Do Trinitarians really know their foundational core doctrines and their impact on their beliefs and others?

Sure. You demonstrate how you malign the sense that the Son came incarnate which means he was on earth as a man. Nothing happened by him just being incarnate. He had to die and be resurrected so that resurrection would be through him. Maybe you can study scripture more until you get better oriented. You are just twisting things until the distorted ideas fit your mode of thinking.
This is the second time you brought up the Christian being resurrected like if I had said it. I did not. I am referring to Jesus being a man in the Romans verse I quoted and the Christ being in his resurrected body when I made reference to him in the book of Galatians. I never said anything about us being resurrected through him.
 
Indeed, Paul makes a clear distinction between God and Christ throughout Galatians.
In four occasions, Paul is mentioning Jesus Christ and the Father on the same sentence... and in all four, Paul gives the title of "God" only to the Father, not to Christ.
Let's explore this:
  • Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised Him from the dead) (1:1)
  • Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ (1:3). Here he calls the Father "God", but he does NOT call Jesus Christ "God".
  • He [Christ] might deliver us from this present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen." (1:4) Here Paul calls again the Father "God", but does not call Christ "God".
  • And because you are sons, God has sent forth into our hearts the Spirit of His Son, crying, “Abba, Father!” (4:6) By a third time, Paul calls our Father God, and not to his Son.
Wow. the people who recognized the deity of Christ must have missed those verses. I will pass that insight to the top echelons. You might realize that Christ gets unique recognition because he is the incarnation of the Son, the Word of God. So he has a name above all names.
Thanks for your amazing insights.
 
This is the second time you brought up the Christian being resurrected like if I had said it. I did not. I am referring to Jesus being a man in the Romans verse I quoted and the Christ being in his resurrected body when I made reference to him in the book of Galatians. I never said anything about us being resurrected through him.
Great. That makes less sense than when you first postulated your ideas.
 
I already told you God cannot lie and He cannot die. And concerning number 2... God is the first and last and Jesus is not God.
that's an ERROR on your part. is not the "Lord" God? yes, well he died. Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."

the bible do not agree with you, so try again.

101G.
 
that's an ERROR on your part. is not the "Lord" God? yes, well he died. Romans 14:9 "For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living."

the bible do not agree with you, so try again.

101G.
If Christ died like you say he did in the above verse that you quote which is Romans 14:9. Then Christ is not God because God cannot die.
 
Great. That makes less sense than when you first postulated your ideas.
Of course it makes less sense because you do not believe the book of Romans when it refers to Jesus as a man or Galatians when it refers to Christ in his resurrected body because you believe Jesus always was a God man with a spirit body in a human body.
 
If Christ died like you say he did in the above verse that you quote which is Romans 14:9. Then Christ is not God because God cannot die.
ERROR, christ is the ECHAD of God in Equal share. see Phil. 2:6 and was G2758 κενόω kenoo phil 2:7. and there are only three entities. 1. God. 2. the angels. and 3. Man..... now scripture, Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:" if he made himself lower than the angels, then he had to HIGHER that the angel before. which there is only one place higher than the angels..... now do the math.

now you can try agan.

101G.
 
ERROR, christ is the ECHAD of God in Equal share. see Phil. 2:6 and was G2758 κενόω kenoo phil 2:7. and there are only three entities. 1. God. 2. the angels. and 3. Man..... now scripture, Hebrews 2:7 "Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:" if he made himself lower than the angels, then he had to HIGHER that the angel before. which there is only one place higher than the angels..... now do the math.

now you can try agan.

101G.
I do not believe your conclusion or math. There is someone higher than the angels and he's not God. He's the son of God.
 
The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human.

The Son of Man is the proper recipient of "pelach" which proves He is God (Daniel 7:14).
 
I do not believe your conclusion or math. There is someone higher than the angels and he's not God. He's the son of God.
then you have two God which is polyethnic in nature. so you have two God.

lets see something clearly. there is only one Father correct. scripture, Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

now this, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

now the Lord Jesus is the Almighty. so try again

101G.
 
then you have two God which is polyethnic in nature. so you have two God.

lets see something clearly. there is only one Father correct. scripture, Malachi 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

now this, 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you," 2 Corinthians 6:18 "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."

now the Lord Jesus is the Almighty. so try again

101G.
It's sad you do not realize 2 Corinthians 6:17-18 is referring to the Old Testament when God was referred to as the Lord. Thousands of years before God made Jesus both Lord and Christ when He raised him out from among the dead.
 
The Son of Man is the proper recipient of "pelach" which proves He is God (Daniel 7:14).
What would prove a trinity is a teaching on it. A whole complete teaching of a chapter or two and there's none anywhere in the entire Bible. The Jews never saw a trinity or a teaching anywhere in the New Testament. All trinity believers have is a verse here and another half verse somewhere else and all of them can be questioned based on the culture and how words were used in those days. The fact that this trinity is a Catholic doctrine should have been a huge red flag for many of you since the Catholics have never been correct about anything.
 
It's sad you do not realize 2 Corinthians 6:17-18 is referring to the Old Testament when God was referred to as the Lord. Thousands of years before God made Jesus both Lord and Christ when He raised him out from among the dead.
This is your ERROR Listen and please Learn. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." see that term "Lord" here. it the Hebrew term,
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.

now, this same "Lord" who is at the "LORD" right, same chapter now verse 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

Lord here is the Hebrew term,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]

KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
Compare: H3068, H1167, H1168

did you notice definition #2 above? yes, the Lord is God of Israel, tghe same Lord in verse 1. as the definition states [am emphatic form of H113] do you know why the difference of the ..... SAME ONE GOD? if you don't know ask. ....... (smile).

101G.
 
This is your ERROR Listen and please Learn. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool." see that term "Lord" here. it the Hebrew term,
H113 אָדוֹן 'adown (aw-done') n-m.
אָדֹן 'adon (aw-done') [shortened]
1. sovereign (i.e. controller, human or divine).
2. lord.
{also used as a prefix for names}
[from an unused root (meaning to rule)]
KJV: lord, master, owner.

now, this same "Lord" who is at the "LORD" right, same chapter now verse 5. Psalms 110:5 "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath."

Lord here is the Hebrew term,
H136 אֲדֹנָי 'Adonay (ad-o-noy') n-m.
1. (meaning) Lord (used as a proper name of God only).
2. (person) Adonai, The Lord God of Israel (which is actually “Yahweh God of Israel” - see Exodus 5:1 and 120 other occurrences).
[am emphatic form of H113]

KJV: (my) Lord.
Root(s): H113
Compare: H3068, H1167, H1168

did you notice definition #2 above? yes, the Lord is God of Israel, tghe same Lord in verse 1. as the definition states [am emphatic form of H113] do you know why the difference of the ..... SAME ONE GOD? if you don't know ask. ....... (smile).

101G.
Do you not realize if Jesus was some kind of a God-man then doing what he did on the planet was no great accomplishment. The devil could not have really temped him. And he would have had no problems going to the cross. Then redeeming us was nothing if it could have been done by God. He could have done it before Adam had his second child.
 
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