An Article on free will

[brightfame52]

Since it's God's will that all men are to be saved the problem is not on God's side, the problem is on man's side.

1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It is on Gods side, His will didnt get accomplished, that means mans will trumped Gods will, thats a sorry god if you ask me,

Its not the God of scripture Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

 

[Studyman]

Wasn't Eve placed in a garden with other voices who "Profess to know God" as well? Consider the undeniable Truth about any Law. A Law is only necessary for beings with choice or free will. Any "though shall not" is only given to beings which have the capacity to "shall". This is clearly evident in creation as Paul says in Romans 1.

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

This is what differentiates man from animal, in my view. No animal has a LAW because they have no choice. They are not created with the capacity to "Become a new creature". The very existence of "LAW" is proof that humans have a choice. "To shall", or to "shall not".

This Spiritual truth is revealed in the story of Eve. As soon as God Commanded to her "Thou shall not eat", there existed another choice "though shall eat". The 2 sides of the same coin. We all make choices hundreds of times a day. The key, in my view, is to choose God and the Scriptures HE Inspired to direct our footsteps/choices, as opposed to listening to the "Other voice" in the garden, who also professes to know God.

Duet. 30: 15 "See", I (The Christ, the Holy One of Israel) have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

*** "therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

Like Paul said, "Know ye not, that to whom ye "yield yourselves" servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

So false religions existed in the mind of man the moment God said "thou shall not".

And it was preserved through the flood with Ham.

"The nakedness of thy father, or the nakedness of thy mother, shalt thou not uncover"

Gen. 9: 21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

It is so simple even a child can understand. Psalms 119: 172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.


2 Cor. 11: 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[synergy]

It is on Gods side, His will didnt get accomplished, that means mans will trumped Gods will, thats a sorry god if you ask me,

Its not the God of scripture Job 23:13

You just spat on 1 Tim 2:3-4! That's so typical of Calvinists.

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

Dan 4:35

35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

Wonderful verses that align perfectly with His will that all men are to be saved. So the problem is not on God's side, the problem is on man's side.

 

[brightfame52]

You just spat on 1 Tim 2:3-4! That's so typical of Calvinists.

Wonderful verses that align perfectly with His will that all men are to be saved. So the problem is not on God's side, the problem is on man's side.

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

 

[Rockson]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

That is like saying one is a sorry man who doesn't force a female to be in relationship with him if he wants her. After all....he's physically stronger then her so if he doesn't assert his physical strength he's certainly not a man but a wimp.

 

[synergy]

That is like saying one is a sorry man who doesn't force a female to be in relationship with him if he wants her. After all....he's physically stronger then her so if he doesn't assert his physical strength he's certainly not a man but a wimp.

Who says that's not @brightfame52's view already?

 

[Hosanna]

Its answered, whether you like it or not.

This is starting to sound like "I know you are but what am I?" But what does the scripture say?

Upon our acceptance of Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit of God joins with our own spirit in ways we cannot comprehend. The apostle John said, “This is how we know that we live in Him and He in us: He has given us of His Spirit”. 1 John 4:13

 

[Aeliana]

Yes you do preach a false gospel if you preach arminanism, that God loves everyone and christ died for everyone, and offers salvation to everyone, thats a false accursed gospel all day long ! Is that the gospel you teach and preach ?

Wrong and please stop trying to characterize me. I'm not Armenian and never have been.

But what you posted is correct..."God loves everyone and christ died for everyone, and offers salvation to everyone"

Thanks for sharing the true gospel.

 

[Hosanna]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

That's not going to look good on your permanent record, Remember the Judgment.

 

[brightfame52]

Mans will isnt free, for God will harden his heart[will] whenever He pleases, and nothing man can do about it but comply. Lets look at the Book of Joshua 11:18-21

18 Joshua made war a long time with all those kings.

19 There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle.

20 For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses.

21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.

The word hearts in Vs 20 is the word lēḇ pronounced lave and it means:
inner man, mind, will, heart, understanding

1. inclination, resolution, determination (of will)

Their hearts, wills etc were not free from Gods will to harden them, and then for Him to be Just in destroying them,
And thats how it is with the non elect, intead of mercy and compassion for them, He hardens them and fits them for destruction Rom 9:18-19
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

 

[brightfame52]

That is like saying one is a sorry man who doesn't force a female to be in relationship with him if he wants her. After all....he's physically stronger then her so if he doesn't assert his physical strength he's certainly not a man but a wimp.

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong and please stop trying to characterize me. I'm not Armenian and never have been.

But what you posted is correct..."God loves everyone and christ died for everyone, and offers salvation to everyone"

Thanks for sharing the true gospel.

Thats a false gospel ! A Lie

 

[brightfame52]

That's not going to look good on your permanent record, Remember the Judgment.

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his, he is a dumb idol

 

[synergy]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

To @Rockson:
I told you that could very well be BF's view, and his reluctance to distance himself from your man/woman scenario proves that he espouses that view.

 

[Aeliana]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his, he is a dumb idol

Don't forget to judgment, It's coming.

 

[Aeliana]

To @Rockson:
I told you that could very well be BF's view, and his reluctance to distance himself from your man/woman scenario proves that he espouses that view.

Your post is very very illuminating. It could very well be that the brightness is dimming. That happens when you light a candle and put it under a basket, Calvinism is sort of like that basket, It's dark and cold and unloving in there.

 

[brightfame52]

To @Rockson:
I told you that could very well be BF's view, and his reluctance to distance himself from your man/woman scenario proves that he espouses that view.

Heres the god that bows to mans will and the devils will Ps 115:1-8

Not unto us, O Lord, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, and for thy truth's sake.

2 Wherefore should the heathen say, Where is now their God?

3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

6 They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:

7 They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.

8 They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

The red describes the god who lets mans will trump his will

 

[brightfame52]

Don't forget to judgment, It's coming.

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

No need to worry about that sorry god, mans will can trump his

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

No need to worry about that sorry god, mans will can trump his

Yes, a disappointed God who wants to save everyone, but most men won't let him.

 

[Aeliana]

Thats a sorry god that doesnt get his will done, but lets mans will trump his

No need to worry about that sorry god, mans will can trump his

No worries, I have Jesus and I'm more than a conqueror, through Jesus Christ my king. Do you know him?

Okay, believers are saved. Then what? What happens after salvation? The Bible is clear that not only have we been saved (at conversion), but also we are being saved. This is called sanctification. In addition, we will one day be fully saved from sin’s power at glorification in heaven.