An Article on free will

[synergy]

A accusation from you? LOL Oh the irony. Just following your lead. Watch.

Go's is not a man that He should change His mind.

Malachi 3:6 "For I the Lord do not change"

Am I doing it right? LOL

Your Grammar comprehension is atrocious.

The Lord will reward the good and punish the evil. As such He does not change. But He does change what He gives to us (reward/punishment) based on what we do. Keep in mind that we are responsible for our actions as total depravity is a heresy. Learn from the following link:

https://berean-apologetics.communit...0-does-not-support-calvinism.1991/post-106647

 

[synergy]

Start a new thread.

Why don't you continue on from the thread we originally started this debate? No, you want more threads and more rabbit holes to serve as smoke screens for your paganism.

Run Presby02 Run!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your Grammar comprehension is atrocious.

The Lord will reward the good and punish the evil. As such He does not change. But He does change what He gives to us (reward/punishment) based on what we do. Keep in mind that we are responsible for our actions as total depravity is a heresy. Learn from the following link:

https://berean-apologetics.communit...0-does-not-support-calvinism.1991/post-106647

It would do many people good to really study the Nature of God. The Character of God. By nature. In Character. God never changes. He is consistently the same all the time. He doesn't have one answer for the Calvinist and the another answer for everyone else. He is Honorable and deals with mankind in Sincerity.

This is at odds with so many aspects of the teaching of Calvinism.

God is immutable in Character while "changing his mind" relative to mutable man (changing character).

If people will accept these facts, it would really help their understanding of God.

 

[Kermos]

Talk about failing basic linguistics…

Doug

You expose your unfamiliarity with sentence subject phrases such as the "complete subject", so your lacking linguistics laudably languish.

Removing @synergy's folly indicates your mutual conciliation.

You, yourself, deleted the Word of God from the post, so you have shown how little you value the Word of God. Let’s review:

Absolutely correct. Without the Calvinist Elect/non-Elect Caste System, @Kermos's Calvinism becomes Universalism. ROFLMAO

You consider Christ's blessed deliverance a laughing matter because you vulgarly wrote "ROFLMAO" to your buddy @TibiasDad. No Christian demeans salvation by Christ.

I told you before, and I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below.

You fail with basic linguistics, synergy, and the following bears this fact out.

Did you expend any effort to read what I quoted from RB?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

RB is declaring that "you" (Nicodemus) is not the subject here. That places Nicodemus in a class by himself, apart from "a man". Basic English Grammar. Now if you want to backtrack from RB's statement then you have all the freedom in the world to do so.

Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils
​

in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! YHWH IS MARVELOUS!!!

 

[TibiasDad]

You expose your unfamiliarity with sentence subject phrases such as the "complete subject", so your lacking linguistics laudably languish.

“Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse” is not grammatically correct. Moreover, “your lacking linguistics laudably languish” is also incorrect; it should read “your lacking linguistics languish laudably” or even better, “your linguistics are lacking and languish laudably”.

But stated correctly or incorrectly, it is a false statement. (Though I appreciate your alliteration.)

Doug

 

[Kermos]

Which you have apparently neglected to do… (Sorry, but you opened yourself up for that one.)



You have also failed basic hermeneutics:

That the Israelites were being punished for their sins, and that God chose to give them reprieve is a specific event, and not focused on a global issue is obvious. This, however, does not mean the principle of the lesson taught is not applicable universally.

Since “all have sinned”, death is universal; but “just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.”

But the universal justification is only applicable to “those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness…” Thus, everyone can be justified, but only those who receive what has been given are justified.

Doug

It is written “do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1), so your spirit can be tested according to your prophecy, so let’s move forward with examining your writings that are your prophecy.

Your spirit conveyed that the word "world" as used by Jesus in John 3:16 includes all people everywhere in all time when you wrote "you haven’t indicated that a) God deliberately chose some to be bitten and some not to be bitten" at which time you included the population of bitten and unbitten in "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8).

Your spirit equated "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8) with the "world" as used by Jesus (John 3:16).

But, now, you confusedly prophecy a different thing with "the Israelites were being punished for their sins, and that God chose to give them reprieve is a specific event, and not focused on a global issue is obvious.".

First, your spirit preaches a global perspective for Numbers 21:8-9, but, second, your spirit preaches a local perspective for Numbers 21:8-9; therefore, your spirit is in a state of confusion, and it is written "God is not a God of confusion but of peace" (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Your spirit prophecies confusion about the word "world" as used by Jesus in John 3:14-16 since He brought up Numbers 21:8-9.

Christ's atonement is different than man's sin.

You wrote "Since “all have sinned”, death is universal" which is accurate, and you used the word "universal", here.

You also used the word "universal" in your prophecy of "the universal justification is only applicable to “those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness…” Thus, everyone can be justified, but only those who receive what has been given are justified". Your prophecy has Christ's atonement being "universal" - you call it "available" but that means His atonement covers everyone everywhere in all time, so you preach a failure atonement. Everyone on Earth today was born of the flesh after Christ's atoning work on the cross; therefore, your free-willian philosophical prophecy results in your failure "universal" atonement.

Consider this, according to your Free-willian Philosophy, the following represents fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers:

• if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
• if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
• The conclusion: Christ's atonement delivered to Tom succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement delivered to Nancy failed in saving Nancy of the world.

Your prophecy is false and in a state of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33) because the dead in sin do not cause themselves to be born.

God caused me to proclaim John 3:14-16 and 1 John 2:2 to you in Truth (John 14:6), but your spirit walks in anti-truth about John 3:14-16 and 1 John 2:2.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE BE TO THE ATONER!!!

 

[TomL]

A accusation from you? LOL Oh the irony. Just following your lead. Watch.

Go's is not a man that He should change His mind.

Malachi 3:6 "For I the Lord do not change"

Am I doing it right? LOL

Nope as I addressed both while you ignored

Mindlessly repeating the same thing stripped from its context is nothing but a pretext

And you ignore the reason he will not change his mind

Numbers 23:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them.

Had iniquity been found then

Jeremiah 18:9–10 (KJV 1900) — 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Then God would change his mind, but seeing as it was not he could not change his mind

Stop ignoring context and dozens of verses

and posting out of context references

 

[TomL]

Absolutely correct! Well said. That's too much logic and understanding for @Presby02 to absorb. We have to dumb that information down to Pre-School level for him to understand that.

I will say He is not doing well.

 

[TomL]

It is written “do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1), so your spirit can be tested according to your prophecy, so let’s move forward with examining your writings that are your prophecy.

Your spirit conveyed that the word "world" as used by Jesus in John 3:16 includes all people everywhere in all time when you wrote "you haven’t indicated that a) God deliberately chose some to be bitten and some not to be bitten" at which time you included the population of bitten and unbitten in "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8).

Your spirit equated "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8) with the "world" as used by Jesus (John 3:16).

As did scripture

John 3:14–17 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Moses lifting up of the serpant served to heal all that were bitten, as Christ's being lifted up served toward healing the world

In one case men had to look to the serpent, in the other look to Christ. That is believe on him

 

[civic]

As did scripture

John 3:14–17 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Moses lifting up of the serpant served to heal all that were bitten, as Christ's being lifted up served toward healing the world

In one case men had to look to the serpent, in the other look to Christ. That is believe on him

Yes it’s amazing to see how they equivocate and conflate the passage

 

[TomL]

Yes it’s amazing to see how they equivocate and conflate the passage

There is no other way to hold on to Calvinism

 

[Presby02]

Nope as I addressed both while you ignored

Mindlessly repeating the same thing stripped from its context is nothing but a pretext

And you ignore the reason he will not change his mind

Numbers 23:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them.

Had iniquity been found then

Jeremiah 18:9–10 (KJV 1900) — 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Then God would change his mind, but seeing as it was not he could not change his mind

Stop ignoring context and dozens of verses

and posting out of context references

Out of context references? Such as?

Whatever the reason is we know He is not a man that He will change His mind.

I prefer Malachi 6:3. God's words spoken by Himself.

 

[synergy]

You expose your unfamiliarity with sentence subject phrases such as the "complete subject", so your lacking linguistics laudably languish.
Removing @synergy's folly indicates your mutual conciliation.
You, yourself, deleted the Word of God from the post, so you have shown how little you value the Word of God. Let’s review:
You consider Christ's blessed deliverance a laughing matter because you vulgarly wrote "ROFLMAO" to your buddy @TibiasDad. No Christian demeans salvation by Christ.
I told you before, and I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below.
You fail with basic linguistics, synergy, and the following bears this fact out.
Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.
Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils​

in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).
Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! YHWH IS MARVELOUS!!!

You consider Christ's blessed deliverance a laughing matter because you vulgarly wrote "ROFLMAO" to your buddy @TibiasDad. No Christian demeans salvation by Christ.

I explained what I was laughing at in my statement:

Without the Calvinist Elect/non-Elect Caste System, @Kermos's Calvinism becomes Universalism.

You want your Hindu-like Elect/non-Elect Caste System to cloud and infect what the Bible actually says about our salvation. It ain't going to happen buddy.

I told you before, and I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below.

You fail with basic linguistics, synergy, and the following bears this fact out.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I did.

Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils

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Again, you continue to misrepresent me on which RB's paragraph my comments were actually directed to. It's not beneath you to do that. See this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-98896

In fact, it's not beneath you to keep running away from Bible verses that expose the heresies of calvinism. See this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-105031

Run Kermos Run!

in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! YHWH IS MARVELOUS!!!

Sorry, all the Bible quotes you cited do not support your Hindu-like Elect/non-Elect Caste System.

 

[civic]

I explained what I was laughing at in my statement:

You want your Hindu-like Elect/non-Elect Caste System to cloud and infect what the Bible actually says about our salvation. It ain't going to happen buddy.

Again, you continue to misrepresent me on which RB's paragraph my comments were actually directed to. It's not beneath you to do that. See this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-98896

In fact, it's not beneath you to keep running away from Bible verses that expose the heresies of calvinism. See this link:

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-105031

Run Kermos Run!

Sorry, all the Bible quotes you cited do not support your Hindu-like Elect/non-Elect Caste System.

It’s like Groundhog Day lol

 

[TomL]

Out of context references? Such as?

Whatever the reason is we know He is not a man that He will change His mind.

I prefer Malachi 6:3. God's words spoken by Himself.

Your Num 23:19 reference ignores the context as pointed out

Nope as I addressed both while you ignored

Mindlessly repeating the same thing stripped from its context is nothing but a pretext

And you ignore the reason he will not change his mind

Numbers 23:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them.

Had iniquity been found then

Jeremiah 18:9–10 (KJV 1900) — 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Then God would change his mind, but seeing as it was not he could not change his mind

Stop ignoring context and dozens of verses

and posting out of context references

PS there is no Malachi 6:3

and Mal 3:6 has already been addressed

and it was shown God experiences accidental i.e. cambridge changes

He becomes creator

He becomes savior

etc

 

[TibiasDad]

Your spirit equated "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8) with the "world" as used by Jesus (John 3:16).

I equated “every one who is bitten” with “all have sinned”, meaning everyone who has sinned. Thus, everyone in the entire world who has sinned.

Doug

 

[TomL]

I equated “every one who is bitten” with “all have sinned”, meaning everyone who has sinned. Thus, everyone in the entire world who has sinned.

Doug

Amen. The cure is available to all afflicted

 

[Presby02]

Your Num 23:19 reference ignores the context as pointed out

Nope as I addressed both while you ignored

Mindlessly repeating the same thing stripped from its context is nothing but a pretext

And you ignore the reason he will not change his mind

Numbers 23:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them.

Had iniquity been found then

Jeremiah 18:9–10 (KJV 1900) — 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Then God would change his mind, but seeing as it was not he could not change his mind

Stop ignoring context and dozens of verses

and posting out of context references

PS there is no Malachi 6:3

and Mal 3:6 has already been addressed

and it was shown God experiences accidental i.e. cambridge changes

He becomes creator

He becomes savior
T
etc

So you agree God is not a man that He should change His mind then?

God says in Malachi 3:6 "For I the Lord do not change". It has never been addressed. Deal with it

How about Psalm 102:27
"But you are ALWAYS THE SAME, you will live forever, all that He is today He has always been, and forever will be"

James 1:17 "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights WHO DOES NOT CHANGE LIKE SHIFTING SHADOWS."

 

[Kermos]

Out of context references? Such as?

Whatever the reason is we know He is not a man that He will change His mind.

I prefer Malachi 6:3. God's words spoken by Himself.

To God be the glory!!!

Presby02, I recognize your writing style. God has you laser focused on the Truth "I, YHWH, do not change" (Malachi 3:6).

The Free-Willian Philosophers call the precious Word of God a man-controlled changing lie again and again and again, and they fraudulently fork out fibs such as God relents means God repents in order to make the Word of God a liar like a man in "I, YHWH, do not change" (Malachi 3:6). The KJV OT has repent, yet the NASB OT has relent. God lightened up on (relented) Israel, but the evidence of Nebuchadnezzar proves that God did not repent of Jewish exile punishment.

Their free-willian philosophical changing god results in them being without assurance of salvation.

Hold fast my friend,
Kermos

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!!!

 

[TomL]

So you agree God is not a man that He should change His mind then?

God says in Malachi 3:6 "For I the Lord do not change". It has never been addressed. Deal with it

How about Psalm 102:27
"But you are ALWAYS THE SAME, you will live forever, all that He is today He has always been, and forever will be"

James 1:17 "Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights WHO DOES NOT CHANGE LIKE SHIFTING SHADOWS."

Did you read

Your Num 23:19 reference ignores the context as pointed out

Nope as I addressed both while you ignored

Mindlessly repeating the same thing stripped from its context is nothing but a pretext

And you ignore the reason he will not change his mind

Numbers 23:21 (KJV 1900) — 21 He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, Neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: The LORD his God is with him, And the shout of a king is among them.

Had iniquity been found then

Jeremiah 18:9–10 (KJV 1900) — 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

Then God would change his mind, but seeing as it was not he could not change his mind

Stop ignoring context and dozens of verses

and posting out of context references

PS there is no Malachi 6:3

and Mal 3:6 has already been addressed

and it was shown God experiences accidental i.e. cambridge changes

He becomes creator

He becomes savior

and that applies to Psa 102:27 and James 1:17

Psalm 102:24–28 (NASB 2020) — 24 I say, “My God, do not take me away in the middle of my days, Your years are throughout all generations. 25 “In time of old You founded the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 26 “Even they will perish, but You endure; All of them will wear out like a garment; Like clothing You will change them and they will pass away. 27 “But You are the same, And Your years will not come to an end. 28 “The children of Your servants will continue, And their descendants will be established before You.”

applies to his externality

And

James 1:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers and sisters. 17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow.

deals with his nature and neither deny he can change his mind