An Article on free will

[Kermos]

Once again you fail to address the scripture

Still spamming the same reply while failing to address the verses before you

No spam is your repeat comments which do not address what was posted

John 1:6-7

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45-47

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony



Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



Even the preaching of the old testament is sufficient






John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4-11

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10-17

Acts 28:23–24



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?
Now once again your failed to address what was posted and repeat yourself and so are spamming yet again


Al you do is repeat yourself and ignore rebuttal to your claims

address rebuttal

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose to believe in God.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in the following.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

 

[TomL]

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose to believe in God.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in the following.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

You spammed again and just repeated yourself not addressing a single verse

John 1:6-7

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45-47

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony



Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



Even the preaching of the old testament is sufficient






John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4-11

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10-17

Acts 28:23–24



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?

All you do is repeat yourself and ignore rebuttal to your claims

spamming the same thing over and over

 

[civic]

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose to believe in God.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in the following.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

the same ole gookgobbly cut n paste.

 

[TomL]

the same ole gookgobbly cut n paste.

Yep just the same old deny and ignore scripture when it does not support his/her theology

 

[Kermos]

You spammed again and just repeated yourself not addressing a single verse




All you do is repeat yourself and ignore rebuttal to your claims

spamming the same thing over and over

Lord Jesus Christ embedded a declaration inside a question "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
" (Luke 12:57), so you fail to possess the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose Jesus.

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose to believe in God.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in post #4,961.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[TomL]

Lord Jesus Christ embedded a declaration inside a question "why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
" (Luke 12:57), so you fail to possess the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose Jesus.

Sorry that is not even close

Jesus questions why they do not judge what is right

He does not deny they could, so judge

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose to believe in God.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in post #4,961.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

LOL that is just bald denial which addresses nothing

Try for a change

John 1:6-7

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45-47

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony



Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



Even the preaching of the old testament is sufficient






John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4-11

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10-17

Acts 28:23–24



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?

 

[synergy]

Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men.

When you spewed out your lie below (that Calvin is our god) did you use your free-will to do so or did your god cause you to spew out that lie. Which is it?

You preach your god Calvin because you are a Calvinist quoting Calvinists as support for your belief in free-will.

 

[TomL]

When you spewed out your lie below (that Calvin is our god) did you use your free-will to do so or did your god cause you to spew out that lie. Which is it?

In his theology, God causes all things - even lies

 

[synergy]

In his theology, God causes all things - even lies

Exactly! @Kermos is unwittingly following a god that causes Kermos to lie. That is NOT the true God. The true God does not and cannot lie.

 

[civic]

Sorry that is not even close

Jesus questions why they do not judge what is right

He does not deny they could, so judge



LOL that is just bald denial which addresses nothing

Try for a change

John 1:6-7

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45-47

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony



Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



Even the preaching of the old testament is sufficient






John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4-11

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10-17

Acts 28:23–24



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?

Amen

 

[civic]

When you spewed out your lie below (that Calvin is our god) did you use your free-will to do so or did your god cause you to spew out that lie. Which is it?

I know since none of us are calvinists.

 

[TomL]

Amen

Yet I doubt she ever will.

 

[TomL]

Exactly! @Kermos is unwittingly following a god that causes Kermos to lie. That is NOT the true God. The true God does not and cannot lie.

I do not understand how they think they honor God in holding to this

 

[Kermos]

Sorry that is not even close

Jesus questions why they do not judge what is right

He does not deny they could, so judge

You fail to understand basic English as shown here because Jesus literally says that people cannot judge what is right on their own initiative:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you occasionally not even on your own initiative judge what is right (TomL 12:57).		why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right (Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You and your free-willian pals fail to possess the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose Jesus.

LOL that is just bald denial which addresses nothing

Try for a change

John 1:6-7

John the apostle believes the testimony of John the Baptist is sufficient for faith.

John 5:45-47

John 4:39 (KJV 1900) — 39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

How much exegesis is needed to see men believed based upon the woman's testimony

John 17:20 (KJV 1900) — 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

men will be able to believe based on the apostle's testimony



Acts 19:8 (ESV) — 8 And he entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.

Paul persauded men concerning the Kingdom of God

Acts 17:2–4 (ESV) — 2 And Paul went in, as was his custom, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and proving that it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus, whom I proclaim to you, is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a great many of the devout Greeks and not a few of the leading women.



Convincing them Jesus was the Christ



Acts 28:23–24 (KJV 1900) — 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.



Even the preaching of the old testament is sufficient






John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reading of scripture is sufficient for belief

2 Timothy 3:15 (NIV) — 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 3:4-11

As is the preaching of it.

Romans 10:10-17

Acts 28:23–24



John 7:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?



Miracles have power to bring about faith



John 5:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

John 12:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

God blinded men to prevent their belief. Why would God blind someone who had no ability to see?



Why prevent from believing those who had no capacity for belief

Luke notes had men not grown hardened they could have believed

Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


unregenerate men are shown to receive the word with joy and believe

Luke 8:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

The adversary steals the word away so men will not believe

Luke 8:11–12 (KJV 1900) — 11 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

What need is there to steal away a word which cannot be believed?

God causes me to show where the Word of God states man cannot choose to believe in God on man's own initiative, and you reply with no Word of God that states that man can choose to believe in God on man's own initiative.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in the following.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

 

[TomL]

You fail to understand basic English as shown here because Jesus literally says that people cannot judge what is right on their own initiative:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you occasionally not even on your own initiative judge what is right (TomL 12:57).		why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right (Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).

sorry you have poor reading comprehension skills

He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right

Luke 12:57–59 (NIV) — 57 “Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”

it's no wonder you cannot understand scripture

 

[Kermos]

sorry you have poor reading comprehension skills

He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right

Luke 12:57–59 (NIV) — 57 “Why don’t you judge for yourselves what is right? 58 As you are going with your adversary to the magistrate, try hard to be reconciled on the way, or your adversary may drag you off to the judge, and the judge turn you over to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison. 59 I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.”

it's no wonder you cannot understand scripture

"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:27), so you cannot know God unless God chooses to enable you to perceive God, and this beautiful knowledge of God comes from being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"No one is good except God alone" (The Word of God, Mark 10:18), so man is evil thus incapable of doing the good of perceiving the awesome righteousness of God unless man's perception results from man being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him" (The Way, Matthew 7:11), so the Christ told His disciples that His disciples are evil, yet the Son chose to reveal the Father to His disciples (John 15:16; Matthew 11:27), so the Holy Spirit imparts into Christ's disciples the ability to ask the Righteous God for good according to God's Will (John 15:19); therefore, man is at the mercy of Almighty God who bestows Grace in every aspect of man being saved from the wrath of God, and man's own initiative cannot choose the Righteous God whom evil man cannot perceive in righteousness!

When you wrote "He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right", then you fail to understand basic English because Jesus literally says that people do not have the ability to judge what is right on their own initiative when He asks them why they do not have the ability:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you not even judge what is right? Know this, you can judge what is right on your own initiative (TomL 12:57).

[td] [/td][td]why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
(Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).[/td]

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You and your free-willian friends feign the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose God.

You do not see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and of post #4,961.

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose God.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE WAY!!!

 

[civic]

You fail to understand basic English as shown here because Jesus literally says that people cannot judge what is right on their own initiative:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you occasionally not even on your own initiative judge what is right (TomL 12:57).		why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right (Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You and your free-willian pals fail to possess the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose Jesus.



God causes me to show where the Word of God states man cannot choose to believe in God on man's own initiative, and you reply with no Word of God that states that man can choose to believe in God on man's own initiative.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you preach and teach and believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

You wrote "John 15:5 speaks of the believers walk not the ability to believe" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

TomL's Self-exaltation		Exaltation of Christ
I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for you can choose to believe in me apart from Me (TomL 15:5).		I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the the Holy Word of God.

Moreover, you do not believe Jesus (John 5:45-47) when He says "see" (John 3:3) as can be seen in when you wrote "John 3:3 speaks of on experiencing the kingdom of God not seeing it" (proof post #4,906), so you adulterate the Word of God in order for your heart to nullify the Word of God, and your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) interpretation intention to delete the Word of God is evident in your quotations augmented with your heart's thoughts in your posts:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot experience yet he can see the Kingdom of God (TomL 3:3).		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You fail to see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and in the following.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE GOD - THE GIVER OF LIFE AND SIGHT!!!

And you fail to understand the basics of the Bible.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:27), so you cannot know God unless God chooses to enable you to perceive God, and this beautiful knowledge of God comes from being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"No one is good except God alone" (The Word of God, Mark 10:18), so man is evil thus incapable of doing the good of perceiving the awesome righteousness of God unless man's perception results from man being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him" (The Way, Matthew 7:11), so the Christ told His disciples that His disciples are evil, yet the Son chose to reveal the Father to His disciples (John 15:16; Matthew 11:27), so the Holy Spirit imparts into Christ's disciples the ability to ask the Righteous God for good according to God's Will (John 15:19); therefore, man is at the mercy of Almighty God who bestows Grace in every aspect of man being saved from the wrath of God, and man's own initiative cannot choose the Righteous God whom evil man cannot perceive in righteousness!

When you wrote "He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right", then you fail to understand basic English because Jesus literally says that people do not have the ability to judge what is right on their own initiative when He asks them why they do not have the ability:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you not even judge what is right? Know this, you can judge what is right on your own initiative (TomL 12:57).

[td] [/td][td]why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
(Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).[/td]

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You and your free-willian friends feign the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose God.

You do not see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and of post #4,961.

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose God.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE WAY!!!

Where do you see any support for your claim they could not judge what is right?

Luke 12:57–59 (UASV) — 57 And why do you not also judge for yourselves what is right? 58 For as you are going with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to come to a settlement with him on the way, so that he will not drag you to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the bailiff, and the bailiff will throw you into prison. 59 I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the very last lepton.

This is just basic reading comprehension but even that seems to escape you.

 

[Kermos]

You jumped to and fro and went all over the place.

The fact is you cannot prove I’m wrong about John 15 that it’s about His disciples not about you.

All you have is your opinion and assumptions where I stayed with the text proving it’s about His 11 disciples present with Him.

Jesus the True Vine

Abiding in Love: A Deep Dive into John 15
John 15, a chapter filled with divine love and instructions, shines a light on the believer's journey. The vivid analogy of the vine and branches underscores our absolute need for a relationship with Jesus to live fruitful lives. Moreover, the commandment of love sets the standard for relationships, while the promise of the Holy Spirit and warning of persecution provide comfort and preparation for the trials to come.biblehub

Verses 1-8: The Vine and the Branches

Jesus uses the metaphor of a vine and its branches to explain the relationship between Himself (the true vine), His disciples (the branches), and His Father (the vineyard keeper). He emphasizes the necessity of abiding in Him to bear fruit.

Verses 9-17: Abiding in Love

Jesus instructs His disciples to abide in His love, just as He abides in His Father's love. He re-emphasizes the commandment to love one another and elucidates that greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.

Verses 18-25: The World's Hatred

Jesus warns His disciples that they will face persecution from the world because they are not of the world. He points out that their persecution is due to the world's hatred of Him.

Verses 26-27: The Witness of the Holy Spirit

Jesus ends by reiterating the promise of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, who will bear witness about Him. And the disciples also will bear witness because they have been with Him from the beginning.

John 15 brings us deeper into Jesus' discourse with His disciples during the Last Supper. He presents the profound analogy of the vine and the branches to explain the relationship between Him, His followers, and the Father. He also reiterates the commandment to love one another, warns of impending persecution, and promises the coming of the Holy Spirit.

Themes
The Vine and the Branches
Abiding in Christ's Love
The Commandment to Love One Another
Persecution for His Name's Sake
The Witness of the Holy Spirit

Topics
The allegory of the vine and the branches
The importance of abiding in Jesus
The commandment of love
The promise and role of the Holy Spirit
The world's hatred and persecution

People
Jesus Christ
The Disciples
The Father (God)
The Holy Spirit
The World

Locations
The Vineyard (Symbolic)
The Upper Room (Place of the Last Supper)

Next

hope this helps !!!

"The Disciples" include all Christ's disciples in all time because the Christ prays "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me" (John 17:20-21).

So, according to your hermeneutics, civic, you live not as a branch in the Vine. I'm not going to call your interpretation a fallacy on that point.

The Vine says "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5) to all believing Christians in all time.

Now, right back to where we left off previously with the next post God causes me to post to you.

You make false statements about God and man (1 John 4:1). Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! THE LORD IS MY SALVATION!!!

 

[Kermos]

Where do you see any support for your claim they could not judge what is right?

Luke 12:57–59 (UASV) — 57 And why do you not also judge for yourselves what is right? 58 For as you are going with your accuser before the magistrate, make an effort to come to a settlement with him on the way, so that he will not drag you to the judge, and the judge will hand you over to the bailiff, and the bailiff will throw you into prison. 59 I say to you, you will by no means get out of there until you have paid the very last lepton.

This is just basic reading comprehension but even that seems to escape you.

You are correct, it "is just basic reading comprehension but even that seems to escape you", so God has me present the explanation again since you request such.

"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:27), so you cannot know God unless God chooses to enable you to perceive God, and this beautiful knowledge of God comes from being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"No one is good except God alone" (The Word of God, Mark 10:18), so man is evil thus incapable of doing the good of perceiving the awesome righteousness of God unless man's perception results from man being born of God (John 3:3); therefore, God reigns in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)!

"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him" (The Way, Matthew 7:11), so the Christ told His disciples that His disciples are evil, yet the Son chose to reveal the Father to His disciples (John 15:16; Matthew 11:27), so the Holy Spirit imparts into Christ's disciples the ability to ask the Righteous God for good according to God's Will (John 15:19); therefore, man is at the mercy of Almighty God who bestows Grace in every aspect of man being saved from the wrath of God, and man's own initiative cannot choose the Righteous God whom evil man cannot perceive in righteousness!

When you wrote "He does not say they cannot he asks why they do not judge what is right", then you fail to understand basic English because Jesus literally says that people do not have the ability to judge what is right on their own initiative when He asks them why they do not have the ability:

The word of TomL		The Word of God
why do you not even judge what is right? Know this, you can judge what is right on your own initiative (TomL 12:57).

[td] [/td][td]why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right
(Lord Jesus Christ, Luke 12:57).[/td]

so your heart preaches your sovereignty of man eliminating the Sovereignty of God, and so go your adulterations of the Holy Word of God again.

You and your free-willian friends feign the ability to judge in your fleshly free-will to choose God.

You do not see the Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) of post #4,924 and of post #4,961.

Not a single scripture you cite states that man can choose God.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE WAY!!!