An Article on free will

[Kermos]

Sorry you continue to read your view into texts. Affirming things they do not state. Nowhere does any text you quote state man is incapable of believing

You completely misread the text and make statements with no basis in truth and are handily refuted

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



Jesus clearly states he hides truth for some as otherwise they would repent and be forgiven



Mark 4:10–12 (ESV) — 10 And when he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. 11 And he said to them, “To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables, 12 so that “ ‘they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand, lest they should turn and be forgiven.’ ”




unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.



Mat 11:21-24 Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.





The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.


What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed? Satan is redundant in your view


John 1:6–7 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45–47 (KJV 1900) — 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4–11 (NIV) — 4 In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which was not made known to people in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. 6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus. 7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10–17 (KJV 1900) — 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "I can choose to believe in the Righteous Jesus Christ by my own initiative" override and nullify the Lord Jesus Christ sayings of "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right" (Luke 12:57) which is Christ indicating man is incapable of choosing to believe in the Righteous Lord Jesus Christ according to man's own initiative; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, you have adulterated “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) into a work of your heart "This is NOT the work of God BUT THIS IS THE WORK OF MAN, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (recorded in post #1,818); therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your domain, you are greater than Lord Jesus Christ Who says "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 5:30), so Christ's will was under the control of God's will in order to do righteousness, but your will is self-admittedly not under the righteous loving control of God's will; therefore, your domain will die with you.

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER JESUS!!!

 

[civic]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "I can choose to believe in the Righteous Jesus Christ by my own initiative" override and nullify the Lord Jesus Christ sayings of "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right" (Luke 12:57) which is Christ indicating man is incapable of choosing to believe in the Righteous Lord Jesus Christ according to man's own initiative; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, you have adulterated “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) into a work of your heart "This is NOT the work of God BUT THIS IS THE WORK OF MAN, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (recorded in post #1,818); therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your domain, you are greater than Lord Jesus Christ Who says "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 5:30), so Christ's will was under the control of God's will in order to do righteousness, but your will is self-admittedly not under the righteous loving control of God's will; therefore, your domain will die with you.

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER JESUS!!!

Your heart makes false statements about God. Determinism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "I can choose to believe in the Righteous Jesus Christ by my own initiative" override and nullify the Lord Jesus Christ sayings of "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right" (Luke 12:57) which is Christ indicating man is incapable of choosing to believe in the Righteous Lord Jesus Christ according to man's own initiative; therefore, your domain will die with you.

Sorry you have no idea how to interpret scripture. That verse says nothing at all about any inability to believe. If anything it ijmplies he can

In your heart's domain, you have adulterated “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) into a work of your heart "This is NOT the work of God BUT THIS IS THE WORK OF MAN, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (recorded in post #1,818); therefore, your domain will die with you.

sorry you have ignored context and allowed your theology to interpret scripture

A basic hermeneutic fault

In your domain, you are greater than Lord Jesus Christ Who says "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 5:30), so Christ's will was under the control of God's will in order to do righteousness, but your will is self-admittedly not under the righteous loving control of God's will; therefore, your domain will die with you.

Nothing there about an inability to believe

Again your interpretation is driven by your theology

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER JESUS!!!

Sorry you do not even know the meaning of sovereignty

free will

(ARV 2005) but without thy mind I would do nothing, that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(ASV-2014) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(Anderson) but, without your consent, I was not willing to do any thing, that your good deed might not be as a matter of necessity, but one of free-will.
(ASV) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(FAA) but I did not want to do anything without your opinion, so that your good deed would not be as it were under compulsion, but of free will.
(GDBY_NT) but without your consent I did not wish to do anything; in order that your good might not be by constraint, but by the free will:
(GW) Yet, I didn't want to do anything without your consent. I want you to do this favor for me out of your own free will without feeling forced to do it.
(csb) But I didn't want to do anything without your consent, so that your good deed might not be out of obligation, but of your own free will.
(LEB) But apart from your consent, I wanted to do nothing, in order that your good deed might be not as according to necessity, but according to your own free will.
(MRC) but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness might not be by necessity, but of your own free will.
(MNT) But without your consent I was unwilling to do anything, so that your kindness to me might be of your own free will, and not of compulsion.
(NTVR) but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(Revised Standard ) but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.
(RNT) but without your consent I am unwilling to do anything, so that your goodness may not be of necessity but of free will.
(RSV-CE) but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will.
(TLV) But I didn’t want to do anything without your consent, so that your goodness wouldn’t be by force but by free will.
(WEB) But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(WEB (R)) But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(Wuest's) Georgia;;14-16 But I came to a decision in my heart to do nothing without your consent, in order that your goodness might not be as it were by compulsion but of your own free will. For perhaps on this account he was parted for a brief time in order that you might be possessing him fully and forever, no longer in the capacity of a slave, but above a slave, a brother , a beloved one, beloved most of all by me, how much more than that by you, both in his human relationship and in the Lord.
(NASB77) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, that your goodness should not be as it were by compulsion, but of your own free will.
(NASB95) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.
(TEV) 14 However, I do not want to force you to help me; rather, I would like for you to do it of your own free will. So I will not do anything unless you agree.
(ERV) 14 but without thy mind I would do nothing; that thy goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(NHEB) 14 But I was willing to do nothing without your consent, that your goodness would not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(TCE) 14 but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will.
CT 14 but I would not do any thing without thy consent, that the benefit derived from thee might not be as it were forced, but of free will.
NENT 14 but without thy: mind I wished to do nothing; that thy: goodness be not as of necessity, but of free will.
SLT 14 But without thy judgment I would do nothing; that good might not be as according to necessity, but according to free will.
(NEB) 14 But I would rather do nothing without your consent, so that your kindness may be a matter not of compulsion, but of your own free will.
(REB) 14 But I would rather do nothing without your consent, so that your kindness may be a matter not of compulsion, but of your own free will.
(RASV)but without your consent I would do nothing; that your goodness should not be as of necessity, but of free will.
(UASV)but without your consent I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by necessity but of your own free will.

 

[Rockson]

Sorry you have no idea how to interpret scripture. That verse says nothing at all about any inability to believe. If anything it ijmplies he can

It's just another one of Calvinists blatantly swinging around clear and simple things said in scripture and bending language in a unnatural way to accommodate their resistance of the truth. Lets look at it again,

“As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, ‘A shower is coming,’ and that is what happens. 55And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time? Lk 12: 55,56

Jesus was clearly stated Look YOU KNOW how to do this simple thing that is KNOWING the way of the weather. Interpreting the present time in regard to himself LIKEWISE is just as simple and there's no excuse for why they can't. Of course Calvinists jump in and say something opposite that they do have an excuse for they don't have the ability! To say that shows one needs their minds untwisted. The only question I have is why have they allowed their religious background to do this to them?

 

[TomL]

It's just another one of Calvinists blatantly swinging around clear and simple things said in scripture and bending language in a unnatural way to accommodate their resistance of the truth. Lets look at it again,

“As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, ‘A shower is coming,’ and that is what happens. 55And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time? Lk 12: 55,56

Jesus was clearly stated Look YOU KNOW how to do this simple thing that is KNOWING the way of the weather. Interpreting the present time in regard to himself LIKEWISE is just as simple and there's no excuse for why they can't. Of course Calvinists jump in and say something opposite that they do have an excuse for they don't have the ability! To say that shows one needs their minds untwisted. The only question I have is why have they allowed their religious background to do this to them?

Exactly

He searches scripture to defend his views rather than allowing scripture to form his views

 

[Kermos]

All that states he determines the grounds upon which he shows mercy. It does not say he choses men unconditionally for salvation

You read that into the text and have provided nothing by way of evidence he cannot determine to save those that believe

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

or grant righteousness to those with faith

Romans 9:30–33 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.





Sorry but that is absurd. God states he will save those that believe. We take him at his word.

All you do is deny it

see also Rom 9:30-32

and

Romans 11:19–23 (KJV 1900) — 19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Israel was broken off because of unbelief, not God's unconditional choice before the foundation of the earth

But they could be grafted back in if they remain not in unbelief

Not if god changes his mind and reelects them but if they remain not in unbelief

Its their responsibility

They were responsible for their unbelief

Romans 10:19–21 (KJV 1900) — 19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. 20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. 21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

and they would be responsible for being grafted back in

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

What Romans 9-11 teaches , it teaches contrary to your theology












So on what basis did the gentiles obtain righteousness

Because they sought or pursued it by faith or they were unconditionally selected

Over and over Romans refutes yiour views


Right he who believes in him, not he who is unconditionally selected

As your theology erroneously holds



and salvation is the gift as per scripture

Romans 6:23 (KJV 1900) — 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

and context

if you make it or that refer to faith
Then you have faith is not of yourself and not of works

would anyone seriously argue to prove faith is not the results of words

it makes no sense




And nothing there states they were chosen for salvation and/or reprobation

You read that into the text

Jacob, the nation of Israel was chosen for service. They would carry God's message into the world and the messiah would be born of their lineage rather than that of Esau (Edom)

God chose the line of descent from Abraham through whom He would work out His redemptive plan. Both Ishmael and Esau were the physical lineage of Abraham, but not of the divinely designated seed that God would use to build the nation Israel.


HERE Jacob AND ESAU REPRESENT TWO NATIONS. ESAU NEVER PERSONALLY SERVED Jacob



This refers to Genesis 25:23



23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.



The prophesy was fulfilled by Edom’s serving David 2Sam 8:14





sorry, you really have no idea what you are talking about



Again that does not refer to salvation but God choice of a servant

It would be Israel and not Edom

You cannot interpret Romans 9 contrary to its summary statement

Romans 9:29–33 (KJV 1900) — 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Faith or the lack of would determine who received mercy - the obtaining of righteousness







Again Jews believed they had exclusive right to mercy and righteousness

God however had determined righteousness was not by means of nationality but faith

Romans 9:30–33 (KJV 1900) — 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


your conclusion flies in the face of this summary statement

God's mercy would be on those with faith





We saw what God's will was

it was not to select men unconditionally but to grant righteousness to those with faith

BTW the potter and the clay analogy does not support you either

The reference is to

Jeremiah 18:1–12 (KJV 1900) — 1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 11 Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good. 12 And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.

Israel, though God had worked to make it a noble vessel was unfaithful and because of unfaithfulness God would use it as an ignoble vessel - to crucify the savior

The potter had not marred the clay, but the potter God used the marred unfaithful clay for his own purpose which was to extend salvation into the world through the saxcrifice of the Christ

And it totally mitigates against your view of unconditional election

God would give righteous to those that believe and withhold it from those which do not

It was not about unconditional election

But righteousness, salvation by faith and not of works

Romans 9:29–33 (KJV 1900) — 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

you totally misread the passage




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You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "it does depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, so God has mercy" (the word of free will TomL) reigns above the Word of God, but truly in the domain of God, "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16) reigns preeminently; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, your free-willian decree resounds "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve mercy for my sins from God", yet the word "mercy" means "undeserved forgiveness", so your free-willian decree translates into "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve undeserved forgiveness for my sins from God", so your free-willian phrase "deserve undeserved forgiveness" is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's mercy is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work.

In your domain, you have adulterated “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work"
(Ephesians 2:8-10) into a work of your heart "through faith DRIVEN BY YOUR OWN FREE WILL THUS EARNING grace FROM GOD you have been saved; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are NOT His work” (the word of TomL 2:8-10, see post #1,775); therefore, your domain will die with you.

The word "grace" means "unearned love", but the free-willian phrase "THUS EARNING grace” (TomL 2:8-10) translates into "THUS EARNING unearned love” (the word of TomL 2:8-10) which is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's grace is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GOD OF ORDER!!!

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "it does depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, so God has mercy" (the word of free will TomL) reigns above the Word of God, but truly in the domain of God, "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16) reigns preeminently; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, your free-willian decree resounds "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve mercy for my sins from God", yet the word "mercy" means "undeserved forgiveness", so your free-willian decree translates into "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve undeserved forgiveness for my sins from God", so your free-willian phrase "deserve undeserved forgiveness" is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's mercy is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work.

In your domain, you have adulterated “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work"
(Ephesians 2:8-10) into a work of your heart "through faith DRIVEN BY YOUR OWN FREE WILL THUS EARNING grace FROM GOD you have been saved; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are NOT His work” (the word of TomL 2:8-10, see post #1,775); therefore, your domain will die with you.

The word "grace" means "unearned love", but the free-willian phrase "THUS EARNING grace” (TomL 2:8-10) translates into "THUS EARNING unearned love” (the word of TomL 2:8-10) which is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's grace is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GOD OF ORDER!!!

Spot on. Praise God.

 

[TomL]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "it does depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, so God has mercy" (the word of free will TomL) reigns above the Word of God, but truly in the domain of God, "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16) reigns preeminently; therefore, your domain will die with you.

You have made it clear you do not know what you are talking about

We are clearly shown the grounds upon which mercy - the obtaining of righteousness is obtained

Romans 9:30–32 (NASB 2020) — 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; 31 however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

There is nothing in the passage showing God grants righteousnes unconditionally

In your heart's domain, your free-willian decree resounds "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve mercy for my sins from God", yet the word "mercy" means "undeserved forgiveness", so your free-willian decree translates into "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve undeserved forgiveness for my sins from God", so your free-willian phrase "deserve undeserved forgiveness" is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

Sorry I read scripture, and it does not teach your gnostic leanings. And I stated nothing about deserving forgiveness. That idea exist only your unscriptural thoughts and ad hominem

The fact that it is by faith assures that it is by grace

Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

God's mercy is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work.

God mercy is extended to all through Christ

Romans 11:32 (ESV) — 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

those that take advantage of it by faith he grants further mercy - giving them salvation

So save your mantras, believe scripture and reject the gnostic manichean beliefs which have crept into your theology

 

[TomL]

Spot on. Praise God.

The voice of yet another captured by gnostic Manichean beliefs

 

[synergy]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "it does depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, so God has mercy" (the word of free will TomL) reigns above the Word of God, but truly in the domain of God, "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16) reigns preeminently; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, your free-willian decree resounds "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve mercy for my sins from God", yet the word "mercy" means "undeserved forgiveness", so your free-willian decree translates into "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve undeserved forgiveness for my sins from God", so your free-willian phrase "deserve undeserved forgiveness" is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's mercy is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work.

In your domain, you have adulterated “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work"
(Ephesians 2:8-10) into a work of your heart "through faith DRIVEN BY YOUR OWN FREE WILL THUS EARNING grace FROM GOD you have been saved; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are NOT His work” (the word of TomL 2:8-10, see post #1,775); therefore, your domain will die with you.

The word "grace" means "unearned love", but the free-willian phrase "THUS EARNING grace” (TomL 2:8-10) translates into "THUS EARNING unearned love” (the word of TomL 2:8-10) which is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's grace is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GOD OF ORDER!!!

Paul easily rebukes you with Rom 10:8-17.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Your thoughts need to be harmonized with the entire Bible, not just with TULIP.

 

[TomL]

Paul easily rebukes you with Rom 10:8-17.

8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach):
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

don't expect he would be scriptural

 

[synergy]

don't expect he would be scriptural

He sacrifices the Bible on the altar of his pagan TULIP god.

 

[Behold]

Imagine a theology that is so INSANE and DEMONIC< that it teaches that God told Adam and Eve not to do something and then caused them to do it.

Imagine a theology that is so INSANE and DEMONIC, that it teaches that God causes (pre-destines) you are to rape, molest children, murder , be a drug addict, steal, lie, cheat, hate, or DECEIVE... and that is after God told you not to SIN these SINS., or any.

Welcome To : John Calvinism

its is DEMONIC, it is a doctrine of devils and if you've never read any of His SATANIC teaching, then never do, as it can bewitch you, and it'll have you on a Forum, trying to prove it's true, as your BELIEF that you are "doing God's will".

Calvinism will TWIST YOUR MIND... just like that... and keep you there.

 

[synergy]

Imagine a theology that is so INSANE and DEMONIC< that it teaches that God told Adam and Eve not to do something and then caused them to do it.

Imagine a theology that is so INSANE and DEMONIC, that it teaches that God causes (pre-destines) you are to rape, molest children, murder , be a drug addict, steal, lie, cheat, hate, or DECEIVE... and that is after God told you not to SIN these SINS., or any.

Welcome To : John Calvinism

its is DEMONIC, it is a doctrine of devils and if you've never read any of His SATANIC teaching, then never do, as it can bewitch you, and it'll have you on a Forum, trying to prove it's true, as your BELIEF that you are "doing God's will".

Calvinism will TWIST YOUR MIND... just like that... and keep you there.

Calvinism even promotes a Living Dead phase which is a product of their Regeneration before Faith doctrine. Talk about a theology of demons, Calvinism takes the cake.

 

[TomL]

Calvinism even promotes a Living Dead phase which is a product of their Regeneration before Faith doctrine. Talk about a theology of demons, Calvinism takes the cake.

Made alive because of regenerate but still dead in sin because is not forgiven apart from faith

A very strange combination

 

[synergy]

Made alive because of regenerate but still dead in sin because is not forgiven apart from faith

A very strange combination

A demonic combination.

 

[civic]

You have made it clear you do not know what you are talking about

We are clearly shown the grounds upon which mercy - the obtaining of righteousness is obtained

Romans 9:30–32 (NASB 2020) — 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; 31 however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,

There is nothing in the passage showing God grants righteousnes unconditionally



Sorry I read scripture, and it does not teach your gnostic leanings. And I stated nothing about deserving forgiveness. That idea exist only your unscriptural thoughts and ad hominem

The fact that it is by faith assures that it is by grace

Romans 4:16 (NASB 2020) — 16 For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,









God mercy is extended to all through Christ

Romans 11:32 (ESV) — 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

those that take advantage of it by faith he grants further mercy - giving them salvation

So save your mantras, believe scripture and reject the gnostic manichean beliefs which have crept into your theology

yes fatalism/determinism is gnosticism. and we know augustine brought those heresies into the church from his pagan,greek, gnostic education.

 

[civic]

augustine the gnostic heretic and corrupter of the church

Augustine: Gnostic Heretic and Corruptor of The Church

‘Augustine himself. (A wonderful saint! As full of pride, passion, bitterness, censoriousness, and as foul-mouthed to all that contradicted him… When Augustine’s passions were heated, his wor…

crosstheology.wordpress.com

 

[civic]

You have made it clear. In the domain of TomL, your thoughts of "it does depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, so God has mercy" (the word of free will TomL) reigns above the Word of God, but truly in the domain of God, "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16) reigns preeminently; therefore, your domain will die with you.

In your heart's domain, your free-willian decree resounds "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve mercy for my sins from God", yet the word "mercy" means "undeserved forgiveness", so your free-willian decree translates into "I free will choose to believe in Jesus which means I deserve undeserved forgiveness for my sins from God", so your free-willian phrase "deserve undeserved forgiveness" is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's mercy is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work.

In your domain, you have adulterated “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work"
(Ephesians 2:8-10) into a work of your heart "through faith DRIVEN BY YOUR OWN FREE WILL THUS EARNING grace FROM GOD you have been saved; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are NOT His work” (the word of TomL 2:8-10, see post #1,775); therefore, your domain will die with you.

The word "grace" means "unearned love", but the free-willian phrase "THUS EARNING grace” (TomL 2:8-10) translates into "THUS EARNING unearned love” (the word of TomL 2:8-10) which is ungodly confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33); therefore, your domain will die with you.

God's grace is part of salvation as granted by God alone, without man doing any type of work

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GOD OF ORDER!!!

the father of your religion below- the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. the god of paganism

Augustine: Gnostic Heretic and Corruptor of The Church

‘Augustine himself. (A wonderful saint! As full of pride, passion, bitterness, censoriousness, and as foul-mouthed to all that contradicted him… When Augustine’s passions were heated, his wor…

crosstheology.wordpress.com

 

[civic]

Bishop Augustine of Hippo
His Life and His Heresies​

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
for Article on
AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO


A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE
LIFE OF BISHOP AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO


Early Years
University Life
Augustine Returns to Thagaste
Augustine Becomes Disillusioned with Manicheism
Augustine Meets Bishop Ambrose in Milan
Augustine’s Struggles
Augustine’s Conversion
Augustine Prepares for Baptism
Augustine Returns to Africa
Augustine at Hippo
The Donatists
The Pelagians
Repose of Bishop Augustine


THEOLOGICAL DISCUSSION
ON EIGHT TEACHINGS OF AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO


I. The Orthodox Church’s Exclusion of Augustine


II. Eight Major Sources of Heresy


1. The Filioque Heresy
2. Original Sin
3. The Redefining of Baptism
4. Predestination and Irresistible Grace
5. The Disavowal of Free Will
6. Confusion in Understanding the Differences
Between Essence and Hypostases
and the Energies of the Holy Trinity
7. Theophanies and Created Energies
8. The Validation of Heretical Baptism


III. Augustine: Fountainhead of the Western Heresies


Sources and References