Did God Create Evil?

This is certainly a popular worldly philosophy.
I accept the Day of our LORD as a real time event:
2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be destroyed by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with God’s promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
 
Part of their nature of being created to me = Free Will
Free will in man (or angel) is an illusion. Our choices are dependent upon our nature. Christ was Holy (Luke 1:35.) He did not sin. He is not able to sin.
Man was created "missing the mark" ("sin-ful") and this why he sinned and disobeyed God. He was a sinner before the eating from the tree. He added to God's Word when he said, "neither shall ye touch it."

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

Adding to God's Word is a sin. Yet Christians do this daily.

God is not sitting back waiting to see who will "accept Jesus into their hearts" because man cannot do this and God is not obligated to obey any man who thinks they can change their nature or exert a will to have the Holy Spirit baptize them into the body of Christ. First Corinthians 15 describes the distinct differences between the first Adam and the last Adam. Sin comes from sinner; sin does not come from holy. Thus, man was created sin-ful ("missing the mark.") What is the "mark" missed?
The glory of God, or the glory that is God.
Man is not a chicken , or a cheetah, or a leopard. A man was given a brain through which he reasons and understands. The animal kingdom , while acting as if they have Free Will by selective choice... such as a dove picking a mate for life, or my one pup who will always pull out the red ball, no matter how many different colors of the same ball there is is said to be working on mere instinct. Man, however has learned, by the time they areat minimum , middle age, what the consequences are for
certain choices they might make, either by sheer experience or by seeing and hearing from others.
We can choose vanilla or chocolate, the brown shirt, or the white shirt. But only Christ rules the spiritual realm. Man was created fallen short of the glory of God. The word for that is "sin." Therefore, man's choices come from a sinful nature.

13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked: 1 Samuel 24:13a.

What you are talking about is called "instinct" and animals have instinct. It was instilled upon the animal world as part of their nature when God created them. Same thing with man. You think you have free will but that is an illusion. Our wills are only particular to our nature. Salvation is of the LORD. Salvation is of the Jews. One is given to a people; the other is the people receiving it. But the basis is covenant. God saves through covenant. And the only people that possess covenant are the Hebrew people. And within covenant the children of Israel can obey God or disobey God, and historically they have disobeyed God. But this is why God must do the saving because men cannot save themselves. They had no say in their being created or receiving covenant promises. Every man (or woman) in Scripture that had a positive relationship with God was called. But called within the confines of covenant. No one sought after He whom they could not see.
Yes, man certainly is made "less" or fallen short of the glory of God. So were the angels. But that does not mean those that
become reprobates have done so by merely being far less then God. I firmly believe the potential was instilled in us when God made the first brain... and breathed into Adam, which gave Him life.
They don't have to be reprobates. Being sinful is enough. The thing is man is part of the material creation. He has no power in the spiritual realm. Having a sinful nature means your choices are particular to sinful desires. But desires or not the sin nature is part of man in his creation just as Holy is part of the Lord Jesus Christ. Not only did He not sin but was not able to sin. Sin does not come from holy.
There is far too much in the four corners of the Holy Book to deny free will.

If we do not have it, there is only one other alternative... and it is not because of of being created "less" or fallen short of the glory of God... it would be as Isaiah 45:7 7 states I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. And that would mean we have zero choice in areas of our lives because the master puppeteer, Our Father in Heaven controls the strings.
There's no puppeteer, there's no robots. God merely set things in motion as created and He knew the end game/result. We do not have any say on spiritual matters. It's "Thy kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in heaven. God knows the end from the beginning because He's ordained the end.
You final paragraph here begs for comment but I have no time now. Perhaps later.

But in the meantime I would like to ask you if you believe that God's Sovereignty is all controlling?
God is Sovereign. But this doesn't mean He's controlling.
Also are you a full or partial preterist?
If you look at the myriad of definitions they, too, are all over the board.
Neither. I am a Biblical Christian.
Would you not feel comforted If, he is controlling everything... to know that that flat tire, or running out of gas were controlled.
I don't have to worry about things like that. Things that are eternal, THAT'S where I focus my thoughts.
The Gospel Coalition definition

Yes, "sovereign" means that God has supreme authority and control over all creation, governing everything according to His will. This concept is central to Christian theology, emphasizing that nothing happens outside of God's control.

Just one link from Christianity today....

If God is Sovereign, Did God Create Evil?

Watch Kay Arthur explain this complex question about how God in His sovereignty brings both prosperity and disaster.

“My husband and I have been through trials we never thought we’d go through. But we can walk in peace because we know that God is sovereign. And this God that sits on the throne, that creates good, that creates adversity; He is love.”

Billy Graham wrote the following
I know... there are those on here that truly detested that man.... but
From the writings of the Rev. Billy Graham

For centuries, theologians have disagreed about God’s absolute control over everything, others emphasizing our freedom to act on our own. The reason they haven’t agreed is because the Bible teaches both God’s sovereignty and our human responsibility.

This may sound like a contradiction, but the Bible does not contradict itself; rather it says, “The entirety of [God’s] Word is truth” (Psalm 119:160).

It is unlikely that we’ll have a complete understanding of this until we get to Heaven. But until that day, we need to hold firmly to both truths: God is in control of everything, but we’re also responsible for our actions. Why is this important?
No, there are things we can know. If it's revealed in Scripture, then they are for us and our children:

29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut. 29:29.

Having commentaries and theology books are OK but unless you study for yourself then you're only regurgitating another man's bible study.
The Bible says, “For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him” (Philippians 2:14, NLT).

God is working behind the scenes to accomplish His purposes. This is why prayer is so vital to living the Christian life and making decisions that are according to His will. The Psalmist wrote, “I delight to do Your will” (Psalm 40:8).
Correct.
Knowing God’s will is the highest of all wisdom. If we’re ignorant of God’s Word, we’ll be ignorant of God’s will. The greatest barrier is that we want to run our own lives. This battle is going on in our hearts between our wills and God’s will.

Just as God gave the first man, Adam, freedom to choose, so He’s given all people this same freedom. We’re not mere puppets. God’s desire is that we will seek His wisdom and obey His instruction. In this way, we can live the abundant life that He promises.
Find peace with God today.
Related Answers:
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Why should we pray according to God’s will?
Are God's blessings tied to doing His will?
Is a 'no' from God really a blessing?

Now, I have to run.... I will be back hopefully.
The presence of "Thou shalt not" in the Garden is evidence man was sinful.
He wasn't even tempted. He chose based on the one thing.
Sin nature.
 
ImCo,
the judgement day is the separation of the sheep to enter HIS heavenly kingdom from the goats sent to perdition, Matt 25, at the Great White Throne.

Yes, there is a judgment day. But according to Scriptures, what separate goats from sheep are our works. I posted just some of Paul's teaching that shows this. Therefore, the Judgment of Abraham was based on "Whom he Yielded Himself a servant to obey", while he was alive. "IF", in his life, he "offered himself a living sacrifice to God, Holy, acceptable to God", which is simply just his reasonable service, then he is promised by God to be judged as His sheep. If he "Yielded himself" a servant to obey another voice, the religious course of this world, and partake with the "children of disobedience", who transgress god's Judgments and commandments in order to keep their worldly traditions, he is judged as a goat. The battle that determines this is fought in the minds of men who "Press for the Prize of the High calling of God", (The perfection) which was in Christ Jesus. This is why Paul teaches to "Labor" that we might be accepted of Him.

A very unpopular way of life and preached against by this world's religious system, even as the spirit of the same world, convinced Eve to "walk" in a different "way of life" than God's Word gave her.

The believers who sin (ie, the sinful sheep gone astray into sin) are never judged or condemned, Jn 3:18.

It is a popular religious tradition of this world to take one Scripture from the Bible, and separate it from the rest of the Scriptures, then USE it to justify disobedience.

The Jesus did this all the time. They were convinced by the "other voice" that they could live in rejection and disobedience to God's Judgments, statutes and Laws, but then every week, take a few sentences from Scripture, AKA, "Law and Prophets", and "USE" these scriptures to justify their practice of "Full well rejecting the commandment of God, that they may keep their own tradition".

Isaiah speaks to this very thing in Chapter 1, should you be interested in "doing truth".

So it seems prudent not to follow their pernicious ways, and consider more of the Christ's Words in John 3, so as to make sure we understand what HIS True message is.

John 3: 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, "because" their deeds were evil.

This would be "because" their loved their traditions which transgressed God's Commandments, more than the Words of the Light, that teaches to "Live By" every word of God, and not the traditions of man.

This next part really registered with me in the fight against disobedience that Paul and I partook of in our minds.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds "should be reproved".

So this man, who professes to know God, is careful not to trust the Word of God, (Christ) "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" "BECAUSE" they might expose a religious tradition or practice that transgressed God's Commandments, that he is not willing to give up. We see this with the mainstream religions of Jesus' Time quite clearly.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, "that his deeds" may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. (Not in man)

This man knows he loves darkness, but wants to fight against it. So he "Comes to Every "Word of God", for the sole purpose of exposing his deeds, to show him if they are wrought in God or not.

John speaks to this very thing in 1 John 2: 3-6. "And hereby "we do know" that we know him"! Men that "doeth truth" can read this scripture and see how John and Jesus were on the same page.

This is what I advocate, that men study God's Word between God and him, with no "other voice". When a man does this, he will find out who receives no "Condemnation".

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, "who walk" not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Because as Paul also teaches;

1 Cor. 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

"Many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, don't really "Believe" in the Jesus Paul promotes.
 
I accept the Day of our LORD as a real time event:
2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to conduct yourselves in holiness and godliness 12 as you anticipate and hasten the coming of the day of God, when the heavens will be destroyed by fire and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with God’s promise, we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

Me too. It is truly a Prophesied event that has yet to be fulfilled. And is the very reason why we should be careful to "yield our self's to God, and our body "as instruments of Righteousness unto God" and not yield ourselves to the doctrines and religious traditions promoted by this world's religious system. Peter expounds on this in the very next verse.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

We can not be "diligent" for anything, while we are dead waiting for this event. Therefore, we are to be "Diligent" in this life God's gives us, while we are still able to "Live By" the Word's that the Jesus "of the bible" instructs us to Live by.
 
Man was created "missing the mark" ("sin-ful") and this why he sinned and disobeyed God. He was a sinner before the eating from the tree. He added to God's Word when he said, "neither shall ye touch it."
You got a scripture for this? Probably not.

Was Lucifer created evil? No. Ezekiel 28 tells us so.

Why do you think Jesus came? He came to destroy death, which is the devil. Why would God create evil just to destroy it?
Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV) Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

s e l a h
 
Man could not have been sinful before the fall. Man wasn't sinful till right before this happened:

Genesis 3:8-9 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”…
 
Man could not have been sinful before the fall. Man wasn't sinful till right before this happened:

Genesis 3:8-9 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”…

It is a fascinating insight into Jesus Words in John 3:20 isn't it? For me, there is a lot of knowledge in the Word of God's teaching for us, concerning the very first deception ever recorded, and what it means as admonition and examples written specifically for us, upon whom the ends of the world has come.
 
GINOLJC, to all.
These things 101G know, but you said,

where is the scripture that states "God created man sinful?". book chapter and verse please.

101G.
Again, there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.

Think it through.
 
Again, there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to NO ONE.

Think it through.
so we can take this as you have no scripture that states, "that God created man sinful?"... thought so.
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101G.
 
Man could not have been sinful before the fall. Man wasn't sinful till right before this happened:

Genesis 3:8-9 Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9But the LORD God called out to the man, “Where are you?”…
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

Q: Is lying a sin?
A: Yes.

Q: Did the man and woman sin before eating from the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil when they added to God's Word - "neither shall ye touch it"?
A: Yes.

Therefore, the man and woman were sinners before they ate from the forbidden Tree.
This also means there was no "Fall" of man. If once sinners, then there is nowhere to "fall" from.
Sin comes from sinners. Sin does not come from holy.
The man and woman sinned BECAUSE they were sinners; they are NOT sinners because they sinned. The first statement upholds the Doctrine of Imputation; the second statement 'destroys' the Doctrine of Imputation. In other words, you cannot have the Doctrine of Imputation if it is the act of sin that makes 'you' a sinner.

21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21.
[the words in bracket were added by the translators of the KJV.]

It was not the acts of sin that was imputed to Jesus by which Jesus died but a sin nature that was imputed to Jesus on the cross by God which killed Him. It was a nature-swap. He was imputed our sin nature, and we imputed His Righteous nature. In this we partake of the divine nature of God:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4.

Ya falla?
 
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

Q: Is lying a sin?
A: Yes.

Q: Did the man and woman sin before eating from the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil when they added to God's Word - "neither shall ye touch it"?
A: Yes.

Therefore, the man and woman were sinners before they ate from the forbidden Tree.
This also means there was no "Fall" of man. If once sinners, then there is nowhere to "fall" from.
Sin comes from sinners. Sin does not come from holy.
The man and woman sinned BECAUSE they were sinners; they are NOT sinners because they sinned. The first statement upholds the Doctrine of Imputation; the second statement 'destroys' the Doctrine of Imputation. In other words, you cannot have the Doctrine of Imputation if it is the act of sin that makes 'you' a sinner.

21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21.
[the words in bracket were added by the translators of the KJV.]

It was not the acts of sin that was imputed to Jesus by which Jesus died but a sin nature that was imputed to Jesus on the cross by God which killed Him. It was a nature-swap. He was imputed our sin nature, and we imputed His Righteous nature. In this we partake of the divine nature of God:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. 2 Peter 1:4.

Ya falla?
ERROR, God did not create man sinful, nor was the command ..... that the tree of Good and evil could not be eaten at all. but it could be eaten, but not without God. man could not eat by himself. or on his own

101G suggest you read Genesis 2:16 &17.

101G.
 
true, and agree, but is not everything of the heart, ...... God based? are we not in God ... "IMAGE", and God is a Spirit.

101G.
The heart is only an organ whose function is to pump blood. Salvation occurs in the mind. The word "repentance/repent is the Greek word "metanoia" which means "changing [one's] mind." True repentance worthy of God is a change of the mind, to make 180 degrees change from one thing to a complete opposite. And repentance is a gift of God. The repentance that results in salvation is an act of God. With justification comes sanctification, a conforming into the image of Christ.

God created man from the dust of the ground. Man is of the earth, earthy; but the Lord is from heaven. Natural man (Adam) is not the image of God, Christ is. There is no better image of a Father than a Son and when we are born-again we are being conformed into the image of Christ, not Adam.
God is Spirit, we are not. Is the image of God a sinful nature? We are still in this body of this death. Our sin nature doesn't reflect the glory of God, does it? And we still possess a sin nature.
 
Salvation occurs in the mind. The word "repentance/repent is the Greek word "metanoia" which means "changing [one's] mind." True repentance worthy of God is a change of the mind, to make 180 degrees change from one thing to a complete opposite. And repentance is a gift of God. The repentance that results in salvation is an act of God. With justification comes sanctification, a conforming into the image of Christ.
What do you think... get it, THINK heart means biblically? ... Oh my Lord]

101G.
 
You got a scripture for this? Probably not.
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:3.

Did God say anything about not touching the Tree? No. So, Adam may have - and it's reasonable to conclude - but Eve definitely added to God's Word.
Lying is a sin. The existence of "Thou shalt not" in the Garden (to Adam) is proof man was created a sinner, which is why he sinned. Sin does not come from holy. The last Adam proved this. Christ was Holy, Christ was Righteous and He did no sin.

Isaiah states "There is only ONE God; there is NONE like Him; He gives His glory to NO ONE." Now, with this in hand what was the creative 'make-up' of Adam? Was he holy? Yes? Then God gave him His glory. Was he sinless? If yes, then God gave him His glory and Isaiah is a false prophet for lying.
There's only one of two ways to look at this. Either Adam sinned because he was a sinner, or he is a sinner because he sinned. Be careful. The first statement upholds the Doctrine of Imputation; the second statement doesn't.
Was Lucifer created evil? No. Ezekiel 28 tells us so.
Yes, he was. God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself nor can He reduplicate any aspect of His Nature in created matter.
Why do you think Jesus came? He came to destroy death, which is the devil. Why would God create evil just to destroy it?
Hebrews 2:14 (NKJV) Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

s e l a h
The devil doesn't control death. He is under the same judgment of sorts as man is. Death is the punishment for sin, not the devil. Besides this, "devil" is an adjective. You can't make it a noun or pronoun.
 
so we can take this as you have no scripture that states, "that God created man sinful?"... thought so.
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101G.
You must have a mental block.
One more time...

There is only ONE God
There is NONE like Him
He gives His glory to NO ONE.

Let me ask you:

Was Adam created holy?
Was Adam created sinless?
Was Adam created eternal?
Was Adam created righteous?

What does this mean?

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Romans 7:7–11.

Apply verse 7 to Adam

ADAM: I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known disobedience, except the law had said, Thou shalt not eat of it [the Tree.]

The existence of "Thou shalt not" in the Garden - whether Command or written Law - proves the man was sinful/sinner.

When the command "Thou shalt not eat of it" came, sin was exposed, and Adam died. Even if he didn't disobey God he would have died in time because he was NOT eternal. Therefore, if he lacks even one glory of God, then he falls short of God's glory. The word for that is "sin/sinner."
There are only two Persons who can stand blameless before a Holy and Righteous God, and they are the Holy Son and Holy Spirit. Everyone and everything else fall short of God's glory. Not even the universe is eternal.
 
Apply verse 7 to Adam

ADAM: I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known disobedience, except the law had said, Thou shalt not eat of it [the Tree.]
Thank ... did you get it? ADAM was not to eat" . Thou, Thou, Thou shalt not eat of it [the Tree.].

Thou..... shall not eat. oh what an eye opener..... but many cannot see/understand...... oh boy.


101G.
 
ERROR, God did not create man sinful, nor was the command ..... that the tree of Good and evil could not be eaten at all. but it could be eaten, but not without God. man could not eat by himself. or on his own

101G suggest you read Genesis 2:16 &17.

101G.
Leaning upon your own understanding is dominant in your thinking.
Adding to the bible is what Adam and Eve did with "neither shall ye touch it [the Tree.]"

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.
 
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