Favoritism in Unconditional Election

[Rockson]

IF there is no condition for election, then there is no condition for non-election or reprobation...an untenable stance in that it denigrates GOD's self revelation as Love and Light.

Calvinism basically takes one down a dead end street where there's no where to go except to smash into a wall. The human mind can't work it's way in a rational way through it's claims and ever come to a place where it makes coherent sense.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

At those councils is where those doctrines and many other fundamental beliefs were nailed down.

But not necessarily reflecting the TRUTH. Just theologian's opinions.

 

[brightfame52]

The "U" in "Tulip" is misleading. God apparently has "criteria" that He applies before Drawing a person to Jesus. WE DON'T KNOW anything about that, however.

The U stands for Unconditional Election, its of Grace, stated stated here as election of grace Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[synergy]

But not necessarily reflecting the TRUTH. Just theologian's opinions.

So its "just theologian's opinions" to believe in the Divinity of Christ, his 2 natures, his hypostatic union, the Divinity of the Holy Spirit, and the Trinity?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So its "just theologian's opinions" to believe in the Divinity of Christ, his 2 natures, his hypostatic union, the Divinity of the Holy Spirit, and the Trinity?

The BIBLE presents the TRUTH and Jesus gave the HOLY SPIRIT to every Born again Christian to lead them into TRUTH (John 15:26). How do YOU deal with 1 John 2:27 ???

"Theologians", and "Counsils" teach their INTERPRETATIONS of what the Bible says. SOMETIMES it's TRUTH, and sometimes it's only "interpretation", and human opinion. Paul was WARNING AGAINST false teachers, who were already spreading lies during HIS time.

 

[synergy]

The BIBLE presents the TRUTH and Jesus gave the HOLY SPIRIT to every Born again Christian to lead them into TRUTH (John 15:26). How do YOU deal with 1 John 2:27 ???

Which Church did "every Born again Christian" end up in? Which Church embodies the "Truth"?

"Theologians", and "Counsils" teach their INTERPRETATIONS of what the Bible says. SOMETIMES it's TRUTH, and sometimes it's only "interpretation", and human opinion. Paul was WARNING AGAINST false teachers, who were already spreading lies during HIS time.

Do you even knpw what the hypostatic union of Christ means?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

The BIBLE presents the TRUTH and Jesus gave the HOLY SPIRIT to every Born again Christian to lead them into TRUTH (John 15:26). How do YOU deal with 1 John 2:27 ???

"Theologians", and "Counsils" teach their INTERPRETATIONS of what the Bible says. SOMETIMES it's TRUTH, and sometimes it's only "interpretation", and human opinion. Paul was WARNING AGAINST false teachers, who were already spreading lies during HIS time.

Likewise, the Bible in English is an interpretation. In many cases, the English language just can't express what the Greek says.

 

[Presby02]

IF there is no condition for election, then there is no condition for non-election or reprobation...an untenable stance in that it denigrates GOD's self revelation as Love and Light.

What's the condition? Where is it written God chose you because you chose Him?

 

[TomL]

What's the condition? Where is it written God chose you because you chose Him?

Election is in Christ

Ephesians 1:3–4 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Calvinism posits an election apart from Christ and is unbiblical

 

[Presby02]

Election is in Christ

Ephesians 1:3–4 (KJV 1900) — 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


Calvinism posits an election apart from Christ and is unbiblical

No conditions are given there. Conditions impossible for me to fulfill before I existed.

 

[TomL]

No conditions are given there. Conditions impossible for me to fulfill before I existed.

Being in Christ is a condition

That you did not exist shows you were not chosen to be in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

it is those who believe which are in Christ

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

 

[Presby02]

Being in Christ is a condition

That you did not exist shows you were not chosen to be in Christ

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

it is those who believe which are in Christ

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

That's not the question is it? The question is how and when is one in Christ.

Umm....temporally or eternally?

 

[TomL]

That's not the question is it? The question is how and when is one in Christ.

Umm....temporally or eternally?

What was not clear


Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

it is those who believe which are in Christ

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

It is obvious these are temporal realities

 

[Presby02]

What was not clear


Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

it is those who believe which are in Christ

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900) — 7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

It is obvious these are temporal realities

Great. So you can be chosen from the foundation of the world yet it becomes reality temporally.

Paul was chosen vessel to the Gentiles from all eternity yet his conversion was a temporal reality.

 

[TomL]

Great. So you can be chosen from the foundation of the world yet it becomes reality temporally.

Paul was chosen vessel to the Gentiles from all eternity yet his conversion was a temporal reality.

Corporate election of the church those in Christ to be holy and blameless. Not unconditionally select men to be believers

 

[praise_yeshua]

Great. So you can be chosen from the foundation of the world yet it becomes reality temporally.

Paul was chosen vessel to the Gentiles from all eternity yet his conversion was a temporal reality.

God told Elijah that He had 7000 replacements for him.....

1Ki 19:18 I still have left in Israel seven thousand followers who have not bowed their knees to Baal or kissed the images of him.”

 

[TomL]

God told Elijah that He had 7000 replacements for him.....

1Ki 19:18 I still have left in Israel seven thousand followers who have not bowed their knees to Baal or kissed the images of him.”

as here

Romans 11:2–5 (KJV 1900) — 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[Presby02]

God told Elijah that He had 7000 replacements for him.....

1Ki 19:18 I still have left in Israel seven thousand followers who have not bowed their knees to Baal or kissed the images of him.”

Great.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Great.

Claim "chosen" all you want. You're replaceable. We all are.

 

[Presby02]

Claim "chosen" all you want. You're replaceable. We all are.

Great