And his word is trustworthyYes faith is always Gods condition accompanied with humility
Arminian perspective on Gods Sovereignty and mans free will
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That comes from verse 29 in chapter 8. your point there is supported by the previous verse, verse 28. There it speaks about things working together for good for those who love God. God clearly foreknows everything, including those who love him. It is those spoken of in verse 29 whom God foreknew. It is those whom he then also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son.
Precisely!
But He purposed/desired to save all mankind. God desires all to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth. Remember?? So the cross was merely to make provision and not to actually save?
civic
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Yep
That's Calvinism for you.Yep
It served a dual function. To make all saveable and to save all that will believe.
Rockson
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Sorry but this is a bunch of absolute nonsense and gibberish . To try to create confusion that with God merely making provision for all somehow connects to a thought that provision is weak to save is beyond ridiculous. Ocean liners have lifeboats enough for every passenger on board. Because some won't get into a boat you DON'T BLAME THE BOAT. You blame the person.
Chapter and verse. It's purpose is to make people savable.
Easy
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Sorry, nothing about diying to make people savable there. Classic case of seeing what you want to see
Shhhhhh...this is a adult conversation. LOL
Said nowhere in the pages of scripture
You are in denial
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
As this passage shows otherwise
There is if you read and believe
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
brightfame52
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Thats False, the Cross actually saved them it was provided for. By it those whom it was for are crucified to the world and the world unto them, so its to be boasted in Gal 6:14
But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
To say Christs Cross work merely makes men saveable is to deny the Saving Work of Christ !
The Cross Delivers them it was for from this present world, thats also Salvation, Gal 1:4-5
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Again the cross made all men savable and saves those that believe
John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
and the cross was for all
brightfame52
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To say Christs Cross work merely makes men saveable is to deny the Saving Work of Christ !
civic
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Nope salvation by faith alone. No faith no salvation. It’s as simple as that.
You deny your own 5 solas lol.
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brightfame52
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To say Christs Cross work merely makes men saveable is to deny the Saving Work of Christ !
civic
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Repeating the same error doesn’t make you look good
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