Deliverance from Calvinism

[civic]

However One is regenerated, born of God, made alive, his children, indwelt by the Spirit when they believe.

John 1:12–13 (LEB) — 12 But as many as received him—to those who believe in his name—he gave to them authority to become children of God, 13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a husband, but of God.

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 3:26 (LEB) — 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,

Acts 15:7–9 (LEB) — 7 And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

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[Whosoever]

If total depravity as the inability to repent and believe is true which it isn't, then two implications follow.

First, people are able to exercise faith in Christ only if and after God gives them the gift of faith through the grace of regeneration.

Second, all commands and invitations in the Bible to repent and believe can be obeyed only by people to whom God first gives faith and who are first born again by the Holy Spirit.

This shows how illogical how Calvinism is.

The acronym TULIP—lead to contradictions or conclusions that defy common sense, morality, or scriptural interpretations embraced by other Christian bible teachers.

What must be understood is that no one is righteous according to the demands of the law. However, that does not mean that all people are morally unable to believe God’s revealed truth so as to be credited as righteous by God’s grace.

 

[TomL]

100% correct

Faith as a prerequisite is totally contrary to his theology

 

[TomL]

If total depravity as the inability to repent and believe is true which it isn't, then two implications follow.

First, people are able to exercise faith in Christ only if and after God gives them the gift of faith through the grace of regeneration.

Second, all commands and invitations in the Bible to repent and believe can be obeyed only by people to whom God first gives faith and who are first born again by the Holy Spirit.

This shows how illogical how Calvinism is.

The acronym TULIP—lead to contradictions or conclusions that defy common sense, morality, or scriptural interpretations embraced by other Christian bible teachers.

It's like Calvinist theology, which holds that man must be given life that he may believe to obtain life.

 

[Angelo]

It's like Calvinist theology, which holds that man must be given life that he may believe to obtain life.

Yup, shows how illogical how Calvinism is.

 

[TomL]

What must be understood is that no one is righteous according to the demands of the law. However, that does not mean that all people are morally unable to believe God’s revealed truth so as to be credited as righteous by God’s grace.

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Rom 1:17 For the righteousness of God is revealed in it from faith to faith, just as it is written, “But the one who is righteous by faith will live.”

Rom 3:21–22 But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified about by the law and the prophets—that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction,

Rom 4:3–5 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.” Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited according to grace, but according to his due. But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

Rom 5:1 Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Gal 3:11 Now it is clear that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law, because “the one who is righteous will live by faith.”

Heb 10:38 But my righteous one will live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul is not well pleased with him.”

Hab 2:4 Look! His spirit within him is puffed up; it is not upright. But the righteous shall live by his faithfulness.

Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

 

[Amos]

There's no different approach, the all in Jn 12:32 is only the Sheep Jn 10

There is Calvinist approach "blind leading the blind" or the straight and narrow path to Jesus that's open to all. You find it if you look for it. The only requirement for entrance is faith in Jesus Christ.

God saves man by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. No works before, during, or after the moment of faith in Christ contribute anything to the free gift of forgiveness and eternal life one receives through faith in Christ.

 

[TomL]

There's no different approach, the all in Jn 12:32 is only the Sheep Jn 10

There is no mention of sheep in John chapter 12

 

[civic]

There is no mention of sheep in John chapter 12

It’s that invisible ink that only a few are able to see

 

[TomL]

It’s that invisible ink that only a few are able to see

His imagination he finds necessary to hold that doctrine.

 

[Jim]

Rom 10:9–10 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

So then, is confessing with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" necessary to be saved? Or is this another one of those places like Mark 16:16 where the conjunction "and" defies the logical conjunction rule?

 

[Aeliana]

I don't know a think about the logical conjunction rule, but I see it as a declaration that I'm a sinner in need of a Savior.

Confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord means to publicly declare your faith in Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life. This declaration is a way of acknowledging Jesus' authority and commitment to follow Him. It is a public acknowledgment of Jesus' lordship, which was especially significant in the context of first-century Rome, where declaring Jesus as Lord was a bold statement that placed believers in direct conflict with the imperial cult.

This act of confession is not just a verbal statement but a commitment to live under the lordship of Christ, recognizing Him as both your Savior and your Master.

 

[Jim]

I don't know a think about the logical conjunction rule, but I see it as a declaration that I'm a sinner in need of a Savior.

Confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord means to publicly declare your faith in Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life. This declaration is a way of acknowledging Jesus' authority and commitment to follow Him. It is a public acknowledgment of Jesus' lordship, which was especially significant in the context of first-century Rome, where declaring Jesus as Lord was a bold statement that placed believers in direct conflict with the imperial cult.

This act of confession is not just a verbal statement but a commitment to live under the lordship of Christ, recognizing Him as both your Savior and your Master.

That is all well and good, but you didn't really answer the question. Does Romans 10:9-10 mean that confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is Lord" is necessary in order to be saved? It is not a trick question; the answer should be easy.

 

[Jim]

There is Calvinist approach "blind leading the blind" or the straight and narrow path to Jesus that's open to all. You find it if you look for it. The only requirement for entrance is faith in Jesus Christ.

God saves man by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. No works before, during, or after the moment of faith in Christ contribute anything to the free gift of forgiveness and eternal life one receives through faith in Christ.

What do you define as "works"? Is believing a work?

 

[Aeliana]

That is all well and good, but you didn't really answer the question. Does Romans 10:9-10 mean that confessing with your mouth that "Jesus is Lord" is necessary in order to be saved? It is not a trick question; the answer should be easy.

Well and good is going to have to work.

"Confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord means to publicly declare your faith in Jesus Christ" And that is necessary.

Is my answer and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Jim]

Well and good is going to have to work.

"Confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord means to publicly declare your faith in Jesus Christ" And that is necessary.

Is my answer and I'm sticking to it.

I am happy that is your answer. I agree. Moreover, it is something that you do, i.e., it is a work but not a work of law.

 

[TomL]

So then, is confessing with your mouth "Jesus is Lord" necessary to be saved? Or is this another one of those places like Mark 16:16 where the conjunction "and" defies the logical conjunction rule?

It does reveal a truth, but faith is what is necessary for salvation.

 

[Jim]

It does reveal a truth, but faith is what is necessary for salvation.

Of course, faith is necessary for salvation. But Romans 10:9-10 also logically states that confession with the mouth is necessary also. There is no other way to understand what is said there.

 

[TomL]

Of course, faith is necessary for salvation. But Romans 10:9-10 also logically states that confession with the mouth is necessary also. There is no other way to understand what is said there.

Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


It does not say you cannot be saved without a vebal confession.

 

[Jim]

Romans 10:9 (LEB) — 9 that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


It does not say you cannot be saved without a vebal confession.

And it does not say that you cannot be saved without believing in your heart that God raised him from the dead.