Eternal Security

[Doug Brents]

Where do you get "Gentile" from? Where in the Hebrew Scripture does God make or have covenant with the non-Hebrew Gentile? And it must find some expression in the Old Testament in order to have a New Testament reality. ALL the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation is the Jewish born-again mind that since the giving of God's Promised Spirit to Israel when they are born-again which searches the [Hebrew] Scripture for "doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness" and for doctrine understood going towards the New Covenant era Israel found itself in with the Advent of the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel) and not promised to any non-Hebrew Gentile.

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the LORD your God, and none else:
And my people shall never be ashamed.
Joel 2:27.

The Holy Spirit of Promise is definitely given to Israel and NOT to Gentiles (non-Hebrews.) For what follows in Joel's prophecy to Israel is the giving of God's Spirit upon ALL [Hebrew] flesh, and it is [their] sons and [their] daughters that shall see visions, etc., when the day of the Spirit is given to covenant Israel at Pentecost. Three thousand Jews were born-again that day, and it says that Christ "added to His Church (thousands) daily such as should be saved."

Yes, at this point in the Church only Jews were being saved, and only Jews were being added to the Church. But in Acts 10 God sends Peter to convert the first Gentile into the Church, and then Saul (who renames himself Paul) is sent to the Gentiles to convert masses of them into the Church. Most of the letters he wrote were addressed to majority Gentile congregations of the Church. Paul's sermon in Acts 17 is directed to Gentiles, and he even quotes the Gentile poet's comment about zeus ("For we also are His descendants") and turns it to refer to the one true God instead of zeus.

Very soon in the narrative comes the Hellenized Hebrew of whom the Judaizers from Jerusalem taught these brethren of mixed heritage they must be circumcised or they couldn't be saved. These Judaizers would be teaching that these mixed heritage Hebrews need to be circumcised for they would never seek to teach or command non-Hebrew Gentiles to be circumcised for this would be anathema to all Jewry. No Jew - Jewish Christian or layman Jew - would never command uncircumcised, non-covenant, Gentile "dogs", these unclean Gentiles to be circumcised. It is unheard of.

Acts 15 details the Judaizers' attempted to force Gentile (not Hellenized Hebrew) converts to the Church to be circumcised. But the Apostles, after discussion, prayer, and seeking the direction of the Holy Spirit, came to the conclusion that Gentiles do not need to be circumcised to be part of the Church. That Old Covenant command is not relevant to Gentile converts to Christ (nor is it relevant to Jewish converts to Christ either, but that is for a different discussion).

The command given "come, follow me" is a command that was similarly given to Andrew and Peter, to James and John, and to another, "follow me and let the dead bury the dead." This interaction between Jesus and this "ruler" who had great possessions was commanded by Christ to "follow me" and may very well be among the three thousand Jews on Pentecost who was born-again and who did obey Jesus to sell all his possessions and to also give to the poor like Barnabas who sold his property and gave the proceeds to the apostles. Mark states that, "Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

This ruler, it can be discerned, was among those Jews on Pentecost who were born-again and along with others,

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2:45.

But the command was given to "take up your cross and follow me." Matthew received the same command to "follow me." And when the Spirit of Promise was poured out upon all Hebrew flesh this ruler became saved.

The Spirit was not poured out upon "all Hebrew flesh". He is only poured out upon those who believe in and trust Christ Jesus. All those who do not believe in and trust Christ Jesus are cut off from Israel.

If the text says, "[Jesus] loved him" you can bet that Jesus would not allow one of His covenant people whom He loves to be lost and cast into "hell." Those that Jesus loves shall ALL be saved. Even this ruler. The example is found here:

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. Acts 2:45.

If Jesus loves "you", He will save "you" for He came to save those He loved, right? Greater love hath no man than this," right?
That's right.

Jesus loves all of humanity, Jew and Gentile alike, and He came to die to save us even when we were still sinners. And He knows that there will be many whom He loves that will indeed be cast into Hell. He loves (and died for) not only the saved, or the Jews, but everyone in the whole world (1 John 2:2).

God nor Christ has ever made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. And God saves through covenant and this is established in Scripture. The Hebrew seed of Abraham have covenant promises given by God to the children of Israel. Neither Father or Son have covenant with non-Abraham, non-Hebrew Gentiles. There is no such covenant in Scripture.

You mention Jeremiah but why do that if you're not going to believe his prophecy of the New Covenant between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Where in this New Covenant described by Jeremiah - whom you mention - does God make covenant with non-Abraham, non-Hebrew Gentiles? Where? There is none.
NO ONE can show me in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that God has covenant with Gentiles. Where is this "phantom" covenant with Gentiles? Where in Jeremaih 31:31-34 does it say the "House of Gentiles"? Don't add to the bible or add to the New Covenant Jeremaih prophesied that includes non-Hebrew Gentiles. Where is this Gentile covenant? Show me the money and show me the Scripture.

There is no "phantom" covenant. The New Covenant was indeed established first with the Jews, but when they refused to accept it, it was offered to the Gentiles as well. And many of them accepted it. Gen 12:3 (along with Gen 18:18, 22:18, 26:4, Num 24:9, and others) says clearly that ALL nations of the Earth will be blessed through the Seed of Abraham (Jesus). Rom 9:24, Rom 11:17-32, and Acts 13:47 all speak of the Gentiles who believe in Jesus being added to Israel, being included in the Covenant, and being heirs with the Jews who believe in Jesus to the promises made to Abraham.

The mechanism of the New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus Christ. Jesus died on a cross and the Law was nailed to the cross, and when one resurrected in newness of life, so did the Law resurrect in newness of life and it has become God's declaration of every Jew that became born-again.

The Law was not resurrected to new life. It was indeed nailed to the cross with Christ, but it is the only soul of the believer that is resurrected with Jesus, not the Law.

For every Jew that was born-again was justified by God as having obeyed and fulfilled every aspect of the Law of Moses. Even Saul, after being born-again continued to obey the Law of Moses thus destroying the false theology that the Law was "abolished" or "obsolete" for how else can one be born-again separate from the Law for it leads the Jew to their Lord. Take away the Law and the work, sacrifice, and Person of Christ is also "abolished" or "obsolete" and this is the great delusion of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness.

Sorry, but the fulfillment and obsolescence of the Law does not invalidate the sacrifice of Jesus. The fulfillment of a contract does not make obsolete the result of that contract. Through fulfilling the Law, Jesus procured righteousness, and He offers that righteousness to everyone who believes and trusts in Him.

20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: Acts 21:20.

Even Saul, who as a man separated and observing his Nazarene vows obeyed the Law of Moses AFTER his conversion to Christ:

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. Acts 21:24.

Paul did indeed observe this vow and purify himself, along with these men, in order to not offend the Jews who were still zealous for the Law. But as he had preached to the Jews among the Gentiles, the keeping of the OT Law was not necessary for salvation in Christ. The keeping of the Law among the Jews was no longer God's will, but was necessary to prevent offending them and to keep the lines of communication open so that they will be receptive to the teaching of Christ. After they are in Christ is the time to teach them of the freedom in Christ from the restrictions of the Law.

The Law nailed to Jesus' cross died and was raised by Christ the Law of Moses very much alive and well and joined to Christ in death and in newness of life.

There was a separation of a one family obedient to God. Salah, who took his family and "crossed over" the Jordan River and separated from the disobedient Adamites who remained together and chose to build a tower. Follow those obedient to God against those disobedient to God and what became of those obedient to God. You end up with Abraham who was among others who "called upon the LORD."

10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood:
11 And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
13 And Arphaxad lived after he begat Salah four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
15 And Salah lived after he begat Eber four hundred and three years, and begat sons and daughters.
16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
17 And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters.
18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu:
19 And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters.
20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
21 And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters.
22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor:
23 And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters.
24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
25 And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred and nineteen years, and begat sons and daughters.
26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Gen. 11:10–26.

It's all right here in these passages.

Certainly Abraham, not Salah, was separated from the rest of the Adamites as a separate nation from whom God would raise up His savior (Jesus) to save all mankind from their sins. But that separation was only from Abraham to Christ Jesus. In Christ, the separation between Jew and Gentile, Israel and "the Nations", was removed and torn down (Eph 2:11-22).

Jesus is Head of Church and State.

He is head of the Church, but He is head of no "state" on Earth. His Kingdom is not of this world; it is Heavenly.

James was head of Church and State and gave permission by God to publish a new translation for the English-speaking people.

Where do you find this permission given in Scripture? James was no more head of the Church than I am. As you said above, Jesus is the Head of the Church, and NO ONE has (or can) replace Him as that Head.

Even if Trump was a born-again Christian and led by the Spirit (which He wouldn't do) cannot sign an Executive Order and gather the linguists of our day and order a new translation.

What makes Trump different from James? If Trump is the head of State (as James was), then he has the same mandate from God to "authorize" things as did James.

He is head of the State but not of the Church. Not even King Charles III can order a new translation being Head of Church and State. It is unnecessary for we have a translation that is the best and most anointed work of God back in 1604-1611. It is a matter of authority.

What is the difference in "authority" between Charles and James? Both are king of the same nation. I don't find anything in Scripture that would imply, state, or even hint at the distinction you seem to think is God's Law.

And God sits a person on a throne and God removes one from a throne and no other translation is necessary than the King James Version of the Bible.
Authority.

That is your opinion, and it may well be valid, but it is not God's Word.

 

[Duane]

In Johns writing we read the following regarding Jesus. He was in the beginning with God(John 1:1,1 John 1:1-4) We also read that in Him was life, the very source of life (John 1:4)whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life(3:16) He who believes in the Son has eternal life(3:36) He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day(6:54)This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent(17:3)These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life(1 John 5:13).

Jesus is in fact Eternal Life. He who has the Son has the life and he who does not have the Son does not have the life. He is the true God and Eternal Life(1 John 1:1-4,5:20).

Eternal life is not just unending life. It is the life we now have in God through Jesus. John refers to Jesus Christ Himself as eternal life. It is life that comes from God. A person who has eternal life has God’s life within him.

It is obvious that eternal life doesn’t begin when we die. Jesus said, He who believes in Me has (present tense) everlasting life. He didn’t say that the one who believes in Him will have (future tense) everlasting life. He said that he has eternal life in the here and now from that very first moment of faith. Eternal life is unending life.

Jesus, Paul and John emphasize that eternal life is a present reality and the present possession of the Christian in the here and now. It will have its ultimate fulfillment in the future but every believer has eternal life at the moment they believe in the Son of God.

Jesus said I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. (John 10:28).That means nothing or no one can remove a believer from Christ.

Paul tells us in Ephesians 4:30 that believers are sealed for the day of redemption. If believers did not have salvation or eternal life/security then the sealing could not truly be until the day of redemption. Paul in Romans 8:38-39 really drives home the everlasting promise of eternal life/salvation for the believer "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Our eternal security is bought with the blood of Christ, promised to us by the Father Who cannot deny Himself and sealed in the believers heart by the Holy Spirit. What wonderful promises believers have for their eternal security in Christ.

Jesus tells us in John 3:15-16 that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will have eternal life, not might have but actually possesses that everlasting life. If a person is promised eternal life and then to have it taken away then it was never eternal to begin with and it makes Jesus out to be a liar and the promises of God to be false. Below we see more promises the believer can count on for eternal life now and in the future. We can be confident in the promises of God.

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:47
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 6:54
54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

Matt 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed out of death into life,

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

Romans 8
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.


31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

conclusion: those having eternal life can never be separated from Christ. As Jesus said no one can snatch one from His hands whom He has given eternal life.

hope this helps !!!

Your post sums it up for me.

Paul tells us, “By grace you have been saved.” The Greek form of the term grace implies that grace is the “instrument” used to accomplish salvation. In other words, if one were to ask God, “God, how did You save me?” He would answer, “Grace.”

Grace summarizes the entire salvation process. It encapsulates the sending of Christ, the offer of forgiveness, His crucifixion, His resurrection, and His ascension. Why grace? Because grace indicates unmerited favor; it suggests an undeserved expression of kindness and goodwill. The whole of salvation is just that—an undeserved gift. From start to finish, salvation is by grace.

And once you except God's grace you don't lose it.

 

[Dizerner]

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, (Heb. 3:12-14 NKJ)

 

[Johann]

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, (Heb. 3:12-14 NKJ)

I would suggest you look up the Perfect tenses re our salvation brother.

J.

 

[Dizerner]

I would suggest you look up the Perfect tenses re our salvation brother.

J.

I would suggest you respect the Word of God and repent, brother.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2 Tim. 4:3-4 NKJ)

 

[mailmandan]

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "Today," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, (Heb. 3:12-14 NKJ)

Hebrews 3:14, we read - For we have become partakers of Christ, (demonstrative evidence) if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, where we read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, (demonstrative evidence) if we hold fast our confidence firm to the end.

*Notice that the wording is not - "and you will become partakers of Christ (future indicative) if you (future indicative) hold the beginning of your confidence steadfast to the end. It is rather - "you have been, and now are, partakers of Christ, (demonstrative evidence) if in the future you hold fast the beginning of your confidence steadfast to the end.

Now what about those faltering Hebrews who end up departing from God after beginning with some level of confidence and profession of loyalty, but then later? Future perseverance is proof of genuine conversion.

Jude 1:5 - Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

 

[Dizerner]

Convoluted imposition of presuppositions on the text to guard the golden calf idol of eternal security.

IF WE HOLD FAST.

 

[Johann]

I would suggest you respect the Word of God and repent, brother.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine,
but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. (2 Tim. 4:3-4 NKJ)

Really? You have no idea what I'm talking about, do you?

J.

 

[Johann]

Convoluted imposition of presuppositions on the text to guard the golden calf idol of eternal security.

IF WE HOLD FAST.

You brought up "IF WE HOLD FAST", but those passages (like Hebrews 3:6 and 3:14) aren't saying we maintain our salvation by perseverance—they’re saying perseverance is the evidence of true faith. It’s not about earning or keeping salvation; it’s about showing that our faith is real. 1 John 2:19 makes this clear when it says that those who fall away were never truly part of us to begin with.

Think about it—if salvation depended on holding fast, then that would mean our endurance, not Christ’s sacrifice, is what ultimately saves us. But Scripture consistently teaches that true believers are kept by God’s power (1 Peter 1:5, Jude 24). Jesus Himself said in John 10:28-29 that His sheep will never perish and that no one can snatch them from His hand. If that’s true, how could someone lose salvation?

If salvation could be lost, then Christ’s atonement would have to be incomplete or insufficient—yet Hebrews 7:25 says He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him. Ephesians 1:13-14 even says believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of our inheritance.

So when Hebrews tells us to "hold fast," it’s not making salvation conditional—it’s describing the endurance that naturally comes from a genuine, Spirit-transformed faith. It’s God who keeps us secure, not our own ability to hold on. If we’re truly saved, we will persevere because He won’t let us go (Philippians 1:6, 2 Timothy 1:12).

J.

 

[Hosanna]

You brought up "IF WE HOLD FAST", but those passages (like Hebrews 3:6 and 3:14) aren't saying we maintain our salvation by perseverance—they’re saying perseverance is the evidence of true faith. It’s not about earning or keeping salvation; it’s about showing that our faith is real. 1 John 2:19 makes this clear when it says that those who fall away were never truly part of us to begin with.

Think about it—if salvation depended on holding fast, then that would mean our endurance, not Christ’s sacrifice, is what ultimately saves us. But Scripture consistently teaches that true believers are kept by God’s power (1 Peter 1:5, Jude 24). Jesus Himself said in John 10:28-29 that His sheep will never perish and that no one can snatch them from His hand. If that’s true, how could someone lose salvation?

If salvation could be lost, then Christ’s atonement would have to be incomplete or insufficient—yet Hebrews 7:25 says He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him. Ephesians 1:13-14 even says believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of our inheritance.

So when Hebrews tells us to "hold fast," it’s not making salvation conditional—it’s describing the endurance that naturally comes from a genuine, Spirit-transformed faith. It’s God who keeps us secure, not our own ability to hold on. If we’re truly saved, we will persevere because He won’t let us go (Philippians 1:6, 2 Timothy 1:12).

J.

Well said.

We are not saved by our faith. We are saved by grace. The instrument of salvation was and is grace. God came up with a plan and carried it out through Christ. We did not take part in it, nor did we deserve any part of it. It was grace from start to finish. “How then,” you are asking, “does faith fit in with all of this?” Paul clarifies that by saying,

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. Ephesians 2:8–9

Once again Paul explains the role of grace. But then he adds the ever–so–important—yet misunderstood—phrase “through faith.” “Through” is the key to understanding the significance of faith. “Through” is translated from the Greek word dia, which carries the idea of “means” or “agency.” Faith was the agent whereby God was able to apply His grace to the life of the sinner.

 

[Behold]

And once you except God's grace you don't lose it.

You can't stop being born again.

 

[Grace ambassador]

I would suggest you look up the Perfect tenses re our salvation brother.

Precious friend, Very Good! And, also All Three Tenses Of Eternal Salvation should be prayerfully And Carefully studied, to
prevent useless argumentation, strife and vainglory, Dishonoring The Wonderful Saviour, and His Precious BLOOD, eh?:

The Three Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation! [ AKA God's Simple Will! ]​

Amen.

 

[Johann]

Once again Paul explains the role of grace. But then he adds the ever–so–important—yet misunderstood—phrase “through faith.” “Through” is the key to understanding the significance of faith. “Through” is translated from the Greek word dia, which carries the idea of “means” or “agency.” Faith was the agent whereby God was able to apply His grace to the life of the sinner.

Your statement is generally correct, but it could be refined for greater precision. The Greek preposition διά (dia) does indeed convey the idea of "means" or "agency" when used with the genitive or accusative case, but its exact nuance depends on context.

In Ephesians 2:8, διά (dia) is followed by the genitive πίστεως (pisteōs, "of faith"), which typically expresses means or instrumentality. This indicates that faith is the means through which God's grace is received. However, it is more precise to say that faith is the channel or instrument by which grace is applied, rather than calling faith the "agent," since agency often implies an active force in causing something to happen. Faith itself does not "apply" grace, but it is the means by which God applies grace to the sinner.

A clearer way to phrase your statement:

"Paul again explains the role of grace, emphasizing the phrase 'through faith.' The word 'through' (διά, dia) in Greek denotes means or instrumentality, indicating that faith is the means by which God applies His grace to the sinner’s life."

Faith. We are saved by grace, not by faith, which is the channel through (dia) which flows to us the Divine stream of saving grace. Both alike God's gifts.

διὰ τῆς πίστεως: through faith. That is, by faith as the instrument or means. Paul never says διὰ τὴν πίστιν, as if the faith were the ground or procuring cause of the salvation. It is the χάριτι, not the explanatory πίστεως that has the first place in Paul’s thoughts here.—καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ἡμῶν: and that not of yourselves. That is, not as proceeding from yourselves or of your own performance.

God bless.

Johann.

 

[Grace ambassador]

Precious friends, cherry picking 'favorite' "losing God's Eternal Salvation" verses has Never, and Never will work, eh?
Rather, let us prayerfully and Carefully, and Comprehensively study The Whole Scriptural Picture, eh?

God's 'Operation' on all new-born babes In Christ!​

Amen.

 

[Johann]

Precious friend, Very Good! And, also All Three Tenses Of Eternal Salvation should be prayerfully And Carefully studied, to
prevent useless argumentation, strife and vainglory, Dishonoring The Wonderful Saviour, and His Precious BLOOD, eh?:

The Three Tenses Of God's ETERNAL Salvation! [ AKA God's Simple Will! ]​

Amen.

Correct.

SALVATION AS A COMPLETED ACTION (AORIST)

 ● Acts 15:11; 16:31

 ● Romans 8:24

 ● 2 Timothy 1:9

 ● Titus 3:5

 ● Romans 13:11 (combines the AORIST with a future orientation)

SALVATION AS A STATE OF BEING BROUGHT ABOUT BY A PREVIOUS ACT (PERFECT)

 ● Ephesians 2:5,8

SALVATION AS A CONTINUING PROCESS THROUGH LIFE (PRESENT)

 ● 1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:2

 ● 2 Corinthians 2:15

 ● Philippians 2:12

 ● 1 Peter 3:21

SALVATION AS A FUTURE CONSUMMATION (FUTURE in VERB TENSE or context)

 ● Romans 5:9,10; 10:9,13

 ● 1 Corinthians 3:15; 5:5

 ● Philippians 1:28

 ● 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9

 ● Hebrews 1:14; 9:28

 ● 1 Peter 1:5

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION

Salvation (Greek Verb Tenses) -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

Johann.

 

[mailmandan]

Correct.

SALVATION AS A COMPLETED ACTION (AORIST)

 ● Acts 15:11; 16:31

 ● Romans 8:24

 ● 2 Timothy 1:9

 ● Titus 3:5

 ● Romans 13:11 (combines the AORIST with a future orientation)

SALVATION AS A STATE OF BEING BROUGHT ABOUT BY A PREVIOUS ACT (PERFECT)

 ● Ephesians 2:5,8

SALVATION AS A CONTINUING PROCESS THROUGH LIFE (PRESENT)

 ● 1 Corinthians 1:18; 15:2

 ● 2 Corinthians 2:15

 ● Philippians 2:12

 ● 1 Peter 3:21

SALVATION AS A FUTURE CONSUMMATION (FUTURE in VERB TENSE or context)

 ● Romans 5:9,10; 10:9,13

 ● 1 Corinthians 3:15; 5:5

 ● Philippians 1:28

 ● 1 Thessalonians 5:8-9

 ● Hebrews 1:14; 9:28

 ● 1 Peter 1:5

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK VERB TENSES USED FOR SALVATION

Salvation (Greek Verb Tenses) -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

Johann.

The 3 tenses of salvation.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER on sin (ongoing or progressive sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

 

[Johann]

The 3 tenses of salvation.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER on sin (ongoing or progressive sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

Ditto precious brother.

Johann.

 

[Eleazar]

The 3 tenses of salvation.

1. We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification)
2. We are being saved from the POWER on sin (ongoing or progressive sanctification)
3. We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

I have always liked studying sanctification. I'll see if there is a Theard here on it.

Sanctification is the act of sanctifying or the state of being sanctified. In the theological sense, things are sanctified when they are used for the purpose God intends. To sanctify someone or something is to set that person or thing apart for the use intended by its designer. For example, a pen is "sanctified" when used to write, and eyeglasses are "sanctified" when used to improve sight.

https://www.gotquestions.org/sanctification.html

 

[mailmandan]

I have always liked studying sanctification. I'll see if there is a Theard here on it.

Sanctification is the act of sanctifying or the state of being sanctified. In the theological sense, things are sanctified when they are used for the purpose God intends. To sanctify someone or something is to set that person or thing apart for the use intended by its designer. For example, a pen is "sanctified" when used to write, and eyeglasses are "sanctified" when used to improve sight.

https://www.gotquestions.org/sanctification.html

On a different Christian forum site I remember a thread entitled: "Sanctification, an event a process or both?"

Here is how I see it. When we are justified we are also sanctified set apart/made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Yet we also see ongoing or progressive sanctification in which the reality of that holiness becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, - For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

So becoming washed, sanctified and justified in Christ is a one time event, yet abstaining from sexual immorality is not a one time event. Here is how I understand it. The believer possess a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.

 

[Johann]

On a different Christian forum site I remember a thread entitled: "Sanctification, an event a process or both?"

Here is how I see it. When we are justified we are also sanctified set apart/made holy in standing before God positionally in Christ. 1 Corinthians 6:11 - Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

Yet we also see ongoing or progressive sanctification in which the reality of that holiness becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-4, - For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor.

So becoming washed, sanctified and justified in Christ is a one time event, yet abstaining from sexual immorality is not a one time event. Here is how I understand it. The believer possess a positional, judicial standing of righteousness in Christ and, second, an ongoing process of growth in practical, progressive holiness which becomes increasingly evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives.

To add--


HOLINESS / SANCTIFICATION

The NT asserts that when sinners turn to Jesus in repentance and faith (cf. Mark 1:15; Acts 3:16,19; 20:21), they are instantaneously justified and sanctified. This is their new position in Christ. His righteousness has been imputed to them (cf. Gen. 15:6; Romans 4). They are declared right and holy (a forensic act of God).

But the NT also urges believers on to holiness or sanctification. It is both

a theological position in the finished work of Jesus Christ
a call to be Christlike in attitude and actions in daily life. As salvation is a free gift and a cost-everything lifestyle, so too, is sanctification (i.e., Eastern Literature [biblical paradoxes]).
SPECIAL TOPIC: EASTERN LITERATURE (biblical paradoxes)

Initial Justification and Sanctification A Progressive Sanctification, Christlikeness

 Acts 26:18
 Romans 15:16
 1 Corinthians 1:2-3,30; 6:11
 2 Thessalonians 2:13
 Hebrews 2:11; 10:10,14; 13:12
 1 Peter 1:2  Romans 6:19
 2 Corinthians 7:1
 Ephesians 1:4; 2:10
 1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:3-4,7; 5:2
 1 Timothy 2:15
 2 Timothy 2:21
 1 Peter 1:15-16
 Hebrews 12:14
The goal of salvation is not heaven when we die but Christlikeness now (cf. Rom. 8:28-29; 2 Cor. 3:18; 7:1; Gal. 4:19; Eph. 1:4; 4:13; 1 Thess. 3:13; 4:3; 5:23; 2 Thess. 2:13; Titus 2:14; 1 Pet. 1:15), so that those who see our witness may be drawn to Jesus and go to heaven with us! Sanctification, like justification, is

a gift and a choice
an INDICATIVE and an IMPERATIVE
a trophy and a race

SPECIAL TOPIC: SANCTIFICATION

Sanctification -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

Johann.