An Article on free will

Actually it is, if you condition your salvation on your natural faith, being unregenerate, then its a work of the law ,,,,
You're trying to make a detour aound what Jesus said in Jn 6:27

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life,

But for the food, but for the food, but for the food! You ARE supposed to do a certain labor or work but it is the work and labor of faith. That is what the Lord has said.

 
You're trying to make a detour aound what Jesus said in Jn 6:27

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life,

But for the food, but for the food, but for the food! You ARE supposed to do a certain labor or work but it is the work and labor of faith. That is what the Lord has said.

Then put your trust in your labor of faith.
 
When did I ever say I pray only for the elect? Seriously you just make up stuff out of thin air. I have no idea (referring to people I don't know personally) who is among the elect and who isn't, so I speak truth to everyone. God can take it from there if He sees fit.
You're reference verses about prayer... Right? You're using them as evidence... Right?
You are using these verses to preach what exactly?

There is no reason to pretend I don't understand what you're saying. You're ripping the verse from its context.
 
God knows who His Elect are, we simply pray that the Lord be pleased to convert His elect, bring them to a saving knowledge of the Truth . Haven't you ever heard the prayer " Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven"
You guys are amazing. @The Rogue Tomato insist that he doesn't only pray for the elect and then you say that is exactly what you do and @The Rogue Tomato pats you on the back....

Do you real think no one sees your silly claims?
 
US is less discriminate than "YOU" in the English language.

It is more difficult to make the case you're trying to make relative to "us".

If you want to discuss, I will. Either way, the case you're trying to make isn't established whether it is you or us. God is longsuffering to all of humanity. That is why depraved people live for a very long time. Many have to experience the suffering of depravity before they "look up".
Long suffering makes no sense in a Calvinist world view where God determines everything

He determined who shall be reprobate before the foundation of the world for his own good pleasureso he has no cercern for their salvation and the elect he regenerates at will

2pe 3:9 is nonsense in a consistent Calvinist view
 
Long suffering makes no sense in a Calvinist world view where God determines everything
And long suffering means to have as your will a certain objective to be accomplished and achieved. The thing achieved is the thing that is really our will. Seeing God is omnipotent and can do anything why would he hold back on his will not being done if Calvinism were true? For the reason that God holds back on his will not being done should set aside Calvinistic thinking.
 
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. Heb 4:11
kicking against the pricks. strive to enter int the gate, to him who believes I will grant, go and do likewise, unless you forgive you will not be forgiven and the list goes on and on. Some would have us believe these are commands that God does for you, not that you are required to do. Its the same old puppet master theology at work.

commands and warnings have no use in that theological system, they are pointless.
 
You're trying to make a detour aound what Jesus said in Jn 6:27

Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life,

But for the food, but for the food, but for the food! You ARE supposed to do a certain labor or work but it is the work and labor of faith. That is what the Lord has said.
Mans natural faith is a work of the Law which is owed Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

If you condition your salvation on your own faith, congrats you have a law keeping salvation, good luck with that at Judgment
 
Mans natural faith is a work of the Law which is owed Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

If you condition your salvation on your own faith, congrats you have a law keeping salvation, good luck with that at Judgment
You just twisted Jesus words again. They ( the pharisees) omitted the law, judgment, mercy and faith.

As you would say :

More foolish talk, nothing with substance

hope this helps !!!
 
You just twisted Jesus words again. They ( the pharisees) omitted the law, judgment, mercy and faith.

As you would say :

More foolish talk, nothing with substance

hope this helps !!!
Mans natural faith is a debt owed to the law of God, good luck with that
 
Afraid not

Receive is paralambano

it is an Aorist active verb

It is not those who received him were passively given Christ, but that they actively received him.

According to BAGD

It means to recognize his authority

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

Christ does not enter men unconditionally

The Apostle John specifically disallowed your free-will to "receive" Christ in the passage with John's words of "nor of the will of man" (John 1:13).

John's words are "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13), and the word "received" is accurately translated from ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambanó - to take, receive), and, indeed, "received" is Aorist and active grammatically.

Please see the attached image that shows the Greek word used by the Apostle in John 1:12.

You deceived that the Greek word παρέλαβον (Strong's 3880 - paralambanó - to receive from) is the source word for "received" in John 1:12.

"Receive is paralambano" in the prior verse of John 1:11, not John 1:12-13.

In John 1:11, the Apostle used the word "receive" to illustrate man's inability to choose to receive [Christ] into one’s house, so to speak; therefore, the very specific Greek word that you brought up proves the error of your free-willian way.

The word "receive" means "unavoidably enters"; on the other hand, the word "accept" means "allowed to enter".

The work of "accept" is specifically disallowed in the passage with "nor of the will of man".

The grammatical sense of the word "receive" indicates Christ "unavoidably enters" a joyfully receptive person according to the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24)!

Your heart makes false statements about God. Freewill is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

(The word(s) "you/your" indicates TomL as well as @praise_yeshua and @civic because of your Like reaction to TomL's misguided post)

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!
 

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The Apostle John specifically disallowed your free-will to "receive" Christ in the passage with John's words of "nor of the will of man" (John 1:13).

John's words are "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13), and the word "received" is accurately translated from ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambanó - to take, receive), and, indeed, "received" is Aorist and active grammatically.

Please see the attached image that shows the Greek word used by the Apostle in John 1:12.

You deceived that the Greek word παρέλαβον (Strong's 3880 - paralambanó - to receive from) is the source word for "received" in John 1:12.

"Receive is paralambano" in the prior verse of John 1:11, not John 1:12-13.

In John 1:11, the Apostle used the word "receive" to illustrate man's inability to choose to receive [Christ] into one’s house, so to speak; therefore, the very specific Greek word that you brought up proves the error of your free-willian way.

The word "receive" means "unavoidably enters"; on the other hand, the word "accept" means "allowed to enter".

The work of "accept" is specifically disallowed in the passage with "nor of the will of man".

The grammatical sense of the word "receive" indicates Christ "unavoidably enters" a joyfully receptive person according to the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24)!

Your heart makes false statements about God. Freewill is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

(The word(s) "you/your" indicates TomL as well as @praise_yeshua and @civic because of your Like reaction to TomL's misguided post)

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!
CONFLATING the new birth ( 1:13 )given by God with mans faith ( John 1:12- those who believe/receive ) required by God.

hope this helps !!!
 
And long suffering means to have as your will a certain objective to be accomplished and achieved. The thing achieved is the thing that is really our will. Seeing God is omnipotent and can do anything why would he hold back on his will not being done if Calvinism were true? For the reason that God holds back on his will not being done should set aside Calvinistic thinking.
There is so much in scripture which is contrary to Calvinism should the Calvinist really seek to test his theology
 
no thats your twisting of the passage.
Plainly Faith is due to the Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
Plainly Faith is due to the Law Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
I think the KJV is to hard for you to understand. Maybe these translations will help you with understanding Jesus words.

New Living Translation
“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Amplified Bible
“Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.

Contemporary English Version
You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give [God] one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the most important things in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

Good News Translation
"How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

hope this helps !!!
 
I think the KJV is to hard for you to understand. Maybe these translations will help you with understanding Jesus words.

New Living Translation
“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things

Amplified Bible
“Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.

Contemporary English Version
You Pharisees and teachers are show-offs, and you're in for trouble! You give God a tenth of the spices from your garden, such as mint, dill, and cumin. Yet you neglect the more important matters of the Law, such as justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the important things you should have done, though you should not have left the others undone either.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"How horrible it will be for you, scribes and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give [God] one-tenth of your mint, dill, and cumin. But you have neglected justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are the most important things in Moses' Teachings. You should have done these things without neglecting the others.

Good News Translation
"How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

hope this helps !!!
Im going to let that alone. Just as Love to God is owed to the Law, so is Faith, in fact Luke uses the word Love instead of Faith Lk 11:42

42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
 
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