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charismaticlady
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I can't see it spelled out either in Scripture. Also, if there were two such events of the coming of Jesus and our going to Him wouldn't you think that someone would have described their differences in the same chapter? After all, God is not a God of confusion.
Do you see what I was trying to say? There were seven letters and the last four of them describe different denominational types. The denominations start with Thyatira which is the Catholic and Orthodox, then Sardis which is the start of the Reformation and I see 2 hundred years later someone in that era fought against the reformationists and taught holiness. Then the product of that holiness came to fruition in the Philadelphian denominations, and then the "falling away" of the Laodecian church age. Only holiness will make us safe.
Only in Calvinism. According to Calvinism if it exists God determined it
charismaticlady
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The worst cult of all. In Revelation 3:1 Jesus says to Calvinists, "you have a name (reputation) that you are alive, but you are dead!"
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To the church of Calvin eh
charismaticlady
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It sure seems like it. Jesus came to take away our sin, but Calvinists ignore that fact with their "T" in total depravity even in Jesus. WHAT???To the church of Calvin eh
Total depravity in Jesus ??????????????????
charismaticlady
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Yes. They say Christians are still totally depraved and constantly need a Savior. That is completely false. For instance, what kind of nature do you have? A sin nature, or a clean nature that can partake of the divine nature of God? Are you still a sinner, or are you a child of God and free from sins of lawlessness?
Um I kind of doubt they would go as far as say Christians are totally depraved
charismaticlady
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I've been listening to them on the radio. You would think Jesus never came! It is sad. And not until we receive new bodies do they think we will be free from sin. They should listen to the real gospel sometime.
Entire perfection is a minority viewpoint.
charismaticlady
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I agree. But possible. What is wrong is the doctrine of sinless perfection. I've heard people speak against that, but I don't know a denomination that teaches it to begin with. Sinlessness and Perfection are states of being that are separated by a lifetime. That is why Revelation 22:11 shows righteousness and holiness. They are not the same. 1 John 3 is all about Sinlessness which is Righteousness after being cleansed of all unrighteousness of lawlessness (Ten Commandments), verses 4-9. Lawlessness are sins unto DEATH. It starts with 1 John 1:9 which is to receive the Holy Spirit. We are clean (John 15:3), and the Spirit empowers us to stay that way. That verse is not to be used over and over as we willfully sin, then repent, sin, repent, sin, repent ad infinitum (Calvinism). It equates to Acts 2:38.
Perfection and Holiness are the same thing and we see this means we will never stumble. It is NOT about lawlessness which are sins unto death. This is about sins NOT unto death (1 John 5:16-17, Numbers 15:22-36). Jesus puts the finishing touches on our faith through maturing in all the fruit of the Spirit. 2 Peter 1:5-11 and John 15.
Look at Romans 1:16-17 and notice that faith is mentioned twice. I believe Paul is referring to these two levels of faith.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel [a]of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”
Perfection
Scripture is clear that perfection is commanded of us (see passages below), however, it is important to understand what this really means. The Greek word teleioi, found in Matthew 5:48, does not mean "flawless" or "spotless". Rather, it means "complete". It becomes possible, then, to be "perfect" without being entirely free from sin. "That is, we can possess the fullness of Jesus Christ (Eph. 4:13) and the full fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23) without possessing them completely" (Erickson, p. 985).
charismaticlady
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2 Peter 1:2-11 is not about lawlessness, the first type of sin that Jesus takes out of our nature. It is obviously about the fruit of the Spirit. At the end it says we will never stumble. I don't need a commentary to tell me the difference. The Word actually says we will be made perfect. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of my faith. Heb 12
Both types of sin (sins unto death and sins not unto death) are both done away with, not by our will, but by Jesus as we abide in Him. Here is Scriptural proof.
Righteousness 1 John 3:24 Jesus takes away sins unto death - lawlessness
Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
Perfection John 15:3-4 Jesus takes away sins not unto death - fruit of the Spirit.
"You are already clean (from lawlessness) because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
It is clear as day, but not always to the writers of commentaries.
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Obviously Christians are not totally depraved
charismaticlady
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You know that. And I know that. But Calvinists believe the lie.
I really do not think they go that far
charismaticlady
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Are you a Calvinist?
Noooooooooo
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'Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more;
death hath no more dominion over Him.
For in that He died, He died unto sin once:
but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.'
(Rom 6:9-12)
death hath no more dominion over Him.
For in that He died, He died unto sin once:
but in that He liveth, He liveth unto God.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,
but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body,
that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.'
(Rom 6:9-12)
