Eternal Justification !

[brightfame52]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

 

[brightfame52]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

 

[brightfame52]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

 

[brightfame52]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

 

[civic]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

Yes one cannot be WITHOUT Christ and at the same time be in Christ.

This is just another OXYMORON, a CONTRADICTION in the calvinists doctrine.

This is the result of cherry picking a verse, ripping it from it contest to promote a false belief. Its eisegesis resulting in proof texting.

conclusion: if a person was without Christ before the believed they were never in Christ until they believed.

 

[TomL]

Yes one cannot be WITHOUT Christ and at the same time be in Christ.

This is just another OXYMORON, a CONTRADICTION in the calvinists doctrine.

This is the result of cherry picking a verse, ripping it from it contest to promote a false belief. Its eisegesis resulting in proof texting.

conclusion: if a person was without Christ before the believed they were never in Christ until they believed.

Yep that person has little concern for scriptural harmony and just read his/her views into scripture

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

 

[civic]

I guess the person thinks without Christ means the same thing as being in Christ.

who would of thought they were synonymous terms ROFL.

 

[brightfame52]

What part of without Christ do you not understand

Sorry, scripture states they were without Christ

Ephesians 2:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

so your claims are contrary to scripture

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Yet they also were Justified from eternity, chosen in Him before the foundation

scripture
ye were without Christ

So how did they fall out of Christ

 

[brightfame52]

scripture
ye were without Christ

So how did they fall out of Christ

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[Complete]

'According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.'
(Eph 1:4)

Hello @brightfame52,

The words that you are quoting from Ephesians were spoken to those described as 'saints' and 'faithful'. They were chosen, in Christ, that they should be holy and without blame before God in love. They had been pre-destinated unto adoption by Jesus Christ to God the Father Himself.

This could be achieved because God has foreknowledge, and therefore new beforehand those who would believe. Therefore the righteousness of God was imputed unto them,at the moment that they believed God concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Chris., Yes, they were justified by faith, when they heard and believed God, as Abraham was.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[brightfame52]

'According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.'
(Eph 1:4)

Hello @brightfame52,

The words that you are quoting from Ephesians were spoken to those described as 'saints' and 'faithful'. They were chosen, in Christ, that they should be holy and without blame before God in love. They had been pre-destinated unto adoption by Jesus Christ to God the Father Himself.

This could be achieved because God has foreknowledge, and therefore new beforehand those who would believe. Therefore the righteousness of God was imputed unto them,at the moment that they believed God concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, for they were justified by faith, as Abraham was.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

False teaching

 

[Complete]

'Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification of the Spirit,
unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.'
(1Pe 1:2)

Hello @brightfame52,

These are Peter's words, confirming that the election of God is such because of God's foreknowledge.

'False Teaching?!' I don't think so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[brightfame52]

'Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father,
through sanctification of the Spirit,
unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.'
(1Pe 1:2)

Hello @brightfame52,

These are Peter's words, confirming that the election of God is such because of God's foreknowledge.

'False Teaching?!' I don't think so.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Yes it is

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

You failed to answer the question

scripture
ye were without Christ

So how did they fall out of Christ

 

[brightfame52]

You failed to answer the question

scripture
ye were without Christ

So how did they fall out of Christ

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

 

[TomL]

They [Eph 2:11-12] are people Paul was writing to, so they were chosen in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4-6 and so Justified from before the foundation.

All the elect in a unregenerate condition are without Christ, seperated from Him, Jesus told His Disciples without Him they can do nothing spiritually Jn 15:5

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Do you require dictionary help?

ye were without Christ

Without

with·out
[wəˈT͟Hout, wəˈTHout]
preposition

1. in the absence of: