Eternally-Grateful
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I am a zero point calvinist
Faith comes by hearing and hearing buy the word of God
An Article on free will
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Faith comes by hearing and hearing buy the word of God
brightfame52
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Where does the ability to hear come from ? All cannot hear Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
And He not talking about physically hearing with the physical ear
TibiasDad
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Dizerner
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Jesus put conditions on salvation.
He didn't seem to have the same understanding of grace as you do.
Eternally-Grateful
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No he did not
He told us how to be saved
Because he was not sent to judge, he was sent that the world (all of it) Mai got be (have the possibility) to be saved
For god so loved the world. He gave his only son, that whoever BELIEVES in him WILL NEVER PERISH but HAS ETERNAL LIFE.
You want to earn your salvation by your deeds. Feel free my friend. The wage of sin is death, not good works.
TibiasDad
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I receive it does not mean I deserve it; it is a response that must occur prior to me experiencing the effect of the gift being offered.
That I act in response to God does not mean that am worthy of it! It is an act of human will, but is not meritorious in nature.
God is obligated by his promise, not by man actions.
Doug
Eternally-Grateful
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Again, I do not see this as a condition
Your salvation is bought and paid for. The only thing you can do is Keep god from saving you
Remain defiant, remain in unbelief. Try to work to earn it. Deny you even need it..
or just in faith let God do the job he came to do.
You do not have to do anything.
Scripture says we do not see because we do not believe. We are working so hard to ignore the truth (or as God said we hide it in ourselves. Deny it, in spite of the evidence ignore it
I heard something one day and it did not make sense at the time but the more I thought about it, the more I agreed
it takes more work to not believe, that it takes to believe.
praise_yeshua
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You can't hear without a preacher. That part is very clear.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Read these words again.
How shall they hear without a preacher?
So..... this requirement is fulfilled in hearing the preacher.
praise_yeshua
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Hearing the preacher is a requirement.
brightfame52
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Where does the ability to hear come from ? All cannot hear Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
And He not talking about physically hearing with the physical ear
praise_yeshua
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I know you believe he is not talking about physical hearing. I knew that 30 years ago.
Yet you know that the preacher is required. It can not be anything less than physical hearing. If it is a requirement to hear the preacher, then the requirement is meet physical consuming the words of the preacher. That can take place either audibly, through touch, through eyes, and etc.
This isn't difficult. If what you say is true, there would be no requirement to "physically" hear the preacher. You can't possibly "hear" without WORDS being given in the languages of men. There has to be a translator. That translator use the physical WORDS that only exists in the languages of men. That is why preachers are required. God isn't your translator.... MEN ARE....
1Co 14:11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
See the requirement to speak human words that are easily understood......
It is so ridiculous what you preach to those you seek to keep from God.
brightfame52
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Where does the ability to hear come from ? All cannot hear Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
And He not talking about physically hearing with the physical ear
Jesus says one that is of God heareth Gods word Jn 847
47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
So that means one must be saved to hear Gods word , thats what of God means
praise_yeshua
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Did you learn English? Don't you need to learn English to understand the Scriptures?
Why is that if you have all this "Spiritual Knowledge" gifted to you?
1Co 14:9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
Dizerner
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Feels like I'm speaking to the air half the time on here for sure, lol.
TibiasDad
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This is a contradictory argument: Letting/allowing God to do the job he came to do is doing something. Nothing happens to me unless I “in faith let God do the job he came to do.”
This does not mean I am now deserving of salvation, or that I’ve backed God into a corner and forced him to do something that he doesn’t want to do. It simply means that God will not give us anything that we don’t want to receive. Human reception is an act of the will, and that is “doing something”, just like my wife agreeing to marry me is her doing something to allow a marriage to occur. (Perhaps that is why God uses marriage to illustrate our relationship with Him?)
Doug
