An Article on free will

Faith is a work, and Jesus made that clear when confronting some jews who prided themselves in being of Abrahams physical descendance, yet Jesus rebuked that proud notion as having nothing to do with being Gods children ,

Jn 8:38-40

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

See that ? Now what are the works of Abraham ? Jesus means they would have Abrahams Faith, and they would believe on the promises of God which are fulfilled in Himself.

So if we say our faith, act of believing, is that which caused God in Christ to save us, that making the difference of us being saved or lost, then we are boasting of salvation by our works !
 
I'm sorry, I still suspect you are play-acting, and it's actually a bit amusing.

My apologies for that.

I see you lack discernment because my glorious God Jesus Christ causing me to correspond about the Salvation of God is not your wicked "play-acting"; furthermore, your lack of discernment is evident based on your free-will intentional deletion of the Word of God this second time!

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GIVER OF LIFE AND UNDERSTANDING!!!
 
I see you lack discernment because my glorious God Jesus Christ causing me to correspond about the Salvation of God is not your wicked "play-acting"; furthermore, your lack of discernment is evident based on your free-will intentional deletion of the Word of God this second time!

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GIVER OF LIFE AND UNDERSTANDING!!!
you don't now what "born again" even means or how a person becomes born again. just more empty rhetoric and gook gobbly.

next fallacy
 
I see you lack discernment because my glorious God Jesus Christ causing me to correspond about the Salvation of God is not your wicked "play-acting"; furthermore, your lack of discernment is evident based on your free-will intentional deletion of the Word of God this second time!

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE GIVER OF LIFE AND UNDERSTANDING!!!

Ever heard the phrase "free will is not in the Bible?" This is a misleading assertion made by many, as if only a certain specificity of statement can communicate an idea. But I do not accept the Trinity because it is explicitly declared in Scripture, but rather that it is in inevitable deduction from the stated data. Thus there is no shame or wrong in any idea not being stated as clearly as it could possibly be stated, when it can be clearly deduced. Hence, the philosophical notion of libertarian freedom is under the same umbrella, for just as the Trinity is deduced from Scripture logically, and not explicitly stated, so libertarian free will can also be conclusively deduced from Scripture.

First let's talk a little about what libertarian free will is not—

1. It's not the ability to do absolutely anything.
2. It's not the guarantee of no influencing forces (as long as not completely coercive).
3. It's not the ability to produce self-righteousness (falls under a specific instance of #1).
4. It is not randomness (this straw man caricature would mean choice is not under control of an agent).

Free will is the limited ability to select between certain limited options as ordained and circumscribed by God's created order. Just as the Trinity can be deduced from whatever passages you want to cite, so true autonomous decision can be from this passage (as well as hundreds of others, but one passage is sufficient and a good example). So let's take a fairly mundane seeming passage and extrapolate the ideas it contains.

3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, "Indeed you are a dead man because of the woman whom you have taken, for she is a man's wife."
4 But Abimelech had not come near her; and he said, "Lord, will You slay a righteous nation also?
5 "Did he not say to me,`She is my sister '? And she, even she herself said,`He is my brother.' In the integrity of my heart and innocence of my hands I have done this."
6 And God said to him in a dream, "Yes, I know that you did this in the integrity of your heart. For I also withheld you from sinning against Me; therefore I did not let you touch her.
7 "Now therefore, restore the man's wife; for he is a prophet, and he will pray for you and you shall live. But if you do not restore her, know that you shall surely die, you and all who are yours." (Gen 20:3-7 NKJ)

We have to set this up so bear with me. At first God says to Abimelech that he is a dead man because he has sinned. Abimelech answers and implies that this is too harsh a judgment in the light of his current limitations of understanding the situation. Abimelech then declares he is innocent. In verse 6, God does not say Abimelech is wrong, but rather affirms that Abimelech is actually correct on this issue. He has done this "in the integrity" of his heart. Then God says he has somehow kept Abimelech from sinning so far as an act of mercy because of ignorance. But now Abimelech is no longer considered ignorant, as he has been warned, so we end with verse 7 in which God lays out two different outcomes that are both indicated to be a real possibility and determined by the choice Abimelech makes.

Honesty is an attribute of God, and honesty in communication is necessary if you want to be understood in the way you intend to say something. "God is not a man that he should lie," says the Divine. That is, in general, if you wish to convey information and not mislead someone, you actually have to mean what you say. We cannot claim Abimelech would understand this passage in any deterministic way, and if determinism were true it would not be beyond the capacity of God to phrase this in a deterministic way, or even to explain that Abimelech actually has no libertarian choice in the matter and there are not two real, viable outcomes as God indicated, where Abimelech either "surely dies" or he will in fact "live." Although he was declared dead already, this indicates he had a pending "death sentence," or ban, on him.

Now the truth about determinism is a sneaky one, because no matter how you phrase something to sound like autonomy, you can always just claim it only sounds that way as some kind of illusion. But the default position of any text should not to be take the plain meaning as an illusion, but to take it as meaning what it says, unless we have strong overriding context. With proponents of determinism, a small percentage of Bible verses that could possibly be interpreted as deterministic are used as an overriding lens to reinterpret a much, much larger majority percentage of thousands of passages that are made to sound deliberately as if choice were two or more actual outcomes decided by the individual, instead of pre-decided by God.

And this overriding presupposition becomes so second nature to the Calvinist, that, in my interaction with determinists anyway, they almost always seem to think it's the natural way to interpret choices in Scripture as necessarily deterministic, when that's actually not the default way to understand them.

If God wanted to convey a deterministic meaning of any kind to Abimelech it would have been easy, simple and clear to simply phrase what God says to Abimelech in a deterministic way, "I have chosen you to sin," or "you will go on and do what I have decided for you to do," or "you must fulfill your destiny and this is what it will be." God does not choose any of those easy options which would be honest and clear, to phrase something deliberately in a way that sounds non-deterministic, and this is not by any definition the honest way of communicating. Abimelech, if Calvinism were true, would have been misled by God.

So although we have verses where Jesus says "the only true God" in reference to his Father, we take the higher percentage of verses and reinterpret the lower percentage of verses, to justify our interpretation that Jesus himself is the only true God as well. In the same way Scripture actually ends up directly supporting the idea of libertarian freedom, instead of directly opposing the idea of libertarian freedom, as many Calvinists contend.

So by using the exact same "hermeneutics" we would use to come to a deduction of the Trinity, we come with this consistent and predominantly used method of interpreting the Bible, to describing choices as multiple potential outcomes determined by the agent.

A Calvinist cannot "walk through the text" when reading from "the original Hebrew" and stay a consistent exhaustive divine determinist in Genesis chapter 20.
 
Faith is a work, and Jesus made that clear when confronting some jews who prided themselves in being of Abrahams physical descendance, yet Jesus rebuked that proud notion as having nothing to do with being Gods children ,

Jn 8:38-40

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

See that ? Now what are the works of Abraham ? Jesus means they would have Abrahams Faith, and they would believe on the promises of God which are fulfilled in Himself.

So if we say our faith, act of believing, is that which caused God in Christ to save us, that making the difference of us being saved or lost, then we are boasting of salvation by our works !
Baptism is also a work and Jesus sent them out to baptize.

But wait.... What you are saying is Once you are saved by God... then you have to work ??????????? Faith or Belief!!!!!!!!!!!

That is exactly the plan for predestined people.
 
John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".

Instead of facing up to that truth, you run off to other verses and distort them. You allegorized Luke 15:24 in order to warp it and to have it confirm to your heretical beliefs. Luke 15:24 is referring to a physical son, not a spiritual son, you illiterate. You would have been a fantastic student to Origen, the heretic who allegorized everything in the Early Church.

If "they have always been the sons of God" then they would have always "received him" and "believed on his name" from day 1 of their existence. You are promoting a superintelligent species that can do that as infants. You are watching too many Sci Fi movies these days.

Go back to your English teachers and demand that you get your money back because your English Comprehension is disgusting.


@Kermos should do the same thing as he seems to be in complete agreement with you.
Told you, you have no spiritual comprehension

@brightfame52, did you notice how @synergy rearranged John 1:12:13 while nullifying the full context of (John 1:9-13)?

We can compare @synergy's corruption of:
John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".
with the true Apostolic testimony.

The children of God (John 1:12) are exactly the same population as the born of God (John 1:12), but @synergy imposes his free-will adulteration as a replacement for the Apostle John' Gospel thusly:
The Book of Free-williansThe Gospel of John
But as many as free-will chose to accept Him, to them He gave the right to cause themselves to become children of God, even to those who free-will chose to believe in His name who caused themselves to be born of God.
(synergy 1:9-13)
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:9-13)
See @synergy!s heart nullifies nor of the will of man (John 1:12) by adding "free-will", so synergy's heart believes his sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go his adulterations of the the Holy Scripture, again.

Let's follow John's blessed chain linking these people:
  • John starts with the full population of the planet "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him" (John 1:10) as he builds toward the source of holiness which is "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John narrows the population to Israel only "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11).
  • John further narrows the focus to a sub-population of Israel "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12)
  • John equates the population of "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12) with the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) as he builds toward the source of holiness, that is, "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John further equates the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) with the population of "believe in His name" increasing tempo about the source of holiness being"born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John arrives at the source of holiness for every single one of us saints (holy ones) which is being "born of God" (John 1:13).

John's Good Message (Gospel) narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then further narrowing onward, so we can expand the focus starting with John's primary narrowest foundational point moving toward the secondary larger point and then the tertiary broader point and so on.

John's primary foundational point is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) which begets John's secondary point of "believe in His name" (John 1:12, John 6:29) and "children of God" (John 1:12, John 3:3-8) and "many as received Him" (John 1:12, John 9) which has implications for John's tertiary point "His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11) which arrives at John's opening, broadest point which is the fact that "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) does not include everybody in "the world" (John 1:10).

John has the "born of God" as the first and primary position, so John is in accord with Lord Jesus, the Christ of us Christians, who puts the new birth "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) before belief in the same dialog (see John 3:16), and Lord Jesus leaves no latitude for man free-will choosing to believe by concluding the dialog with “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).

Clearly, @synergy takes exception to Lord Jesus Christ who says “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

@synergy believes that his free-will choosing to believe causes synergy to be born of God as per John 1:12-13, yet no one causes himself to be born of God.

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE TRUE AND FAITH FULL ONE!!!
 
@brightfame52, did you notice how @synergy rearranged John 1:12:13 while nullifying the full context of (John 1:9-13)?

We can compare @synergy's corruption of:
John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".
with the true Apostolic testimony.

The children of God (John 1:12) are exactly the same population as the born of God (John 1:12), but @synergy imposes his free-will adulteration as a replacement for the Apostle John' Gospel thusly:
The Book of Free-williansThe Gospel of John
But as many as free-will chose to accept Him, to them He gave the right to cause themselves to become children of God, even to those who free-will chose to believe in His name who caused themselves to be born of God.
(synergy 1:9-13)
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:9-13)
See @synergy!s heart nullifies nor of the will of man (John 1:12) by adding "free-will", so synergy's heart believes his sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go his adulterations of the the Holy Scripture, again.

Let's follow John's blessed chain linking these people:
  • John starts with the full population of the planet "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him" (John 1:10) as he builds toward the source of holiness which is "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John narrows the population to Israel only "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11).
  • John further narrows the focus to a sub-population of Israel "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12)
  • John equates the population of "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12) with the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) as he builds toward the source of holiness, that is, "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John further equates the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) with the population of "believe in His name" increasing tempo about the source of holiness being"born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John arrives at the source of holiness for every single one of us saints (holy ones) which is being "born of God" (John 1:13).

John's Good Message (Gospel) narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then further narrowing onward, so we can expand the focus starting with John's primary narrowest foundational point moving toward the secondary larger point and then the tertiary broader point and so on.

John's primary foundational point is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) which begets John's secondary point of "believe in His name" (John 1:12, John 6:29) and "children of God" (John 1:12, John 3:3-8) and "many as received Him" (John 1:12, John 9) which has implications for John's tertiary point "His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11) which arrives at John's opening, broadest point which is the fact that "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) does not include everybody in "the world" (John 1:10).

John has the "born of God" as the first and primary position, so John is in accord with Lord Jesus, the Christ of us Christians, who puts the new birth "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) before belief in the same dialog (see John 3:16), and Lord Jesus leaves no latitude for man free-will choosing to believe by concluding the dialog with “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).

Clearly, @synergy takes exception to Lord Jesus Christ who says “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

@synergy believes that his free-will choosing to believe causes synergy to be born of God as per John 1:12-13, yet no one causes himself to be born of God.

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE TRUE AND FAITH FULL ONE!!!
Projecting it’s you that has rearranged the word of God to make it say something it doesn’t say or imply. Believing and receiving precedes becoming a child of God / born of God.

Next fallacy
 
@brightfame52, did you notice how @synergy rearranged John 1:12:13 while nullifying the full context of (John 1:9-13)?

We can compare @synergy's corruption of:
John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".
with the true Apostolic testimony.

The children of God (John 1:12) are exactly the same population as the born of God (John 1:12), but @synergy imposes his free-will adulteration as a replacement for the Apostle John' Gospel thusly:
The Book of Free-williansThe Gospel of John
But as many as free-will chose to accept Him, to them He gave the right to cause themselves to become children of God, even to those who free-will chose to believe in His name who caused themselves to be born of God.
(synergy 1:9-13)
There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:9-13)
See @synergy!s heart nullifies nor of the will of man (John 1:12) by adding "free-will", so synergy's heart believes his sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go his adulterations of the the Holy Scripture, again.

Let's follow John's blessed chain linking these people:
  • John starts with the full population of the planet "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him" (John 1:10) as he builds toward the source of holiness which is "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John narrows the population to Israel only "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11).
  • John further narrows the focus to a sub-population of Israel "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12)
  • John equates the population of "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12) with the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) as he builds toward the source of holiness, that is, "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John further equates the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) with the population of "believe in His name" increasing tempo about the source of holiness being"born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John arrives at the source of holiness for every single one of us saints (holy ones) which is being "born of God" (John 1:13).

John's Good Message (Gospel) narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then further narrowing onward, so we can expand the focus starting with John's primary narrowest foundational point moving toward the secondary larger point and then the tertiary broader point and so on.

John's primary foundational point is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) which begets John's secondary point of "believe in His name" (John 1:12, John 6:29) and "children of God" (John 1:12, John 3:3-8) and "many as received Him" (John 1:12, John 9) which has implications for John's tertiary point "His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11) which arrives at John's opening, broadest point which is the fact that "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) does not include everybody in "the world" (John 1:10).

John has the "born of God" as the first and primary position, so John is in accord with Lord Jesus, the Christ of us Christians, who puts the new birth "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) before belief in the same dialog (see John 3:16), and Lord Jesus leaves no latitude for man free-will choosing to believe by concluding the dialog with “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).

Clearly, @synergy takes exception to Lord Jesus Christ who says “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

@synergy believes that his free-will choosing to believe causes synergy to be born of God as per John 1:12-13, yet no one causes himself to be born of God.

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE TRUE AND FAITH FULL ONE!!!
I must say you certainly are masterful at manipulating what a word or words actually means.

Quoting you and what I see it is saying...

There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
(John 1:9-13)

He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,


even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
This sentence
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,

has nothing to do with His own.... It has nothing to do with those already believing...
it has to do with those who hear, understand, and then believe on his name.

Romans 10:17...So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
IOW... FREE WILL because it says nothing about all of "HIS" own accepting him. and those who were His own... who had been given to Him... did not receive Him
Remember

Matt 15:24
But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
If she had not been persistent the Canaanite woman's daughter would not have been healed.
Jesus even said "Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once."

She came to faith by hearing.... FREE WILL... and not by being predetermined or else Jesus
would have seen her as one the Father gave him.

Matt 18:11 "For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost."
But the lost were from "HIS" people... and not all of them returned.


Luke 19:10 “For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
Again: the lost were from "HIS" people... and not all of them returned.
And that is born out with what you quoted above.
It was after that, when His own did not receive Him THEN ...as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God,
It was they that heard and believed and only then were accepted.
You finished that quote with
even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Which would be correct. Because no all of His people rejected Him from the beginning. Only the lost sheep that He came for. And when not all would follow Him then those who had heard and believed He gave the right to become children of God,
This would have applied to His people who already believed when He went for the lost sheep.
"even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."

Were some predetermined? Possibly because we have all been told the Jews were God's chosen.....

Were all? No because there are too many instances biblically that lead one to see free will in the works.

If the Jews were God's chosen... why did Jesus need to come back for any of them?
"FREEWILL"


If there was no free will then why did they rebel and turn against God and build a golden calf. "FREEWILL"
 
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The devil twists Gods word like you and all ye cults. The great deceiver at work with a false gospel

I literally quoted the Word of God, so you called my glorious Lord Jesus Christ your wicked "devil". No Christian applies "The great deceiver" to the Word of God. Lord Jesus Christ is truly the Good Holy God! The Word of God is absolute Truth!

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you believe your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you believe your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you believe your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.
(Mark 7:34-35)
But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!
 
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This isnt about anything natural, the natural and the spiritual are separate, man is alive naturally while he is naturally alive, but man is spiritually dead , by nature, and has no spiritual life, fruit of activity spiritually.
The mechanism of trust is the same; trust is trust, only the object thereof changes!


Doug
 
The word "failure" can only have meaning in regards to a stated goal.

Here, you are important your OWN goal of eliminating free will, then calling God a failure for not meeting it.

God's goal has never been to eliminate free will, that is false.
you are dealing with a complete fatalist/determinist mentality. think of it a a hyper c.
 
The mechanism of trust is the same; trust is trust, only the object thereof changes!


Doug

Faith/Belief in Christ inside of us Christians is the Fruit of the Holy Spirit of God:

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
(Galatians 5:22-23)

Therefore, faith in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a Fruit of the Spirit, the work of God, without ever being your work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21), TibiasDad, for the King of Glory declares “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

Free-willians are thieves for in the free-willian heart lies the deception that faith is the work of the free-willian's flesh.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
 
Faith/Belief in Christ inside of us Christians is the Fruit of the Holy Spirit of God:
the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Therefore, faith in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a Fruit of the Spirit, the work of God, without ever being your work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21), TibiasDad, for the King of Glory declares “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

Free-willians are thieves for in the free-willian heart lies the deception that faith is the work of the free-willian's flesh.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
nice strawman and btw you are making the argument for us rofl.

faith is a gift for BELIEVERS, not unbelievers.

an unbeliever must believe the gospel to become saved, faith is the requirement to be saved.

nowhere in scripture does God ever give, grant or gift faith to an unbeliever. That is the requirement God places on man.

next fallacy............ your fatalism/determinism has once again been proven wrong. Jesus and the Apostles taught man but believe by his own will which is free to choose to believe God or deny Him.

hope this helps !!!
 
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).
Thank you for quoting scripture that clearly destroys the heretical calvinist idea that our relationship with God is purely monergistic. Instead, it is clear that our relationship is synergistic - meaning that "work of God" and our "believe in Him" interact together.

Thus, you have manifested your dirt poor comprehension of the English language once again. I highly recommend that all calvinists go back to their English teachers and demand that they get their money back because their English Comprehension is deplorable. 🤮🤮🤮
 
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