Deliverance from Calvinism
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According to your misbegotten logic, faith is not required to be saved.
You clearly do not understand the logical meaning of the word "and" in sentences like Romans 9:9-10. Actually, I think you do, but you are guilty of what you accuse others of doing, namely, you ignore scripture.
The statement, If A and B then C, presents both A and B as necessary for C.
That is you conclusion?
Of course I do not
I have never thought or said that he did deny the necessity of faith in salvation. But he is definitely denying what the Bible says is necessary for salvation.
The statement, "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved", clearly states that both believing and baptizing are necessary to be saved.
He appears to want a verbal confession when I simply accept belief.
Yes, but it does establish necessary conditions for salvation. It establishes the fact that faith is not the one and only condition for salvation.
You do not simply accept belief. You not only establish faith as a condition; you establish faith as the only condition. That is false as, for example, what is stated in Romans 10 and more that a few other passages in the NT.
And it has nothing to do with what I want. It has to do with what the bible says.
Nonsense
I believe the verse is true
It does not, however, say if you do not verbally confess it, you cannot be saved.
What do you do with all the verses that do not mention confession, and, as I asked you, does
That means those without the power of speech cannot be saved?
Or how about the one who comes to faith just a moment before his death.
Blessed
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Ok what does the the bible say?
What must I do to be saved?
Saved means SAVED! It means delivered from a fate that, without intervention by another party, would result in injury or death. It means to be preserved.
Any good dictionary will tell you that being saved, in the religious sense, involves deliverance or preservation—redemption. God says true salvation is being delivered from death, but this is not what is commonly believed.
What must I do to be saved?
Saved means SAVED! It means delivered from a fate that, without intervention by another party, would result in injury or death. It means to be preserved.
Any good dictionary will tell you that being saved, in the religious sense, involves deliverance or preservation—redemption. God says true salvation is being delivered from death, but this is not what is commonly believed.
Perhaps to you, given that you do not understand the basics of logical communication.
Yes, but you seem not to understand what it means.
And it does not say that if you do not believe, you cannot be saved.
I add them to all the verses that mention confession.
If that is how you wish to interpret it, that is up to you.
What about the one who comes to faith just a moment before his death? I have never said anything about that. That really has little, if anything, to do with what we are talking about.
And you do? That is a hoot!!
Amos
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No believing is not a work.
"Works salvation" is the belief that a person can earn or merit salvation by performing good deeds and following religious rules. In contrast, many Christian traditions teach that salvation is a free gift from God received through grace by faith in Jesus Christ, not through human effort or works. From this perspective, good works are considered a result or evidence of salvation, not the means of achieving it.
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