Nathan
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Then don't say I'm not of God. My salvation is the best thing that ever happened to me.
An Article on free will
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brightfame52
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I said nothing about you personally, please dont bear false witness
civic
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Amen
Nathan
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what does this mean?
Its the right order, you not of God, you cannot hear His word Spiritually
your post
Eternally-Grateful
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Nothing here worth responding to
Don’t tell me what I do or do not do. That’s arrogant. And I will not tolerate it
Two negatives ("don't" and "nothing") in your statement produces a positive. In other words, your statement equates to: "I do know everything about you". No wonder you're stuck in calvinism, your comprehension of English grammar stinks. Learn proper English Grammar and your calvinist heresies will vanish.
Nathan
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brightfame52
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Mans will is not free from doing always the will of the devil, Jesus told some unregenerate men, children of the devil this Jn 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Now can any of these tell Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth, you are wrong sir, I have a freewill and can choose not to do the will of my father the devil ?
Jesus "ye will do" is a present tense indicative, a statement of fact ! Now can they with their freewill so called, reverse this fact ? No, they are in captivity to the devil by nature. They have as much of a chance or ability to stop doing evil as the their father the devil has !
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Now can any of these tell Jesus, Jesus of Nazareth, you are wrong sir, I have a freewill and can choose not to do the will of my father the devil ?
Jesus "ye will do" is a present tense indicative, a statement of fact ! Now can they with their freewill so called, reverse this fact ? No, they are in captivity to the devil by nature. They have as much of a chance or ability to stop doing evil as the their father the devil has !
Nathan
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I have the free will to except God's free gift of salvation or reject it. The problem with the Calvinist ‘deterministic’ view of reality is Calvinistic Christians have more in common with many atheists than they may realize.
They think the world is the way it is and could be none other, because God has predetermined every atom and every thought of every heart. In such a universe, human free will is an illusion. We are all playing our designated parts in a script that was written before the world began. To Calvinists this is a testament to God’s glory. To others it looks like the work of a puppet master.
They think the world is the way it is and could be none other, because God has predetermined every atom and every thought of every heart. In such a universe, human free will is an illusion. We are all playing our designated parts in a script that was written before the world began. To Calvinists this is a testament to God’s glory. To others it looks like the work of a puppet master.
Hello @Selah,
You asked "When did this happen" regarding Ezekiel 28:12-19. Ezekiel followed the Lord's command to take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre (Exodus 28:12) , so the lamentation describes after the Lord started to make the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them about 6,000 years ago (Genesis 1:1, Exodus 20:11, Genesis 5 and more).
You posited "I wonder when this happened" regarding Exodus 20:11, yet the post to which you replied was very explicit according to the Word of God.
Eve was deceived around the time that the serpent told her that she would be like God, and she and Adam acted in direct defiance of the Word of God. The Word of God severely punished Adam and Eve for their blatant defiance.
Free-willians think they are like God in that they choose God, but God reserves the glory unto Himself with the Word of God “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16).
The Truth (John 14:6) is recorded in the Bible, and you are faithfilled or you are deceived.
Foster
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John 15:16
“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.”
It's not about their salvation. The 12 were chosen to spread the Gospel.
Jesus says that the disciples were chosen by him and for a purpose. They changed the world and gave us the opportunity to Choose Jesus
“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.”
It's not about their salvation. The 12 were chosen to spread the Gospel.
Explanation and Commentary of John 15:16
This verse comes at the end of the great discourse on the vine and the branches. Jesus has urged his disciples to remain in Him because that is the way are designed to bear fruit. Beyond being saved and going to Heaven someday, it seems that the goal of Christian life is to bear fruit.Jesus says that the disciples were chosen by him and for a purpose. They changed the world and gave us the opportunity to Choose Jesus
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brightfame52
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You kidding me ? To be of God is to be saved. Duh If someone says, that person is of God, they mean to say they are saved. When scripture uses the man of God, its saying they are saved , born of God 2 Tim 3 17
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
brightfame52
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That freewill philosophy is a deadly deception
Calvinism is a false doctrine that centers around the writings of a man named John Calvin. John Calvin was a man, who wished he could have played a part in the reformation that sprung out of the Catholic Church. Instead, he ran Martin Luther’s protest into the ground. He also fabricated a false gospel to damn the simple. He also took pleasure in the burning of Michael Servetus at the stake, because of a minor dispute they had over the nature of the trinity. John Calvin is, ironically, burning in Hell right now.
Nathan
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Nathan
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That's like... you must have wings in order to fly otherwise you can fly. I'm not kidding you.. you posted it.
You openly adhere to Free-willian Philosophy with it's tenets as your posts in this thread exhibit, and @Nathan made a post relating to the very matter you and I were corresponding, so on to your and Nathan's commonality.
You opened with "I have the free will to except God's free gift of salvation or reject it" which is true in a fashion. You wrote "except" as in exception from the God who is Salvation (Psalm 27:1), and you convey you have the self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10) to "reject it".
A gift is given to a recipient. A recipient receives a gift.
God's free gift of salvation is given to us Christians while we were yet sinners (Romans 5:8), and we joyfully receive the Salvation of God (John 1:12-13).
You may have meant accept/choose in place of "except", but the Lord God Almighty knew about this post that He causes me to compose before you posted "I have the free will to except God's free gift of salvation or reject it".
Now, let's pay some attention to accept/choose in place of "except".
Your declaration "I have the free will to accept God's free gift of salvation or reject it" definitively converts the free gift into a "purchased merchandise exchange" because all the hallmarks of a contractual transaction are present in your statement, such as the offer, acceptance, and execution.
You believe God "offers" to you valuable consideration (which is Christ's salvation) in exchange for your valuable consideration of your "acceptance" which results in the "execution" of Christ's salvation for you.
Your statement even includes the potential of your rejection of the "offer" of Christ's salvation, so you have a contract instead of covenant.
You hold to a transaction where your free-will choosing of God purchases forgiveness of sin from God, and you would not have forgiveness of sin without your free-will choosing of God because you did not free-will choose to purchase forgiveness of sin from God.
Who has given to Me that I should repay him? Everything under heaven is Mine (Job 41:11).
My God holds me in His Covenant where my Benefactor Jesus Christ delivers forgiveness of sin to me, and I receive forgiveness of my sin for I am secured by the Lord God Almighty in the New Covenant in Christ's Blood exclusively by the choosing by Almighty God “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) which includes salvation “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19) which includes every good work/fruit including coming to Christ and believing in Christ “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).
Nathan
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Right a Typographical error
civic
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Not sure about your last sentence as he is in Gods hands and accountable for what he taught and did in the name of God.
Dizerner
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If we can know a true by its fruit, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him, I'd say that, although we can never know for sure in the absolute sense, we can have valid reasons to seriously question whether John Calvin was even regenerate. You can't just go around trying to unrepentantly murder other Christians and say it's covered by the atonement, it doesn't work that way. Let's hope he did repent before his death.
