brightfame52
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It's True and you should be careful about what you say about God
Deliverance from Calvinism
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Hosanna
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It's who Calvinist make God out to be. So I'm not the one who needs to be careful.
Neil Spargo
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Nope All means all.
Romans 8:33-34 is about the unwavering assurance that no accusations or condemnation from others can separate believers from the love of Christ, as Christ intercedes on their behalf before God.
brightfame52
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Okay
brightfame52
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All what?
Hello to the group,
You will never change brightfame52's mind. He has been doing this same thing for years. If you want to keep yourself entertained though, by all means. I dont question his salvation. You will question his love for the tulip though, lol. As long as we aren't going over it at the dinner table, and just enjoy the food it would be nice to have a meal with him assuredly.
Sorry brightfame52, you a just a great mystery to me of why you been doing this same sthick for years, but I know God has no favorites, and he loves you just as much as he loves me, well... of course unless I am just totally depraved and need him to intervine with me which he did do that finally at the age of 26, but I don't see myself as some elect person.
The reason why, is just by simply reading the narratives, but I digress. May we all live by the spirit of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, and live for him, not for popularity online. Or whatever one may try to obtain, because I already made up my own mind.
Thank you for your time,
Matthew
You will never change brightfame52's mind. He has been doing this same thing for years. If you want to keep yourself entertained though, by all means. I dont question his salvation. You will question his love for the tulip though, lol. As long as we aren't going over it at the dinner table, and just enjoy the food it would be nice to have a meal with him assuredly.
Sorry brightfame52, you a just a great mystery to me of why you been doing this same sthick for years, but I know God has no favorites, and he loves you just as much as he loves me, well... of course unless I am just totally depraved and need him to intervine with me which he did do that finally at the age of 26, but I don't see myself as some elect person.
The reason why, is just by simply reading the narratives, but I digress. May we all live by the spirit of the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, and live for him, not for popularity online. Or whatever one may try to obtain, because I already made up my own mind.
Thank you for your time,
Matthew
Neil Spargo
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The phrase "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me" is found in John 12:32 of the Bible. It refers to Jesus speaking about His crucifixion, indicating that His death would attract all people to Him, symbolizing the salvation He offers. This statement encompasses not only His crucifixion but also His resurrection and ascension, emphasizing the significance of His sacrifice for humanity.
Neil Spargo
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I think your right
Hello Neil,
Yes. I don't want people to waste their time! You can spend it on other things.
All the best,
Matthew
Yes. I don't want people to waste their time! You can spend it on other things.
All the best,
Matthew
Neil Spargo
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True that. Thanks
brightfame52
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That's all the elect friend. I'm sure you are familiar with Tulip, Limited and effectual atonement.
Angelo
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Salvation is available to all, every one that believes.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For in it is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:16–17
Jesus died so that everyone could come to Him for salvation. The word gospel means good news. It’s not just “news,” it is “good news.” The gospel itself really is very good news for everyone.
In Luke 2:10 the angel announced, “Behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which will be to all people”. Yet the gospel would be very bad news to most people if, in fact, God had made a divine choice before their birth, to consign millions to hell, thus depriving them of any possibility of being redeemed. That is what is taught in Calvinism.
The Bible describes Jesus as “the Savior of the world,” and not just “the Savior of the elect.” We must pay careful attention to the occurrences and uses of the words “world” and “all” in Scripture, making sure that we allow the context to guide us as to their meaning and scope.
Take a look at the use of these two words in the following verses: “. . . because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe” 1Tim 4:10
Similarly, we need to notice the choice of wording in 1 John 2:2: “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world ”.
I think it is urgent that we dispel the dark clouds of misunderstanding and proclaim afresh the truth that the gospel is wonderful news for the entire world, not just for a selected group.
Our heavenly Father longs to reveal His redemptive plan to all, including the educationally deprived. The verses quoted above are just two of a number of texts that many Calvinists would love the apostles to have worded differently.
Fortunately, their integrity and their deep love and respect for Scripture as the inspired Word of God restrains them from yielding to any desire to misquote the text!
No so with Calvinists.
“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved”.
“Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world”.
These verses are explicit and inescapably clear. How can “the world” mean anything else but all human beings?
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For in it is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Romans 1:16–17
Jesus died so that everyone could come to Him for salvation. The word gospel means good news. It’s not just “news,” it is “good news.” The gospel itself really is very good news for everyone.
In Luke 2:10 the angel announced, “Behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which will be to all people”. Yet the gospel would be very bad news to most people if, in fact, God had made a divine choice before their birth, to consign millions to hell, thus depriving them of any possibility of being redeemed. That is what is taught in Calvinism.
The Bible describes Jesus as “the Savior of the world,” and not just “the Savior of the elect.” We must pay careful attention to the occurrences and uses of the words “world” and “all” in Scripture, making sure that we allow the context to guide us as to their meaning and scope.
Take a look at the use of these two words in the following verses: “. . . because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe” 1Tim 4:10
Similarly, we need to notice the choice of wording in 1 John 2:2: “And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world ”.
I think it is urgent that we dispel the dark clouds of misunderstanding and proclaim afresh the truth that the gospel is wonderful news for the entire world, not just for a selected group.
Our heavenly Father longs to reveal His redemptive plan to all, including the educationally deprived. The verses quoted above are just two of a number of texts that many Calvinists would love the apostles to have worded differently.
Fortunately, their integrity and their deep love and respect for Scripture as the inspired Word of God restrains them from yielding to any desire to misquote the text!
No so with Calvinists.
“For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved”.
“Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world”.
These verses are explicit and inescapably clear. How can “the world” mean anything else but all human beings?
Amen, but to accept the scriptures posted, Calvinists would have to reject their doctrine.
God loves the human race and wishes that we should not perish. He has uses the universal term “whoever” in His Word both to invite all indiscriminately to choose life and to cut off every excuse of unbelievers. He shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world when He invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ.
Joshua 24:15
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live, / and that you may love the LORD your God, obey Him, and hold fast to Him. For He is your life, and He will prolong your life in the land that the LORD swore to give to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
Joshua 24:15
But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
Deuteronomy 30:19-20
I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Therefore choose life, so that you and your descendants may live, / and that you may love the LORD your God, obey Him, and hold fast to Him. For He is your life, and He will prolong your life in the land that the LORD swore to give to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”
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Angelo
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John Piper wrote, “Faith is the evidence of new birth, not the cause of it.” “Regeneration precedes faith,”
R. C. Sproul explained. He added, “We do not believe in order to be born again; we are born again in order to believe.”
R. Albert Mohler Jr. also affirmed that regeneration precedes faith: In the mystery of the sovereign purposes of God and by his sheer grace and mercy alone, the Word was brought near to us. As a result, we were called, made alive, and regenerated. We then believed what we otherwise would never have been able to believe, and we grasped hold of it, knowing that it is the sole provision of our need. We came to know of our need and of God’s response and provision for us in Christ, and then we came to know of our necessary response of faith, repentance, confession, and belief.
According to these views of total depravity, spiritual blindness and deadness results in the enslavement of the human will so that people do not have the ability to repent and believe the message of the gospel unless they are first regenerated, or born again.
R. C. Sproul explained. He added, “We do not believe in order to be born again; we are born again in order to believe.”
R. Albert Mohler Jr. also affirmed that regeneration precedes faith: In the mystery of the sovereign purposes of God and by his sheer grace and mercy alone, the Word was brought near to us. As a result, we were called, made alive, and regenerated. We then believed what we otherwise would never have been able to believe, and we grasped hold of it, knowing that it is the sole provision of our need. We came to know of our need and of God’s response and provision for us in Christ, and then we came to know of our necessary response of faith, repentance, confession, and belief.
According to these views of total depravity, spiritual blindness and deadness results in the enslavement of the human will so that people do not have the ability to repent and believe the message of the gospel unless they are first regenerated, or born again.
However One is regenerated, born of God, made alive, his children, indwelt by the Spirit when they believe.
John 1:12–13 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.
Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)
Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Galatians 3:26 (LEB) — 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
Acts 15:7–9 (LEB) — 7 And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.
Angelo
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If total depravity as the inability to repent and believe is true which it isn't, then two implications follow.
First, people are able to exercise faith in Christ only if and after God gives them the gift of faith through the grace of regeneration.
Second, all commands and invitations in the Bible to repent and believe can be obeyed only by people to whom God first gives faith and who are first born again by the Holy Spirit.
This shows how illogical how Calvinism is.
The acronym TULIP—lead to contradictions or conclusions that defy common sense, morality, or scriptural interpretations embraced by other Christian bible teachers.
First, people are able to exercise faith in Christ only if and after God gives them the gift of faith through the grace of regeneration.
Second, all commands and invitations in the Bible to repent and believe can be obeyed only by people to whom God first gives faith and who are first born again by the Holy Spirit.
This shows how illogical how Calvinism is.
The acronym TULIP—lead to contradictions or conclusions that defy common sense, morality, or scriptural interpretations embraced by other Christian bible teachers.
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