a gracious gift be due to me on condition that I accept it and not trash it? That nonsense warps the mind.

So, you admit faith is a gracious gift? Because if it's a required thing one does, then the reward/payment is due and it is no longer grace.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope. It's you being a Thankless Ingrate. Stop embarrassing yourself.

If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works

 

[civic]

Don't concede-

Since there is no case lol. Just presuppositions is all I’ve seen from the Calvinists

 

[civic]

So, you admit faith is a gracious gift? Because if it's a required thing one does, then the reward/payment is due and it is no longer grace.

Nope it’s the condition God has always placed in man. Belief saves, unbelief condemns .


Why don’t you believe Jesus below ?

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

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[brightfame52]

Nope it’s the condition God has always placed in man. Belief saves, unbelief condemns .


Why don’t you believe Jesus below ?

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

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If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works

 

[Johann]

Since there is no case lol. Just presuppositions is all I’ve seen from the Calvinists

@The Rogue Tomato has the freedom and right to state his case and beliefs and presuppositions as you have yours brother.

 

[civic]

If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works

You just denied John 3:16-18 the gospel as taught by Jesus.

Yikes

 

[civic]

@The Rogue Tomato has the freedom and right to state his case and beliefs and presuppositions as you have yours brother.

Sure does and it’s unbiblical

 

[praise_yeshua]

@The Rogue Tomato has the freedom and right to state his case and beliefs and presuppositions as you have yours brother.

No one is restricting anyone from doing anything. What is wrong with you?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Nope it’s the condition God has always placed in man. Belief saves, unbelief condemns .
Why don’t you believe Jesus below ?

John 3:16-18
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

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It is not stated as a condition, but as an identification. Those "whoever is believing" (a continual action) are the ones who shall not perish.

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him; 18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It is not stated as a condition, but as an identification. Those "whoever is believing" (a continual action) are the ones who shall not perish.

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him; 18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

In addition, "has been judged" is a completed action in the past.

 

[brightfame52]

You just denied John 3:16-18 the gospel as taught by Jesus.

Yikes

If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works. See works and conditions are the same, synonyms

 

[praise_yeshua]

If its of conditions you must meet, its no longer grace ! Its works

If faith is a work, then you worked for yours.

Are you really that lost in this?

There is no scenario where faith becomes a work. By definition. Faith is never a work.

 

[praise_yeshua]

In addition, "has been judged" is a completed action in the past.

Prejudged. I bet you've never done that have you?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Prejudged. I bet you've never done that have you?

Why do you continually make things about the person to whom you are responding?

 

[brightfame52]

In addition, "has been judged" is a completed action in the past.

The ones believing are the elect who have been chosen/ordained, appointed to eternal life Acts 13:48

 

[Johann]

No one is restricting anyone from doing anything. What is wrong with you?

What is wrong with you?

 

[praise_yeshua]

It is not stated as a condition, but as an identification. Those "whoever is believing" (a continual action) are the ones who shall not perish.

16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him; 18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Both of you are "begging the question".