An Article on free will

[TibiasDad]

Where do you see allowed?

You can’t give a verb! You can permit a verb, allow it to happen, but you can’t give an action that someone else does.

Not necessarily. Why would it be necessary? It is written to a specific church at a specific time that was suffering persecution.

Then it has no value for us?

Doug

 

[Presby02]

You can’t give a verb! You can permit a verb, allow it to happen, but you can’t give an action that someone else does.



Then it has no value for us?

Doug

So it does not say enable, you will just fill in the blanks for us.

Why not? Is the Bible written to you specifically?

 

[TibiasDad]

Thank you.

Saving faith is inherent in the human condition? Says who?

The ability to trust in anything is inherent to human capacity. To trust a teacher or your parents or your neighbors is the same trust we can give God. It is not a matter of types of trust, but in whom or what you trust.


Doug

 

[Presby02]

The ability to trust in anything is inherent to human capacity. To trust a teacher or your parents or your neighbors is the same trust we can give God. It is not a matter of types of trust, but in whom or what you trust.


Doug

Great Doug. Irrelevant to my question. Who said SAVING faith is inherent in the human condition?

 

[TomL]

Quote me

Do you know what a question mark is?

A question does not require a quote

Explain how God gives faith according to your view

Does he just instill it?

Can you deny it or resist it?

Stop diverting

 

[Presby02]

Do you know what a question mark is?

A question does not require a quote

Explain how God gives faith according to your view

Does he just instill it?

Can you deny it or resist it?

Stop diverting

What do you mean by instill??

 

[TomL]

Nope. Grant means to give. Permission "granted" does not mean permission enabled. lol

In response to Civic

wrong only some are enabled( calvinism) which makes Jesus promise for ALL/ EVERYONE to come a lie.

You stated

Presby02 True. It's God's perogative who He enables and who He does not.

 

[TomL]

Quote me

Again a question does not need a quote

Stop dodging

Do you know what a question mark is?

Explain how God gives faith according to your view

Does he just instill it?

Can you deny it or resist it?

 

[TomL]

What do you mean by instill??

instill

Instill is a verb that means to gradually put a feeling, idea, or principle into someone's mind, influencing the way they think or behave

 

[TomL]

Nope. Grant means to give. Permission "granted" does not mean permission enabled. lol

So in your view God only gives permission, but it is up to man to believe or not?

 

[Presby02]

In response to Civic


You stated

So. Were we talking about "grant" in that thread? LOL

 

[Presby02]

instill

Instill is a verb that means to gradually put a feeling, idea, or principle into someone's mind, influencing the way they think or behave

Was that so hard? lol

The answer is no.

 

[Presby02]

Again a question does not need a quote

Stop dodging

Do you know what a question mark is?

Explain how God gives faith according to your view

Does he just instill it?

Can you deny it or resist it?

It does when a claim is made about something someone said. So genius QUOTE ME

 

[Presby02]

So in your view God only gives permission, but it is up to man to believe or not?

Grant means to give. Take a wild guess genius

 

[TomL]

It does when a claim is made about something someone said. So genius QUOTE ME

Um a question is not a claim

stop diverting

Explain how God gives faith according to your view

Does he just instill it?

Can you deny it or resist it?

Was that so hard? lol

The answer is no.

No what?

Is faith instilled ?

 

[TomL]

Grant means to give. Take a wild guess genius

Um

Nope. Grant means to give. Permission "granted" does not mean permission enabled. lol

In response to Civic

wrong only some are enabled( calvinism) which makes Jesus promise for ALL/ EVERYONE to come a lie.

You stated

Presby02 True. It's God's perogative who He enables and who He does not.

So you have gives , permits and it seems enables

 

[Kermos]

the mirror still has you deceived. you look in it and forget what you see as James tells us in his epistle. a double minded man.

By the lovingkindness of God, I am told I bear the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), and, by the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24), I remember that God converted me to a child of God (John 3:3).

As concerns you using the phrase "double minded man" directed toward me, you presented absolutely no evidence. You bear false witness against me. I recall you very recently posted that the LORD hates "A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers" that is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 6:16-19).

The accurate linguistic use of the phrase double-minded man indicates a person concurrently believing one thing which contradicts another belief of the person as shown at https://biblehub.com/greek/1374.htm - a double-minded person has confused thoughts.

@civic, here is a very simple question for you, but please read beyond the question before answering, too.

Do you think you are a friend of Jesus, civic?

Lord Jesus says "you" with reference to His friends as recorded in John 15:14-19, and Jesus says "you" with reference to the ones exclusively chosen by Jesus as recorded in John 15:14-19.

The blessing by Jesus to the "you" as recorded in John 15:14-19 is to all believers in all time (see also John 15:5):

You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another. If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you
(John 15:14-19, KJV, NASB1995, and YLT)
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All glory to God! All praise to the Bread of Life! God alone does all to save the children of God from the wrath of God, and man, who exercises absolutely nothing to contribute, not even a human choice, is the blessed recipient of God’s mercy and God's grace for man's salvation.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE BREAD OF LIFE!!!

 

[TomL]

By the lovingkindness of God, I am told I bear the image of Christ (Romans 8:29), and, by the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24), I remember that God converted me to a child of God (John 3:3).

As concerns you using the phrase "double minded man" directed toward me, you presented absolutely no evidence. You bear false witness against me. I recall you very recently posted that the LORD hates "A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers" that is an abomination to the LORD (Proverbs 6:16-19).

The accurate linguistic use of the phrase double-minded man indicates a person concurrently believing one thing which contradicts another belief of the person as shown at https://biblehub.com/greek/1374.htm - a double-minded person has confused thoughts.

@civic, here is a very simple question for you, but please read beyond the question before answering, too.

Do you think you are a friend of Jesus, civic?

Lord Jesus says "you" with reference to His friends as recorded in John 15:14-19, and Jesus says "you" with reference to the ones exclusively chosen by Jesus as recorded in John 15:14-19.

The blessing by Jesus to the "you" as recorded in John 15:14-19 is to all believers in all time (see also John 15:5):

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You are My friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. This I command you, that you love one another. If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you​

(John 15:14-19, KJV, NASB1995, and YLT)​

​

All glory to God! All praise to the Bread of Life! God alone does all to save the children of God from the wrath of God, and man, who exercises absolutely nothing to contribute, not even a human choice, is the blessed recipient of God’s mercy and God's grace for man's salvation.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE BREAD OF LIFE!!!

Nothing in there about being unconditionally chosen for salvation

 

[TomL]

So. Were we talking about "grant" in that thread? LOL

You were speaking about coming to Christ

John 6:65 (NIV) — 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”

 

[Presby02]

You were speaking about coming to Christ

John 6:65 (NIV) — 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”