An Article on free will

[brightfame52]

So God is controlling you?

He controlling you too, you just dont know it

 

[praise_yeshua]

He controlling you too, you just dont know it

Keep going......What is God controlling in me?

 

[Dizerner]

God made me post this.

 

[brightfame52]

God made me post this.

Trust me if He didnt want you to post it, you would not have lol

 

[praise_yeshua]

Trust me if He didnt want you to post it, you would not have lol

Surely you realize this is a different argument?????????? Maybe you don't.

It is difficult to have an intellectually honest conversation in circumstances such you present. At least admit that you believe something that you can't support with any sense of reason. I don't even know why you try. I really don't.

 

[Dizerner]

He has no choice, God makes him do it.

 

[civic]

So God is controlling you?

little g 2 cor 4:4

 

[civic]

He has no choice, God makes him do it.

ya like god tempted me and made me sin against someone. incredible what some people blame God for- its unreal.

 

[civic]

Trust me if He didnt want you to post it, you would not have lol

and I suppose this god teaches you false doctrine too right.

do you think you know all truth ?

 

[Kermos]

You don’t have the truth as a fatalist.

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

You don't have the Truth (John 14:6) because you do not believe the Truth (John 14:6).

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you believe your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you believe your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you believe your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.
(Mark 7:34-35)
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But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[synergy]

4Thats my point, its only the Sons that believe on Christ once they are regenerated made alive. Jn 1:12-13 Vs 13 explains who believes from Vs 12

John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".

Instead of facing up to that truth, you run off to other verses and distort them. You allegorized Luke 15:24 in order to warp it and to have it confirm to your heretical beliefs. Luke 15:24 is referring to a physical son, not a spiritual son, you illiterate. You would have been a fantastic student to Origen, the heretic who allegorized everything in the Early Church.

The word become means their sonship is manifested,

When they believe it becomes apparent for the first time they are the sons of God

Sonship is manifested 1 Jn 3:10

In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

The word manifest phaneros means:

1. apparent, manifest, evident, known
2. manifest i.e to be plainly recognised or known

The word children here teknon is the same word sons in Jn 1:12

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

So they have always been the sons of God, even when dead in sin.

If "they have always been the sons of God" then they would have always "received him" and "believed on his name" from day 1 of their existence. You are promoting a superintelligent species that can do that as infants. You are watching too many Sci Fi movies these days.

I already know you cant receive truth and you will continue to scoff, but there may be someone this may help understand Jn 1:12-13 biblically.

And dont expect me to explain all your misconceptions and errors

Go back to your English teachers and demand that you get your money back because your English Comprehension is disgusting.

@Kermos should do the same thing as he seems to be in complete agreement with you.

 

[civic]

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

You don't have the Truth (John 14:6) because you do not believe the Truth (John 14:6).

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you believe your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you believe your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you believe your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

​

And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.​

(Mark 7:34-35)​

​

But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!

The devil twists Gods word like you and all ye cults. The great deceiver at work with a false gospel

 

[praise_yeshua]

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

You don't have the Truth (John 14:6) because you do not believe the Truth (John 14:6).

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you believe your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you believe your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you believe your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.
(Mark 7:34-35)
​

But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!

You're free to believe whatever you chose to believe. Such doesn't often have anything to do with reality.

Just FYI.... fatalism is a systematic belief that attempts to reconcile reality with reason. That is why you're being called a "fatalist". Your comments require such in the context of reality.

In your mind...... well that is a different "story".

 

[brightfame52]

John 1:12-13 is clear who the children of God are. It is those who actively "received Him" and "believe into His name" are "them He gave authority to become children of God".

Instead of facing up to that truth, you run off to other verses and distort them. You allegorized Luke 15:24 in order to warp it and to have it confirm to your heretical beliefs. Luke 15:24 is referring to a physical son, not a spiritual son, you illiterate. You would have been a fantastic student to Origen, the heretic who allegorized everything in the Early Church.

If "they have always been the sons of God" then they would have always "received him" and "believed on his name" from day 1 of their existence. You are promoting a superintelligent species that can do that as infants. You are watching too many Sci Fi movies these days.

Go back to your English teachers and demand that you get your money back because your English Comprehension is disgusting.

@Kermos should do the same thing as he seems to be in complete agreement with you.

Told you, you have no spiritual comprehension

 

[praise_yeshua]

The devil twists Gods word like you and all ye cults. The great deceiver at work with a false gospel

Ego and self worth always seem to turn silly men into an "authoritative" source.

The only reason they have is "I said so".........

 

[praise_yeshua]

Told you, you have no spiritual comprehension

Why does "spiritual comprehension" require English?

What you believe doesn't require words at all.

 

[synergy]

Told you, you have no spiritual comprehension

I reject your allegories because:

1. They fly in the face of John 1:12-13,
2. They promote a fictional super species that has always "received him" and "believed on his name" from day 1 of their existence as infants.
3. They manifest your dirt poor English Comprehension of Luke 15:24.

You possess the free will to carry on with your distorted allegories.

Seriously, go back to your English teachers and demand that you get your money back because your English Comprehension is disgusting.

 

[MTMattie]

He controlling you too, you just dont know it

When did he start to control me? I mean, I likely owe him a big thankyou for how he controlled me over the years.... back in the day

 

[civic]

When did he start to control me? I mean, I likely owe him a big thankyou for how he controlled me over the years.... back in the day

The person would say Paul was controlled by his god to kill Christians. And they would also say the rape and murder of women and children were the cause of their god, it was his will and predestined those atrocious acts to occur. It’s the same fatalism @Kermos peddles.

I have plenty of quotes I can provide from Calvinist theologians and pastors who believe this trash

 

[brightfame52]

Some times, make that the majority of the time people don't fall for the man made theology of Calvinism.

They believe the truth. The real gospel.

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16

What's so ironic is the fact, that which is today called calvinism, particularly tulip, is the very truth of the Gospel of Gods Grace.