An Article on free will

@Red Baker

Is that Faith then a fruit of the Spirit ? Who regenerates a person, is it the Spirit of God ?
First, the faith that justifies us legally speaking is the faith of Jesus Christ, that produced the perfect obedience to the law of God as our surety. See #5,994, and please consider it once more carefully. Thank you.

Secondly, yes, faith is the fruit of the Spirit of God that lives in our new man that was created after the image of Jesus Christ.

Thirdly, the elect sinner, must be first quicken to life by the power of God, before he can hear, see, and believe. Once he is quickened to life and has the new man created within him, then, and only then, he can hear, see, and have faith, but all of this comes over time, more so when he can hear a man of God preaching the truth of the gospel.

Does this answer your questions?
 
Yet the Bible says we can know we have eternal life. And we also know in Eph 1 and Romans 8 the indwelling Holy Spirit is the down payment / guarantee of our inheritance in Christ and that nothing in this life can separate us from Him. And we know it’s called eternal life and not temporal or conditional life. :)

Of all the OSAS "arguments," these really have to be the absolute worst ones, along with "sealed."

Terminology hijacking to preload a term with your own favored theology is completely disingenuous.

It is a specific modern meaning of eternal and sealed being anachronistically read back into an ancient language completely out of context.

Eternal means "having existed forever" as well, so now you are going to claim you were alive in eternity past along with God and have aseity along with him, it's the illegitimate totality transfer fallacy. Plus in the original languages it actually says, "to the age," an unspecified duration of time.

And when the Bible uses "sealed" it was for ancient documents with a wax seal as a sign of ownership, easily broken by anyone, it was not a TV commercial for Gorilla glue in some modern context.
 
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Of all the OSAS "arguments," these really have to be the absolute worst ones, along with "sealed."

Terminology hijacking to preload a term with your own favored theology is completely disingenuous.

It is a specific modern meaning of eternal and sealed being anachronistically read back into an ancient language completely out of context.

Eternal means "having existed forever" as well, so now you are going to claim you were alive in eternity past along with God and have aseity along with him, it's the illegitimate totality transfer fallacy. Plus in the original languages it actually says, "to the age," an unspecified duration of time.

And when the Bible uses "sealed" it was for ancient documents with a wax seal as a sign of ownership, easily broken by anyone, it was not a TV commercial for Gorilla glue in some modern context.
The seal in Eph cannot be broken look it up :)

talk about a bad argument
 
I recently heard an OSAS Baptist proudly say this statement during a debate:

"I'm an Arminian before the Cross, and a Calvinist after the Cross."

Even amongst his own denials, he subconsciously and intuitively associated the loss of free will with Calvinism.
 
4972. sphragizó
Strong's Lexicon
sphragizó: To seal, to set a seal upon, to mark with a seal
Original Word: σφραγίζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: sphragizó
Pronunciation: sfrag-ID-zo
Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-id'-zo)
Definition: To seal, to set a seal upon, to mark with a seal
Meaning: I seal, set a seal upon.
Word Origin: From the Greek noun σφραγίς (sphragis), meaning "seal" or "signet."
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: The Hebrew equivalent often associated with the concept of sealing is חָתַם (chatham), Strong's Hebrew 2856, which means to seal or to close up.
Usage: The verb "sphragizó" primarily means to seal or to set a seal upon something. In the biblical context, it conveys the idea of authentication, ownership, security, and approval. It is used both in literal and metaphorical senses, such as sealing a document or a tomb, and sealing believers with the Holy Spirit.
Cultural and Historical Background: In ancient times, seals were used to signify authority, authenticity, and ownership. A seal was often a signet ring or a stamp pressed into wax or clay, leaving an impression that served as a signature. Seals were used to secure documents, mark property, and ensure that something remained untouched until the rightful owner or an authorized person opened it. In the biblical context, sealing also carried a spiritual significance, indicating God's ownership and protection over His people.
HELPS Word-studies
4972
sphragízō (from 4973 /sphragís, "a seal") – properly, to seal (affix) with a signet ring or other instrument to stamp (a roller or seal), i.e. to attest ownership, authorizing (validating) what is sealed.
4972 /sphragízō ("to seal") signifies ownership and the full security carried by the backing (full authority) of the owner. "Sealing" in the ancient world served as a "legal signature" which guaranteed the promise (contents) of what was sealed​
 
Expositors Greek

and it followed on their πίστις.—ἐσφραγίσθητε: ye were sealed. The verb σφραγίζειν (= חָתַס) in the NT expresses several distinct ideas, e.g., confirming or authenticating (John 3:32; John 6:27; cf.σφραγίς in Romans 4:11; 1 Corinthians 9:2); securing (Matthew 27:66; Revelation 20:3); keeping secret (Revelation 10:4; Revelation 22:10; cf. σφραγίς in Revelation 5:1-2; Revelation 5:5; Revelation 5:9; Revelation 6:1; Revelation 8:1, etc.); marking as one’s possession or as destined for something (Revelation 8:3-8; cf. σφραγίς in 2 Timothy 3:4; Revelation 9:4). Here and in Ephesians 4:30 the idea seems to be either that of authenticating or certifying them to be of God’s heritage, or that of marking them as such. The two ideas are near akin. The latter will be more applicable, if (with Theophyl., Chrys., Cornel. a Lap., Alf., etc.) we take the attestation to be the objective attestation to others, the evidence to our fellows that we are the chosen of God; the former, if (with Mey., Ell., etc.) we take it to be the attestation to our own consciousness. This hope or assurance which is given to ourselves seems rather in view here (cf. Romans 8:16). There is no reason to suppose that there is any allusion here to any peculiar use of the seal whether in Jewish custom or in heathen religious service. Nor is the rite of Baptism specially referred to. In ecclesiastical Greek, indeed, baptism came to be denoted by the term σφραγίς; but there is no instance of that in the NT. The terms σφραγίς, σφραγίζειν, are used in the Pauline Epistles of circumcision (Romans 4:11), of the contribution from Macedonia and Achaia (Romans 15:28), of the Corinthians as the witnesses to Paul’s apostleship (1 Corinthians 9:2), of the inward certificationof believers (2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13; Ephesians 4:30), and of the destination or ownership of the Church or congregation of believers (2 Timothy 2:19).—τῶ Πνεύματι τῆς ἐπαγγελίας τῷ ἁγίῳ: with the Holy Spirit of promise. The Spirit is that by which (instrumentaldative) the sealing is effected; and that Spirit is called the Spirit of promise, not in the active sense of bringing or confirmingthe promise (Calv., Bez., etc.), but in the passive sense of having been announced by the promise, or being the object or content of the promise in the OT. The τῷ ἁγίῳ, thrown emphatically to the end of the clause, designates the Spirit solemnly in respect of the essential personal quality of holiness. Taken together with the general tenor of the paragraph and with the fact that in the ὑμεῖς Gentile Christians as a whole are addressed, and not any select number or class, it is clear that what is in view here is not the extraordinary or miraculous gifts of the Spirit, but that bestowal of the Spirit in which all believers shared, which was the subject of the great OT prophecies (Joel 3:1-5; Isaiah 32:15; Isaiah 44:3; Ezekiel 36:26; Ezekiel 39:29; Zechariah 12:10), and of which a new heart, a new spirit, was to be the result.
 
First, the faith that justifies us legally speaking is the faith of Jesus Christ, that produced the perfect obedience to the law of God as our surety. See #5,994, and please consider it once more carefully. Thank you.

Secondly, yes, faith is the fruit of the Spirit of God that lives in our new man that was created after the image of Jesus Christ.

Thirdly, the elect sinner, must be first quicken to life by the power of God, before he can hear, see, and believe. Once he is quickened to life and has the new man created within him, then, and only then, he can hear, see, and have faith, but all of this comes over time, more so when he can hear a man of God preaching the truth of the gospel.

Does this answer your questions?
This did answer my question:

Secondly, yes, faith is the fruit of the Spirit of God that lives in our new man that was created after the image of Jesus Christ.

So is Faith in Eph 2:8 the fruit of the Spirit ? Yes or no
 
Since you believe "man must still chose to use (belief in Christ)" (proof post #5,816), then you believe not "I have been saved by grace period" because your two combined statements of your heart nullify the Word of God which was proclaimed to you in the post to which you replied “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

John 3 that whoever believes shall not perish but live forever
Eph 2: 8 - 9 fgor it is by Grace we have been saved THROUGH FAITH

I believe what the word of God says. not what mean want me to believe
The Christ of us Christians declares “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21), but you believe "man must still chose to use (belief in Christ)"
lol.

No one will come to the light unless they first have faith.

next..
(proof post #5,816); therefore, you believe you came to Christ as a work of Eternally-Grateful for which you boast of your self-willed work that you think saved you

1. It was the work of God I believes
2. I was saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. not of works

I am not boasting of anything

I am not boasting I am special or puffing myself up as a chosen one.. nor am I boasting of my works.

God saved me
yet you actually revile the authority of King Jesus of the Kingdom of God (2 Peter 2:9-10); in contrast, Lord Jesus says I came to Christ as a work of God for which I am eternally grateful to God for the saving Grace of God regarding this blessed work of God that I believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!
No, I revial the false teaching that God is not a fully unconditional loving god.. the same God you promote
Lord Jesus Christ made absolutely clear that every occurrence of believing in God referred to by the Word of God as recorded in John chapter 3 is by God's Grace alone. We Christians are saved by God's grace, for God's glory! Thanks be to God for the cleansing Blood of Christ!
Yes it is by Gods grace (THROUGH FAITH)

he will not force it on you.
You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).
You can not buy your way to heaven, Jesus paid the price, but he will not force it on you.. its sad you think this is what happens
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
lol.. Fatalism is a work of man

Free will is found in the word from genesis until revelation.

Chose this day.
 
Of all the OSAS "arguments," these really have to be the absolute worst ones, along with "sealed."

Terminology hijacking to preload a term with your own favored theology is completely disingenuous.

It is a specific modern meaning of eternal and sealed being anachronistically read back into an ancient language completely out of context.

Eternal means "having existed forever" as well, so now you are going to claim you were alive in eternity past along with God and have aseity along with him, it's the illegitimate totality transfer fallacy. Plus in the original languages it actually says, "to the age," an unspecified duration of time.

And when the Bible uses "sealed" it was for ancient documents with a wax seal as a sign of ownership, easily broken by anyone, it was not a TV commercial for Gorilla glue in some modern context.
But jesus said, when we look to him in faith. I will never perish (I can not die) and I have eternal life) this new life I have in christ is eternal

eternal means forever.
 
I recently heard an OSAS Baptist proudly say this statement during a debate:

"I'm an Arminian before the Cross, and a Calvinist after the Cross."

Even amongst his own denials, he subconsciously and intuitively associated the loss of free will with Calvinism.
which is why I said, instead of arguing calvin vs arminian.

lets discuss the word.
 
I did "look it up," lol. I love you literally post no information, spout out lies fed to you be by Baptist OSAS devotees, and then confidently pat yourself on the back.
You looked it up?

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:22
who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Three times paul said it

One he twlls us when the seal begins (when we hear the word and have faith)

and another says when it will end 9the day of redemption. or the day we are ressurected?
 
If you are a Christian Jesus lives inside of you. To become unsaved to have to evict Him. Eviction notice to the King of Kings.

In 2 Corinthians 13:5, the apostle Paul asks the Corinthian believers a question: “Or do you not realize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you?”

In writing Jesus Christ is in you, Paul wasn’t speaking poetically or metaphorically. He meant that Jesus Christ was literally dwelling within them.

Just like the Corinthians, we believers today need to realize this fact about ourselves. Christ isn’t outside of us as some kind of Helper in our time of need; He actually lives in us and is with us all the time.
 
You looked it up?

Ephesians 4:30
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
2 Corinthians 1:22
who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Ephesians 1:13
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Three times paul said it

One he twlls us when the seal begins (when we hear the word and have faith)

and another says when it will end 9the day of redemption. or the day we are ressurected?
Nice scriptures
 
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