An Article on free will

translates into "THUS EARNING unearned love
Sorry but you're one choosing to stay in the deep end of being silly with what you do with language. You live in a world all about you which one can obtain unearned benefits yet they have to do something. Even businesses offer unearned benefits when they offer free deals and the like.....still doesn't mean you don't have to do something by some action by showing up and do what it takes to receive them! And thing is you and your Calvinists friends would never, never ever announce I earned this benefit by doing what it takes to receive it. You know everyone would think you were nuts for saying that! But here you do it by saying this about God.

 
Sorry but you're one choosing to stay in the deep end of being silly with what you do with language. You live in a world all about you which one can obtain unearned benefits yet they have to do something. Even businesses offer unearned benefits when they offer free deals and the like.....still doesn't mean you don't have to do something by some action by showing up and do what it takes to receive them! And thing is you and your Calvinists friends would never, never ever announce I earned this benefit by doing what it takes to receive it. You know everyone would think you were nuts for saying that! But here you do it by saying this about God.
ditto
 
Calvinism even promotes a Living Dead phase which is a product of their Regeneration before Faith doctrine. Talk about a theology of demons, Calvinism takes the cake.

Its definitely Hellish.

Let me tell you about the very 1st Hyper (Tulip) nutbar i ever tried to deal with..
I was pretty new to this whole Pauline Theology concept, at that time.

There is a Movie.. ."The Boy Who Could Fly"..

That Boy.
I dealt with Him as a "grownup" years ago... and discovered that He is a Total TULIP-Head.

He's nice, and i love the movie, its one of my favorites, but, he is so entrenched mentally by demonic John Calvinism.

The "bewitching" power of Calvinism, totally deletes their Logic and Common Sense".
Complete Mind Blindness..
They are like "Zombies stuck on REPEAT".
 
Valentinus was the father of gnosticism.

He almost became a POPE.

it came down to a very close Vote.
Chapter XVI
xvi.—heresy of valentinus; derived from plato and pythagoras The heresy of Valentinus4 is certainly, then, connected with the Pythagorean and Platonic theory. For Plato, in the Timæus…
Ante-Nicene Fathers 5: Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix, Hippol., Ref. 6.16, p 81 (13 times)
Valentinus
VALENTINUS. Valentinus (ca. 100–ca. 175 c.e.), one of the major creative intellectuals of the early Church, is best known for his revision of the classic gnostic myth according to the terms and…
The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, V 6, p 783 (36 times)
 
Chapter XVI
xvi.—heresy of valentinus; derived from plato and pythagoras The heresy of Valentinus4 is certainly, then, connected with the Pythagorean and Platonic theory. For Plato, in the Timæus…
Ante-Nicene Fathers 5: Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix, Hippol., Ref. 6.16, p 81 (13 times)
Valentinus
VALENTINUS. Valentinus (ca. 100–ca. 175 c.e.), one of the major creative intellectuals of the early Church, is best known for his revision of the classic gnostic myth according to the terms and…
The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, V 6, p 783 (36 times)
What heresies did Valentinus vomit out and how does that affect us today?
 
I blame not only Augustine but all his cohorts who immediately believed whatever was vomited out from his mouth. Then along came Jerome who befriended the mutilated Masoretic Text and made that the Old Testament basis for Western Europe, instead of the Septuagint (LXX).

Augustine and Jerome have earned the title Masters of Disaster.
Ditto
 
What heresies did Valentinus vomit out and how does that affect us today?

Valentinus’ System of Theology
It is clear from the preceding survey that the paucity of primary texts makes the reconstruction of Valentinus’ system very difficult. Researchers have depended on the heresiological accounts which describe the systems of his followers, hoping to see an imprint of their mentor’s system. Helpful modern discussions of the classic gnostic myth are those by Layton (1987: 5–22) and Rudolph (1983: 53–272), while useful discussions of Valentinus’ own gnostic system, and the systems of his followers, also can be found in Layton (1987: 267–353) and Rudolph (1983: 317–25).
Valentinus accepted the classic gnostic world-view, as represented in the Apocryphon of John (NHC II,1; III,1; IV,1; and BG 8502,2), but with his own revisions. Rudolph suggests that we see in Valentinus’ teaching the apex of gnosticism, the greatest and most influential of the gnostic schools (1983: 322–23).

D. Gnosticism in the Tradition of Valentinus
Even before the death of Valentinus some of his students were already becoming influential teachers. But soon after his death the Valentinian school split into two groups, the “Eastern” (or Anatolian, mostly located in Alexandria) and the “Western” (or Italic, situated in Rome). The Eastern branch produced such luminaries as Axionicus of Antioch, Kolorbasos (?), Mark, Theodotus (“Excerpta ex Theodoto”; Casey 1934; Sagnard 1948; and Hill 1972), Ambrose and Candidus, while the West produced Heracleon (Brooke 1891; Pagels 1973), Ptolemy (Epistle to Flora; Quispel 1966), Secundus, Alexander, Flora, Florinus, and Theotimus (Layton 1987: map 5; Rudolph 1983: 322–25).
The heresiological assault on the Valentinian schools began in about the middle of the 2d century. Such orthodox thinkers as Justin Martyr (Rome, ca. 150), Miltiades (ca. 165), Irenaeus (Lyon, ca. 180), Clement (Alexandria, ca. 200), Origen (Alexandria, ca. 200), Tertullian (Carthage, ca. 195–207), Hippolytus (Rome, ca. 222–235), Ambrose (Milan, ca. 338), John Chrysostom (Antioch, ca. 386), Theodore (Mopsuestia, ca. 400), and Theodoret (Cyrrus, ca. 450) wrote merciless polemic against the Valentinians. The presence of Valentinian texts, representing more than one Coptic dialect, in the Nag Hammadi library attest to the continued interest in Valentinian concepts, in the mid-4th century, within circles of ascetic monks, who were themselves not Valentinian. The emperor Constantine proscribed the Valentinians, among other “sectarians,” in about the year 325, while the last contemporary condemnation dates from the Trullan Synod (Canon 95) of 692 (Constantinople).


Paul Allan Mirecki, “Valentinus,” ed. David Noel Freedman, The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992), 784.



IV.—THE HERESY TRACEABLE TO VALENTINUS, AN ABLE BUT RESTLESS MAN. MANY SCHISMATICAL LEADERS OF THE SCHOOL MENTIONED. ONLY ONE OF THEM SHOWS RESPECT TO THE MAN WHOSE NAME DESIGNATES THE ENTIRE SCHOOL

We know, I say, most fully their actual origin, and we are quite aware why we call them Valentinians, although they affect to disavow their name. They have departed, it is true, from their founder, yet is their origin by no means destroyed; and even if it chance to be changed, the very change bears testimony to the fact. Valentinus had expected to become a bishop, because he was an able man both in genius and eloquence. Being indignant, however, that another obtained the dignity by reason of a claim which confessorship had given him, he broke with the church of the true faith. Just like those (restless) spirits which, when roused by ambition, are usually inflamed with the desire of revenge, he applied himself with all his might10 to exterminate the truth; and finding the clue of a certain old opinion, he marked out a path for himself with the subtlety of a serpent. Ptolemæus afterwards entered on the same path, by distinguishing the names and the numbers of the Ænons into personal substances, which, however, he kept apart from God. Valentinus had included these in the very essence of the Deity, as senses and affections of motion. Sundry bypaths were then struck off therefrom, by Heraclean and Secundus and the magician Marcus. Theotimus worked hard about “the images of the law.” Valentinus, however, was as yet nowhere, and still the Valentinians derive their name from Valentinus. Axionicus at Antioch is the only man who at the present time does honour to the memory of Valentinus, by keeping his rules to the full. But this heresy is permitted to fashion itself into as many various shapes as a courtezan, who usually changes and adjusts her dress every day. And why not? When they review that spiritual seed of theirs in every man after this fashion, whenever they have hit upon any novelty, they forthwith call their presumption a revelation, their own perverse ingenuity a spiritual gift; but (they deny all) unity, admitting only diversity. And thus we clearly see that, setting aside their customary dissimulation, most of them are in a divided state, being ready to say (and that sincerely) of certain points of their belief, “This is not so;” and, “I take this in a different sense;” and, “I do not admit that.” By this variety, indeed, innovation is stamped on the very face of their rules; besides which, it wears all the colourable features of ignorant conceits.


Tertullian, “Against the Valentinians,” in Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian (ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe; trans. Peter Roberts; vol. 3; The Ante-Nicene Fathers; Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 3505.
 
Chapter XVI
xvi.—heresy of valentinus; derived from plato and pythagoras The heresy of Valentinus4 is certainly, then, connected with the Pythagorean and Platonic theory. For Plato, in the Timæus…
Ante-Nicene Fathers 5: Fathers of the Third Century: Hippolytus, Cyprian, Novatian, Appendix, Hippol., Ref. 6.16, p 81 (13 times)
Valentinus
VALENTINUS. Valentinus (ca. 100–ca. 175 c.e.), one of the major creative intellectuals of the early Church, is best known for his revision of the classic gnostic myth according to the terms and…
The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary, V 6, p 783 (36 times)

Yes.

So, if "other history" is correct, then Valentine got His Theology from a disciple of Paul.

What isn't clear is how He left Paul's teaching and went DEEP END into what we know now as Gnosticism.

Something that might have happened...

Paul teaches that the born again are "made free from Sin, and that Jesus became their sin, and where there is no Law there is no sin.""

So, you have the born again, as "not under the law, but under Grace" which means they exist "in Christ", as "made free from sin"... having become "the righteousness of God in Christ".

So, that is the born again Spirit......and this teaching WRECKS self righteous people who can't understand that their body and their mind is not born again.
Its the born again SPIRIT that is "one with God".... = Son/Daughter of God.. "new Creation"

And until they can GET THIS Revelation, they exit in a carnal mind, that is trying to understand Salvation, and that can't ever get connected.

So, Valentinus, for some reason, decided that Sin does not exist and So, there was no need for Jesus to die on the Cross.

= If He was born again, before He jumped into the Theological deep end, then He'll be in Heaven, and we can ask him..

"What happened to your understanding that left Paul's teaching and just kept on going wrong".

= Who did this to you? Who led you into that darkness ?

Name please?
 
Yes.

So, if "other history" is correct, then Valentine got His Theology from a disciple of Paul.

What isn't clear is how He left Paul's teaching and went DEEP END into what we know now as Gnosticism.

Something that might have happened...

Paul teaches that the born again are "made free from Sin, and that Jesus became their sin, and where there is no Law there is no sin.""

So, you have the born again, as "not under the law, but under Grace" which means they exist "in Christ", as "made free from sin"... having become "the righteousness of God in Christ".

So, that is the born again Spirit......and this teaching WRECKS self righteous people who can't understand that their body and their mind is not born again.
Its the born again SPIRIT that is "one with God".... = Son/Daughter of God.. "new Creation"

And until they can GET THIS Revelation, they exit in a carnal mind, that is trying to understand Salvation, and that can't ever get connected.

So, Valentinus, for some reason, decided that Sin does not exist and So, there was no need for Jesus to die on the Cross.

= If He was born again, before He jumped into the Theological deep end, then He'll be in Heaven, and we can ask him..

"What happened to your understanding that left Paul's teaching and just kept on going wrong".

= Who did this to you? Who led you into that darkness ?

Name please?
And if he is not you will get no answer
 
Valentinus’ System of Theology
It is clear from the preceding survey that the paucity of primary texts makes the reconstruction of Valentinus’ system very difficult. Researchers have depended on the heresiological accounts which describe the systems of his followers, hoping to see an imprint of their mentor’s system. Helpful modern discussions of the classic gnostic myth are those by Layton (1987: 5–22) and Rudolph (1983: 53–272), while useful discussions of Valentinus’ own gnostic system, and the systems of his followers, also can be found in Layton (1987: 267–353) and Rudolph (1983: 317–25).
Valentinus accepted the classic gnostic world-view, as represented in the Apocryphon of John (NHC II,1; III,1; IV,1; and BG 8502,2), but with his own revisions. Rudolph suggests that we see in Valentinus’ teaching the apex of gnosticism, the greatest and most influential of the gnostic schools (1983: 322–23).

D. Gnosticism in the Tradition of Valentinus
Even before the death of Valentinus some of his students were already becoming influential teachers. But soon after his death the Valentinian school split into two groups, the “Eastern” (or Anatolian, mostly located in Alexandria) and the “Western” (or Italic, situated in Rome). The Eastern branch produced such luminaries as Axionicus of Antioch, Kolorbasos (?), Mark, Theodotus (“Excerpta ex Theodoto”; Casey 1934; Sagnard 1948; and Hill 1972), Ambrose and Candidus, while the West produced Heracleon (Brooke 1891; Pagels 1973), Ptolemy (Epistle to Flora; Quispel 1966), Secundus, Alexander, Flora, Florinus, and Theotimus (Layton 1987: map 5; Rudolph 1983: 322–25).
The heresiological assault on the Valentinian schools began in about the middle of the 2d century. Such orthodox thinkers as Justin Martyr (Rome, ca. 150), Miltiades (ca. 165), Irenaeus (Lyon, ca. 180), Clement (Alexandria, ca. 200), Origen (Alexandria, ca. 200), Tertullian (Carthage, ca. 195–207), Hippolytus (Rome, ca. 222–235), Ambrose (Milan, ca. 338), John Chrysostom (Antioch, ca. 386), Theodore (Mopsuestia, ca. 400), and Theodoret (Cyrrus, ca. 450) wrote merciless polemic against the Valentinians. The presence of Valentinian texts, representing more than one Coptic dialect, in the Nag Hammadi library attest to the continued interest in Valentinian concepts, in the mid-4th century, within circles of ascetic monks, who were themselves not Valentinian. The emperor Constantine proscribed the Valentinians, among other “sectarians,” in about the year 325, while the last contemporary condemnation dates from the Trullan Synod (Canon 95) of 692 (Constantinople).


Paul Allan Mirecki, “Valentinus,” ed. David Noel Freedman, The Anchor Yale Bible Dictionary (New York: Doubleday, 1992), 784.



IV.—THE HERESY TRACEABLE TO VALENTINUS, AN ABLE BUT RESTLESS MAN. MANY SCHISMATICAL LEADERS OF THE SCHOOL MENTIONED. ONLY ONE OF THEM SHOWS RESPECT TO THE MAN WHOSE NAME DESIGNATES THE ENTIRE SCHOOL

We know, I say, most fully their actual origin, and we are quite aware why we call them Valentinians, although they affect to disavow their name. They have departed, it is true, from their founder, yet is their origin by no means destroyed; and even if it chance to be changed, the very change bears testimony to the fact. Valentinus had expected to become a bishop, because he was an able man both in genius and eloquence. Being indignant, however, that another obtained the dignity by reason of a claim which confessorship had given him, he broke with the church of the true faith. Just like those (restless) spirits which, when roused by ambition, are usually inflamed with the desire of revenge, he applied himself with all his might10 to exterminate the truth; and finding the clue of a certain old opinion, he marked out a path for himself with the subtlety of a serpent. Ptolemæus afterwards entered on the same path, by distinguishing the names and the numbers of the Ænons into personal substances, which, however, he kept apart from God. Valentinus had included these in the very essence of the Deity, as senses and affections of motion. Sundry bypaths were then struck off therefrom, by Heraclean and Secundus and the magician Marcus. Theotimus worked hard about “the images of the law.” Valentinus, however, was as yet nowhere, and still the Valentinians derive their name from Valentinus. Axionicus at Antioch is the only man who at the present time does honour to the memory of Valentinus, by keeping his rules to the full. But this heresy is permitted to fashion itself into as many various shapes as a courtezan, who usually changes and adjusts her dress every day. And why not? When they review that spiritual seed of theirs in every man after this fashion, whenever they have hit upon any novelty, they forthwith call their presumption a revelation, their own perverse ingenuity a spiritual gift; but (they deny all) unity, admitting only diversity. And thus we clearly see that, setting aside their customary dissimulation, most of them are in a divided state, being ready to say (and that sincerely) of certain points of their belief, “This is not so;” and, “I take this in a different sense;” and, “I do not admit that.” By this variety, indeed, innovation is stamped on the very face of their rules; besides which, it wears all the colourable features of ignorant conceits.


Tertullian, “Against the Valentinians,” in Latin Christianity: Its Founder, Tertullian (ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe; trans. Peter Roberts; vol. 3; The Ante-Nicene Fathers; Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 3505.
The only thing I can conclude after trying to understand Valentinus is that he was definitely on a strong acid trip. That's my conclusion.
 
The only thing I can conclude after trying to understand Valentinus is that he was definitely on a strong acid trip. That's my conclusion.

Valentinus...is A perfect Fit to lead the "Cult of Mary".(Pope)..., as once you start studying that stuff, and you find..

"perpetual virgin"

"Mary flew into heaven, and never died"

"Priests have magic power (Transubstantiation) to turn a cookie and juice into the Literal body and blood of Jesus, so don't let any of Him fall on the floor when you chew"..

"Lets turn Grown men ..(Priests)... into Pedophiles by not letting them have a normal sex life, for the rest of their life", and Paul calls this a "doctrine of devils".

"Mary the Mediatrix... is helping Jesus with the redemption of Lost Humanity".

45 Foot Tall Plastic Statues of Mary, that the Pope kneels before with his head bowed and eyes closed.

And it just keeps on going, with... this cult..

"Born again BY= WATER"< vs, born again by the Holy Spirit.

So, all that is more then LSD on steroids.........as that "cult of mary" stuff : is Pipe Dream at Warp Speed.
 
Spot on. Praise God.

The Lord of all creation bless you!

Yes, indeed, praise the God who saves and sanctifies!

Rogue Tomato, have you noticed that @TomL convey "free-will, free will, freewill, we men have free wills", but he turns right around to write that wills in Romans 9:16 "in context it has absolutely nothing to do with free will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) in TomL's vain attempt to subtract man's will from "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16)?

That is blindness that TomL exhibits about "will" in Romans 9:16. Rogue Tomato, do you recall TomL quoting a verse about blindness as some kind of support for free will?

Hmmm, oh, here is the verse, "He has blinded their eyes, and has hardened their heart, that they should not see with the eyes, and understand with the heart, and turn, and I will heal them" (John 12:40), and here is the link to post #2,001 which records TomL's use of John 12:40 as a free-will proof text; moreover, TomL is blind because will is specifically mentioned in Romans 9:16 yet TomL conveys "Romans 9:16 has absolutely nothing to do with will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) which is ungodly confusion on TomL's part (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Free-willians make false statements about God, and free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

In the promise of the Resurrection,
Kermos
 
The Lord of all creation bless you!

Yes, indeed, praise the God who saves and sanctifies!

Rogue Tomato, have you noticed that @TomL convey "free-will, free will, freewill, we men have free wills", but he turns right around to write that wills in Romans 9:16 "in context it has absolutely nothing to do with free will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) in TomL's vain attempt to subtract man's will from "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16)?

That is blindness that TomL exhibits about "will" in Romans 9:16. Rogue Tomato, do you recall TomL quoting a verse about blindness as some kind of support for free will?

Hmmm, oh, here is the verse, "He has blinded their eyes, and has hardened their heart, that they should not see with the eyes, and understand with the heart, and turn, and I will heal them" (John 12:40), and here is the link to post #2,001 which records TomL's use of John 12:40 as a free-will proof text; moreover, TomL is blind because will is specifically mentioned in Romans 9:16 yet TomL conveys "Romans 9:16 has absolutely nothing to do with will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) which is ungodly confusion on TomL's part (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Free-willians make false statements about God, and free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

In the promise of the Resurrection,
Kermos
Anti free willers ( fatalists ) came into the church via Augustine. From the time of the apostles and 400 years after it was free will as the standard belief in the early church. The heretic from paganism / Gnosticism brought his heretical beliefs into the church as a wolf is sheeps clothing. His teaching were anti God, anti christ and anti bible and anti gospel . The reformers swallowed his false teachings hook line and sinker.
 
The Lord of all creation bless you!

Yes, indeed, praise the God who saves and sanctifies!

Rogue Tomato, have you noticed that @TomL convey "free-will, free will, freewill, we men have free wills", but he turns right around to write that wills in Romans 9:16 "in context it has absolutely nothing to do with free will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) in TomL's vain attempt to subtract man's will from "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16)?

That is blindness that TomL exhibits about "will" in Romans 9:16. Rogue Tomato, do you recall TomL quoting a verse about blindness as some kind of support for free will?

Hmmm, oh, here is the verse, "He has blinded their eyes, and has hardened their heart, that they should not see with the eyes, and understand with the heart, and turn, and I will heal them" (John 12:40), and here is the link to post #2,001 which records TomL's use of John 12:40 as a free-will proof text; moreover, TomL is blind because will is specifically mentioned in Romans 9:16 yet TomL conveys "Romans 9:16 has absolutely nothing to do with will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) which is ungodly confusion on TomL's part (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Free-willians make false statements about God, and free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

In the promise of the Resurrection,
Kermos

Yes, it's hard NOT to notice. Free-willers also have to engage in mind-altering mental gymnastics to turn "this is the work of God" into "this is the work required by God" just because the people asked Jesus what work they should do. Jesus didn't answer the way they expected. Jesus was under no obligation to do that. Instead, Jesus told the truth. It is the WORK OF GOD that you believe in Him whom He has sent.
 
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