Deliverance from Calvinism
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brightfame52
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No Adam lost them, the Sheep sinned in Adam, but they belonged to Christ by election before the foundation.
brightfame52
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No its not, its the True Gospel of the Grace of God
Whosoever
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It's a false gospel.
Preach the Bible instead of Calvinism because the Bible’s words are God-breathed, not some theological formulations. Paul tells us “all Scripture is breathed out by God” . The words written down in Scripture are God’s words. Do we trust God’s sovereign choice of words over Calvinism clever theologizing about tulip?
brightfame52
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Its sad you believe that about the Gospel
Whosoever
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I believe it about the false gospel found in Calvinism. The real gospel fills me with joy.
Angelo
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Seriously ??? Where do they teach that mumbo-jumbo?
You have to be weary and understand there are always mentaly ill, and gullible people that are taken advantage of. Especially with churchs who never teach the gospel in its whole, they just do sermons and speak the devil and satan is around and be weary of hell, just keep people coming back. Cause if you actually teach the bible, you will lose people and money.
Thats what a lot of people are about is that money pot at the end of the night... and how many "salvations" they had gave...
Missing the entire point of spiritual growth and abiding in the Resurrected Lord Yeshua... within them...
I watched a video last week where this person was teaching - they mentioned they didnt have enough time to go through everything cause they were pressed for time and had multiple bapstims to give.. yatta yatta...
So much for teaching old dogs new tricks. Worship team, and Money Gathering team come up, and remember Jesus said its commanded to drink the grape juice, and eat the bread.
Never onces mentioned the spirit or the resurrected the Lord Yeshua, from what I could tell. I did zone out for a moment on other things the teaching concered --- Abrhama and his son.
Thats what a lot of people are about is that money pot at the end of the night... and how many "salvations" they had gave...
Missing the entire point of spiritual growth and abiding in the Resurrected Lord Yeshua... within them...
I watched a video last week where this person was teaching - they mentioned they didnt have enough time to go through everything cause they were pressed for time and had multiple bapstims to give.. yatta yatta...
So much for teaching old dogs new tricks. Worship team, and Money Gathering team come up, and remember Jesus said its commanded to drink the grape juice, and eat the bread.
Never onces mentioned the spirit or the resurrected the Lord Yeshua, from what I could tell. I did zone out for a moment on other things the teaching concered --- Abrhama and his son.
Angelo
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I hear you, we are on the internet with all kinds of different people into all kinds of different things.
brightfame52
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May God have Mercy on you and grant repentance to embracing the truth
brightfame52
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Yes, Man sinned in Adam.
Angelo
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Wrong, By one mans sin, sin entered into the world.
12 Therefore, as sin came into the world through one man, and death as the result of sin, so death spread to all men, [no one being able to stop it or to escape its power] because all men sinned.
13 [To be sure] sin was in the world before ever the Law was given, but sin is not charged to men’s account where there is no law [to transgress].
14 Yet death held sway from Adam to Moses [the Lawgiver], even over those who did not themselves transgress [a positive command] as Adam did. Adam was a type (prefigure) of the One Who was to come [in reverse, the former destructive, the Latter saving]. [Gen. 5:5; 7:22; Deut. 34:5.]
15 But God’s free gift is not at all to be compared to the trespass [His grace is out of all proportion to the fall of man]. For if many died through one man’s falling away (his lapse, his offense), much more profusely did God’s grace and the free gift [that comes] through the undeserved favor of the one Man Jesus Christ abound and overflow to and for [the benefit of] many.
16 Nor is the free gift at all to be compared to the effect of that one [man’s] sin. For the sentence [following the trespass] of one [man] brought condemnation, whereas the free gift [following] many transgressions brings justification (an act of righteousness).
17 For if because of one man’s trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God’s] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
18 Well then, as one man’s trespass [one man’s false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man’s act of righteousness [leads] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.
19 For just as by one man’s disobedience (failing to hear, heedlessness, and carelessness) the many were constituted sinners, so by one Man’s obedience the many will be constituted righteous (made acceptable to God, brought into right standing with Him).
Romans 5:12-19
Whosoever
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For exposing the lie of Calvinism nether repentance or mercy is needful.
In other words, it is a "feeling". That of course is the argument that the Calvinist will make. But there is no scripture to back that up. There is no scripture that says if you feel that you are saved, then you are saved.Better than a tat I have the word of God and His promise. The Promise of Heaven, my forever home. My faith is secure in Jesus.
As a believer I'm "sealed for the day of redemption." Eph 4:30
The Holy Spirit serves as a witness to this, and signs of salvation include a new love for God and others, repentance from sin, and a desire to follow God's will and the teachings of the Bible.
This I know
Jim,
One question that continues to surface is: what does it truly mean to be “saved”? Scripture presents multiple dimensions of salvation—deliverance from disease, from sin, and from the wrath of God. Additionally, there’s the concept of being saved to something: namely, entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Personally, I hold onto the hope of entering that Kingdom. I believe in the promises of God’s adoption—that we are invited to become His children and grow into mature sons and daughters. Through this adoption, we inherit what Christ has: the ability to live by the Spirit of the resurrected Jesus, who strengthens us in our weakness. His righteousness becomes our peace with God, granting us access to Yahweh—whether one refers to Him as Yahavah, Yehovah, Jehovah, or by another reverent name.
This understanding continues to shape my walk, and I wanted to share it with you as part of our ongoing dialogue.
Grace and peace,
Matthew
When speaking of salvation in connection with the spirit, there is only one concept, meaning or dimension of salvation. And that is to be given the gift of eternal life in the Kingdom of God. There are many things that are said to accrue to the one who obtains salvation, but there is only the one concept of salvation spiritually.
Jim,
Your message reminded me of something Paul wrote to Timothy in his first letter:
“For bodily exercise profits a little, but godliness is profitable for all things, having promise of the life that now is and of that which is to come.”
—1 Timothy 4:8 (NKJV)
Devotion to Yahavah—whether you say Yahweh, Yehovah, or Jehovah—is truly profitable in every way. It carries the promise of life now, through the spiritual rebirth we experience in dying to self, being buried with Christ, and rising in the resurrected Spirit of the Lord Yeshua (Jesus).
As Hebrews 11:6 reminds us, “He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” That pursuit brings spiritual blessing in this life, and eternal benefit in the life to come.
Thank you for sharing your heart.
—Matthew
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