Christendom's Trinity: Where Did It Come From?

It only proves you do not understand that we in this life speak about what is. Not what is not.
You made the claim, therefore you bear the burden of proof.
because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God
You claim a doctrinal impossibility.
Now you must give scripture as proof.
All you are doing is dismissing my question so that you dont have to give an answer.

1Thessalonians 5:21,
- Prove all things hold fast that which is good
 
The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100% man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other.
Can we simply address this error of yours....? For if you could have the ability to understand most all would fall into place for you.

You say “Nothing can be 100% of two different things.”

That statement IS philosophically false.

Things absolutely can be 100% of two things when the “things” are different categories, not competing substances. Some Examples for you... nothing theological yet..........

A person can be 100% a father and 100% a son
A book can be 100% paper and 100% information
A human can be 100% biological and 100% personal

These are not contradictions because they answer different questions.

A contradiction is saying Jesus is 100% God and not God at the same time in the same respect. That is not what Christians claim.

Do you even what the doctrine actually says ?​


The doctrine does NOT say... Jesus is one nature that is half divine and half human, nor Jesus is a blended nature
or Jesus is God in His humanity or human in His divinity

What it does say is.... One Person subsists in two distinct natures — divine and human — without confusion, change, division, or separation.

"Two natures” does not mean “two beings” or “two minds fighting each other.” It means two complete sets of attributes united in one person.

Can you answer this.....? Why do you fight and object to the "laws of nature" so much?

Christianity does not say the incarnation is a natural event. In fact, it says it is a supernatural act of God.

Do you disagree with the fact that God is not bound by the systems He created?

Appealing to “laws of nature” assumes God cannot act beyond nature of which is itself an unbiblical assumption.

Fact.. big FACT If God cannot transcend nature, creation itself is impossible.

Additionally, the doctrine of the Trinity does not claim that Jesus is a "blend" or a "50/50" hybrid. Instead, it posits that one Person subsists in two distinct natures ...divine and human....without the two being confused or divided.

You say “both natures would have to know about each other” as a claim is a non sequitur

Knowledge belongs to persons, not natures. A “nature” does not “know” things — persons do, according to the capacities of their nature.

Biblical example:

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.....Jesus says He does not know the day or hour

John 2:25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man....Yet He knows what is in man

This is Not a contradiction but different capacities, in the same person. It is scripture itself showing Jesus sometimes acting according to His humanity and sometimes according to His divinity. That distinction is explicitly biblical.

Question for you @Peterlag .....

Do you accept everything Scripture says about Jesus, even when it forces conclusions you wouldn’t arrive at philosophically?

I ask because you seemingly rejects clear biblical data and you elevate human reasoning over revelation. Not to mention you do accuses Scripture of nonsense when it exceeds human categories

Restating some of the above......

The “dual nature” doctrine doesn’t claim Jesus is 100% God and 100% man in the same respect. That would be a contradiction. It claims one Person subsists in two distinct natures, which is not logically incoherent.

Scripture clearly teaches Jesus is truly God (Jn 1:1; Col 2:9) and truly human (Jn 1:14; Heb 2:17). The doctrine exists because the Bible forces both conclusions at once.

Appealing to the “laws of nature” assumes God cannot act beyond nature, which would rule out creation itself. And “natures” don’t know things ... persons do, according to the capacities of their nature. Scripture itself shows Jesus sometimes acting according to His humanity and sometimes according to His divinity.

The real question is whether we allow Scripture to define Christ, or whether we reject what it teaches when it exceeds our philosophical comfort?

It is this latter point that I am fearful of where you hang your hat.
 
It seems intelligent and informed input on the subject of debating the Trinity comes from the unitarian camp. It seems low intelligence, ignorance, and an incapacity for critical thought are prerequisites for membership in trinitarian circles.
It seems that not all replies are read by both sides.

Ill say no more lest I be accused of name calling.... though sticks and stone yada yada have at me all you want....
 
Can we simply address this error of yours....? For if you could have the ability to understand most all would fall into place for you.

You say “Nothing can be 100% of two different things.”

That statement IS philosophically false.

Things absolutely can be 100% of two things when the “things” are different categories, not competing substances. Some Examples for you... nothing theological yet..........

A person can be 100% a father and 100% a son
A book can be 100% paper and 100% information
A human can be 100% biological and 100% personal

These are not contradictions because they answer different questions.

A contradiction is saying Jesus is 100% God and not God at the same time in the same respect. That is not what Christians claim.

Do you even what the doctrine actually says ?​


The doctrine does NOT say... Jesus is one nature that is half divine and half human, nor Jesus is a blended nature
or Jesus is God in His humanity or human in His divinity

What it does say is.... One Person subsists in two distinct natures — divine and human — without confusion, change, division, or separation.

"Two natures” does not mean “two beings” or “two minds fighting each other.” It means two complete sets of attributes united in one person.

Can you answer this.....? Why do you fight and object to the "laws of nature" so much?

Christianity does not say the incarnation is a natural event. In fact, it says it is a supernatural act of God.

Do you disagree with the fact that God is not bound by the systems He created?

Appealing to “laws of nature” assumes God cannot act beyond nature of which is itself an unbiblical assumption.

Fact.. big FACT If God cannot transcend nature, creation itself is impossible.

Additionally, the doctrine of the Trinity does not claim that Jesus is a "blend" or a "50/50" hybrid. Instead, it posits that one Person subsists in two distinct natures ...divine and human....without the two being confused or divided.

You say “both natures would have to know about each other” as a claim is a non sequitur

Knowledge belongs to persons, not natures. A “nature” does not “know” things — persons do, according to the capacities of their nature.

Biblical example:

Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.....Jesus says He does not know the day or hour

John 2:25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man....Yet He knows what is in man

This is Not a contradiction but different capacities, in the same person. It is scripture itself showing Jesus sometimes acting according to His humanity and sometimes according to His divinity. That distinction is explicitly biblical.

Question for you @Peterlag .....

Do you accept everything Scripture says about Jesus, even when it forces conclusions you wouldn’t arrive at philosophically?

I ask because you seemingly rejects clear biblical data and you elevate human reasoning over revelation. Not to mention you do accuses Scripture of nonsense when it exceeds human categories

Restating some of the above......

The “dual nature” doctrine doesn’t claim Jesus is 100% God and 100% man in the same respect. That would be a contradiction. It claims one Person subsists in two distinct natures, which is not logically incoherent.

Scripture clearly teaches Jesus is truly God (Jn 1:1; Col 2:9) and truly human (Jn 1:14; Heb 2:17). The doctrine exists because the Bible forces both conclusions at once.

Appealing to the “laws of nature” assumes God cannot act beyond nature, which would rule out creation itself. And “natures” don’t know things ... persons do, according to the capacities of their nature. Scripture itself shows Jesus sometimes acting according to His humanity and sometimes according to His divinity.

The real question is whether we allow Scripture to define Christ, or whether we reject what it teaches when it exceeds our philosophical comfort?

It is this latter point that I am fearful of where you hang your hat.
You are not a father. You are a human. The word father is a name, a title.
 
You made the claim, therefore you bear the burden of proof.

You claim a doctrinal impossibility.
Now you must give scripture as proof.
All you are doing is dismissing my question so that you dont have to give an answer.

1Thessalonians 5:21,
- Prove all things hold fast that which is good
Your question makes no sense and thus, holds no water. There's no Trinity. The evidence is that there's no Trinity taught. We do not look for a verse that says there's no Trinity.
 
because Jesus and God have separate wills (Luke 22:42; John 5:30). They would have one will if Jesus and the Father are the same “one God.”
Give Scripture for your doctrine that God cannot be God if He has two wills?
It seems intelligent and informed input on the subject of debating the Trinity comes from the unitarian camp. It seems low intelligence, ignorance, and an incapacity for critical thought are prerequisites for membership in trinitarian circles
 
Peterlag cannot and will not have any ability to see the true God because:
His claims are based on human logic not Scripture.
He created a rule that he demands is the only possibility.
Rule: assumes God must have only one will.

Any passage that violates his created rule supposedly disproves the Godhead.

Peter is judging Gods nature using his own reasoning rather than using Gods revelation.

Peter refuses to show Scripture that supports his claim.

Summary:
Creates his own rules of what God can and cannot be - demands every one else must agree to his logic or he judges you illogical.
Peter determines who God is rather than letting Gods revealed word tell us who He is.
Peter is judging God Himself by the imaginary standards he has created.
This rule Peter created is never given in Scripture.

Scripture warns of relying on our own judgment,
Proverbs 3:5,
- trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thine own understanding

Human reasoning is tainted by pride,
Jeremiah 17:9,
- the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it

Pride blinds spiritual discernment,
Romans 1:21-22,
- their foolish heart was darkened professing themselves to be wise they became fools

2Corinthians 4:3-4,
- but if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them

Paul says Jesus is God to the Corinthian church.
Study the Greek on word image.
To deny Jesus is God is to deny what God has revealed of Himself.
 
You are not a father. You are a human. The word father is a name, a title.
Going back to your statement, “Nothing can be 100% of two different things,” and since philosophical analogies seem to be a distraction, let’s keep this entirely biblical.

Scripture never says Jesus has “two natures,” nor does it ever say He is “100% God and 100% man.”
Those phrases are post-biblical theological constructions.

What Scripture does say is this:

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent; Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?

Hosea 11:9 I will not execute My fierce anger; I will not destroy Ephraim again. For I am God and not man, the Holy One in your midst, And I will not come in wrath.

The Bible draws a clear distinction between what God is and what man is.
It never blurs the two into one being with two natures.

Now what about Jesus? He is repeatedly distinguished.

John 17:3 “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Acts 2:36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ— this Jesus whom you crucified.”

1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

If Jesus were God by nature, Scripture would not repeatedly.....
call the Father “the only true God,”..... say God made Jesus Lord..... or distinguish God from Jesus in this way.



3. Jesus explicitly denies being God​


“Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.”
— Mark 10:18

“The Father is greater than I.”
— John 14:28

“Of that day or hour no one knows, not even the Son, but only the Father.”
— Mark 13:32

Scripture does not explain this by saying “two natures.”
It simply presents Jesus as dependent, obedient, and limited, in contrast to God.




4. Jesus is called a man — not “God-man”​


A man attested to you by God with miracles which God did through him.”
— Acts 2:22

“There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.”
— 1 Timothy 2:5

The Bible never says:


  • “God the Son”
  • “God the man”
  • “God became flesh”

It says:


  • God sent
  • God anointed
  • God raised
  • God worked through



5. “The Word became flesh” does not say “God became flesh”​


“The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”
— John 1:14

John does not say:


“God became flesh.”

And only a few verses later John clarifies:


“No one has ever seen God.”
— John 1:18

Yet people did see Jesus.


So John himself keeps God and the man Jesus distinct.




Short biblical conclusion​


Scripture never teaches that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man.
It teaches that God sent, empowered, anointed, and worked through a man, the Messiah.



One-sentence closer (Scripture-only)​


“The Bible never says God became man or that Jesus has two natures; it consistently says God is God, and Jesus is the man through whom God worked.”

Peterlag cannot and will not have any ability to see the true God because:
His claims are based on human logic not Scripture.
He created a rule that he demands is the only possibility.
Rule: assumes God must have only one will.

Any passage that violates his created rule supposedly disproves the Godhead.

Peter is judging Gods nature using his own reasoning rather than using Gods revelation.

Peter refuses to show Scripture that supports his claim.

Summary:
Creates his own rules of what God can and cannot be - demands every one else must agree to his logic or he judges you illogical.
Peter determines who God is rather than letting Gods revealed word tell us who He is.
Peter is judging God Himself by the imaginary standards he has created.
This rule Peter created is never given in Scripture.

Scripture warns of relying on our own judgment,
Proverbs 3:5,
- trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thine own understanding

Human reasoning is tainted by pride,
Jeremiah 17:9,
- the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it

Pride blinds spiritual discernment,
Romans 1:21-22,
- their foolish heart was darkened professing themselves to be wise they became fools

2Corinthians 4:3-4,
- but if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them

Paul says Jesus is God to the Corinthian church.
Study the Greek on word image.
To deny Jesus is God is to deny what God has revealed of Himself.
Statements of truth, truly stated.
 
Peterlag cannot and will not have any ability to see the true God because:
His claims are based on human logic not Scripture.
He created a rule that he demands is the only possibility.
Rule: assumes God must have only one will.

Any passage that violates his created rule supposedly disproves the Godhead.

Peter is judging Gods nature using his own reasoning rather than using Gods revelation.

Peter refuses to show Scripture that supports his claim.

Summary:
Creates his own rules of what God can and cannot be - demands every one else must agree to his logic or he judges you illogical.
Peter determines who God is rather than letting Gods revealed word tell us who He is.
Peter is judging God Himself by the imaginary standards he has created.
This rule Peter created is never given in Scripture.

Scripture warns of relying on our own judgment,
Proverbs 3:5,
- trust in the Lord with all thy heart and lean not unto thine own understanding

Human reasoning is tainted by pride,
Jeremiah 17:9,
- the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, who can know it

Pride blinds spiritual discernment,
Romans 1:21-22,
- their foolish heart was darkened professing themselves to be wise they became fools

2Corinthians 4:3-4,
- but if our gospel be hid it is hid to them that are lost in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them

Paul says Jesus is God to the Corinthian church.
Study the Greek on word image.
To deny Jesus is God is to deny what God has revealed of Himself.
In 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, Paul does not say that Jesus is God to the Corinthian church ---- 'Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them' . . . . Starting with Adam humanity has been made in the image of God Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

And besides why would Paul contradict himself when in 1 Corinthians 8:6 he clearly distinguished between the two?
Heck, Paul's stance is clear in each and every greeting at the beginning of his epistles ---

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Romans 1:7]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [1 Corinthians 1:3]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [2 Corinthians 1:2]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, [Galatians 1:3]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Ephesians 1:2]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Philippians 1:2], etc., etc., etc.

Paul CLEARLY distinguishes between the God the Father and his Son - the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
You are not a father. You are a human. The word father is a name, a title.
The Bible never says:

Jesus is the Father or the Son replaces God and never God ceased to be God

But it does say that the one God acts personally in more than one way.
So let us once again address your belief that You “Nothing can be 100% of two different things.”

then how do you explain what the scriptures say about the one we call Jesus?

This being the one who walked among man for 30 plus years back around 2000 years ago.

We find that Scripture does affirm that Jesus truly IS God. And here are texts that explicitly call Jesus God.

John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Romans 9:5
whose are the patriarchs; and from whom is Christ according to the flesh, being God over all, blessed to the ages. Amen.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

These are not philosophical claims ......they are plain biblical statements.

What else does Scripture tell us? It tells us that Jesus is truly human. Scripture plainly calls Jesus a man:

John 1:14“The Word became flesh.” Gal 4:4 “Born of a woman.” and Acts 2:22 “A man attested to you by God.”

The Bible does not apologize for this tension ..... it states both facts.
What does this mean for you and for me and everyone? Scripture itself holds both truths without calling it a contradiction

Instead of saying “100% God and 100% man,” we can say this (in biblical language only)

Scripture teaches that the one who is God truly entered human life without ceasing to be who He is.

Paul even expresses this without philosophy:

Philippians 2: 6-7 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
(You know... this last verse taking the form, being made in the likeness of men.....is worthy of a discussion on its own for here we are told His form was changed)

Now please, pay attention .....

Paul does not say Jesus stopped being God He says He took something He was not before
So can you guess by what you know of the scriptures what is next????? The Bible uses addition, not subtraction


God adds humanity God does not lose deity.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
( or For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. For those who prefer this wording.)

And this means,

Not “part of deity.” Not “former deity.” All fullness, bodily.
Scripture never says Jesus stopped being God in order to become man. It says that the one who was God took on flesh. The Bible presents this as an act of God, not a logical contradiction.
 
In 2 Corinthians 4:3-4, Paul does not say that Jesus is God to the Corinthian church ---- 'Christ who is the image of God should shine unto them' . . . . Starting with Adam humanity has been made in the image of God Genesis 1:27 - So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

And besides why would Paul contradict himself when in 1 Corinthians 8:6 he clearly distinguished between the two?
Heck, Paul's stance is clear in each and every greeting at the beginning of his epistles ---

Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Romans 1:7]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [1 Corinthians 1:3]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [2 Corinthians 1:2]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, [Galatians 1:3]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Ephesians 1:2]
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. [Philippians 1:2], etc., etc., etc.

Paul CLEARLY distinguishes between the God the Father and his Son - the Lord Jesus Christ.
Hello,
Theres some similarities but not the same.
Genesis is stating the created bears Gods image.
But in the new testament the image is God.
There's not one passage that says Jesus is created.
Genesis 1:15,
- God created man in His image

By stating created beings, changes the context of how image is understood.

Colossians 1:15,
- who  is the image of the invisible God

you see the difference?
One is the image of God.
The others are created beings bearing His image.

2Corinthians 4:3-4,
- in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who IS the image of God should shine unto them

One is His image.
The other created in His image.
I'm thankful for you pointing this out as it helps distinguish how different Jesus is from the rest of God creation.
 
The Old Testament prophecies about the coming Messiah foretold that he would be a human being who would be the offspring of Eve (Genesis 3:15); a descendant of Abraham (Genesis 12:3; 18:18; 22:18); a descendant of Judah (Genesis 49:10; a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15); a son of David (2 Samuel 7:12-13; Isaiah 11:1); a king ruling under Yahweh (Psalm 110:1); and a ruler from among the people of Israel (Jeremiah 30:21). That explains why the people were all expecting a human Messiah. The Old Testament refers to the Messiah as “one like a son of man” and the phrase “son of man” was a Semitic idiom for a human being and it's used that way throughout the Old Testament.

The phrase “son of man” also became a title of the Messiah when Daniel referred to him as “one like a son of man” (Daniel 7:13) and that explains why Jesus called himself “the son of man” many times. The use of the “son of man” in reference to the Messiah is one more piece of evidence that Jesus was fully human and one more reason that people were expecting the Messiah to be human. The New Testament teaches Jesus was a man and Jesus himself said he was “a man who has told you the truth” John 8:40. Jesus was not being disingenuous and hiding his “divine nature” but rather was making a factual statement that reinforced what the Jews were expecting of the Messiah—that he would be a fully human man.
 
The Bible never says:

Jesus is the Father or the Son replaces God and never God ceased to be God

But it does say that the one God acts personally in more than one way.
So let us once again address your belief that You “Nothing can be 100% of two different things.”

then how do you explain what the scriptures say about the one we call Jesus?

This being the one who walked among man for 30 plus years back around 2000 years ago.

We find that Scripture does affirm that Jesus truly IS God. And here are texts that explicitly call Jesus God.

John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Romans 9:5
whose are the patriarchs; and from whom is Christ according to the flesh, being God over all, blessed to the ages. Amen.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

These are not philosophical claims ......they are plain biblical statements.

What else does Scripture tell us? It tells us that Jesus is truly human. Scripture plainly calls Jesus a man:

John 1:14“The Word became flesh.” Gal 4:4 “Born of a woman.” and Acts 2:22 “A man attested to you by God.”

The Bible does not apologize for this tension ..... it states both facts.
What does this mean for you and for me and everyone? Scripture itself holds both truths without calling it a contradiction

Instead of saying “100% God and 100% man,” we can say this (in biblical language only)

Scripture teaches that the one who is God truly entered human life without ceasing to be who He is.

Paul even expresses this without philosophy:

Philippians 2: 6-7 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
(You know... this last verse taking the form, being made in the likeness of men.....is worthy of a discussion on its own for here we are told His form was changed)

Now please, pay attention .....

Paul does not say Jesus stopped being God He says He took something He was not before
So can you guess by what you know of the scriptures what is next????? The Bible uses addition, not subtraction


God adds humanity God does not lose deity.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
( or For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. For those who prefer this wording.)

And this means,

Not “part of deity.” Not “former deity.” All fullness, bodily.
Scripture never says Jesus stopped being God in order to become man. It says that the one who was God took on flesh. The Bible presents this as an act of God, not a logical contradiction.

The Bible never says:

Jesus is the Father or the Son replaces God and never God ceased to be God

But it does say that the one God acts personally in more than one way.
So let us once again address your belief that You “Nothing can be 100% of two different things.”

then how do you explain what the scriptures say about the one we call Jesus?

This being the one who walked among man for 30 plus years back around 2000 years ago.

We find that Scripture does affirm that Jesus truly IS God. And here are texts that explicitly call Jesus God.

John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Romans 9:5
whose are the patriarchs; and from whom is Christ according to the flesh, being God over all, blessed to the ages. Amen.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

These are not philosophical claims ......they are plain biblical statements.

What else does Scripture tell us? It tells us that Jesus is truly human. Scripture plainly calls Jesus a man:

John 1:14“The Word became flesh.” Gal 4:4 “Born of a woman.” and Acts 2:22 “A man attested to you by God.”

The Bible does not apologize for this tension ..... it states both facts.
What does this mean for you and for me and everyone? Scripture itself holds both truths without calling it a contradiction

Instead of saying “100% God and 100% man,” we can say this (in biblical language only)

Scripture teaches that the one who is God truly entered human life without ceasing to be who He is.

Paul even expresses this without philosophy:

Philippians 2: 6-7 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
(You know... this last verse taking the form, being made in the likeness of men.....is worthy of a discussion on its own for here we are told His form was changed)

Now please, pay attention .....

Paul does not say Jesus stopped being God He says He took something He was not before
So can you guess by what you know of the scriptures what is next????? The Bible uses addition, not subtraction


God adds humanity God does not lose deity.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
( or For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. For those who prefer this wording.)

And this means,

Not “part of deity.” Not “former deity.” All fullness, bodily.
Scripture never says Jesus stopped being God in order to become man. It says that the one who was God took on flesh. The Bible presents this as an act of God, not a logical contradiction.
I Googled can something be 100 percent of two different things. Google said...

No, something cannot be 100 percent of two different things. A percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100, meaning it represents a part of a whole. Therefore, when something is 100 percent of one thing, it means it is 100% of that whole. If something is 100 percent of two different things, it would mean it is 100% of one thing and also 100% of the other, which is not possible.
 
Hello,
Theres some similarities but not the same.
Genesis is stating the created bears Gods image.
But in the new testament the image is God.
There's not one passage that says Jesus is created.
Genesis 1:15,
- God created man in His image

By stating created beings, changes the context of how image is understood.

Colossians 1:15,
- who  is the image of the invisible God

you see the difference?
One is the image of God.
The others are created beings bearing His image.
2Corinthians 4:3-4,
- in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ who IS the image of God should shine unto them

One is His image.
The other created in His image.
I'm thankful for you pointing this out as it helps distinguish how different Jesus is from the rest of God creation.
No, I see no difference - mankind was made in the image of God therefore mankind is the image of God - all humanity is the image of God. BTW - that's Genesis 1:27 where God created many in his own image. Both are the image of God . . . .

For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. [1 Corinthians 11:7]

Anyway, an image is NOT the original. So even that language does not mean Jesus is God. Abraham Lincoln's image is on a penny is not Abraham Lincoln. Your image in the mirror is NOT YOU but an image of you.
 
Give Scripture for your doctrine that God cannot be God if He has two wills?
Here we go again. Life on the Earth does not speak what things are not to prove anything. We speak about what is. I can say that I'm a man to prove I'm human. I should not have to say what I'm not such as I'm not a fish, or a cat, or a dog, or a horse or a tree, or a car... etc.
 
I Googled can something be 100 percent of two different things. Google said...

No, something cannot be 100 percent of two different things. A percentage is a way of expressing a number as a fraction of 100, meaning it represents a part of a whole. Therefore, when something is 100 percent of one thing, it means it is 100% of that whole. If something is 100 percent of two different things, it would mean it is 100% of one thing and also 100% of the other, which is not possible.
Look... we will carry this forward tomorrow.

It is dinnertime then it will be my nighty night time as for the past 2 or 3 years of caring for my mom with dementia before she passed my sleep times went out of whack... So for me early to bed means a 3 to 4 AM rise.

But something for you to think about.

I am 100% human and I am 100% conservative.

Tomorrow
 
Look... we will carry this forward tomorrow.

It is dinnertime then it will be my nighty night time as for the past 2 or 3 years of caring for my mom with dementia before she passed my sleep times went out of whack... So for me early to bed means a 3 to 4 AM rise.

But something for you to think about.

I am 100% human and I am 100% conservative.

Tomorrow
Boy lucky you said you are a conservative because I was just ready to start myself on fire and throw myself out in front of a moving Mack Truck rather than talk to you again until you said you were normal in the field of government.
 
That's true, FreeInChrist. But you're ignoring the fact that scripture says in the book of Colossians that Jesus was created by Jehovah the Father before everything else was created.

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. (Colossians 1:15 -- New American Bible)

The word "firstborn, in that specific text of Col 1:15, with Strong#G4416, in Greek "πρωτότοκος prōtotokos" defined by credentialed lexicographers, Louw and Nida Based on Semantic Domain means as - pertaining to existing prior to something else - 'existing first, existing before.' existing before all creation' or 'existing before anything was created' Col 1:15.

Alter2Ego, proves that the "firstborn" in context means existing first and etc, but not created first.


G4416
πρωτότοκος prōtotokos

pertaining to existing prior to something else - 'existing first, existing before.'
existing before all creation' or 'existing before anything was created' Col 1:15.

(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

Really, Capbook? Then I suggest that you ask the people at Strong to explain to you how to talk your way around the word creation as in "firstborn of all creation," as used at Colossians 1:15 with reference to Jesus. Also ask the people at Strong to help you explain how the word "creation" means the exact opposite, as you claim, "not created."

You have no intention of being corrected by scripture. So, guess what? While you're chatting with the folks over at Strongs, keep in mind that you are now on my permanent Ignore List.
 
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