An Article on free will

[civic]

Not everyone here who you label a Calvinist is a Calvinist.

Whoever believes tulip by default is a Calvinist.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Whoever believes tulip by default is a Calvinist.

First, Calvin didn't create TULIP. Second, if a person did not get their views from Calvin, then using Calvin as a hostile witness is meaningless.

 

[civic]

First, Calvin didn't create TULIP. Second, if a person did not get their views from Calvin, then using Calvin as a hostile witness is meaningless.

There was no tulip until the reformation it was invented by Calvinists

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

There was no tulip until the reformation it was invented by Calvinists

If a person did not get their views from Calvin or Calvinists, then using Calvin as a hostile witness is meaningless.

 

[civic]

If a person did not get their views from Calvin or Calvinists, then using Calvin as a hostile witness is meaningless.

Do you believe the 5 points of tulip ?

Yes or no

If you do you are a Calvinist

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Do you believe the 5 points of tulip ?

Yes or no

If you do you are a Calvinist

I don't concern myself with the 5 points of tulip. I'm not even going to study them to see if I disagree. I doubt if I believe in all 5, which you would probably know if you were following the limited atonement thread.

 

[TomL]

I don't concern myself with the 5 points of tulip. I'm not even going to study them to see if I disagree. I doubt if I believe in all 5, which you would probably know if you were following the limited atonement thread.

Denying that and affirming the others would make you a four point Calvinist as was Calvin himself and the earliest reformers

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Denying that and affirming the others would make you a four point Calvinist as was Calvin himself and the earliest reformers

Call me a four point Calvinist or a one point Calvinist if you like. It's the same mistake.

 

[TomL]

Not everyone here who you label a Calvinist is a Calvinist.

So who would that be? And what do they deny which would make them a non Calvinist?

 

[TomL]

Not sure it is. The anti-calvinists quote Calvin far more than anyone here who believes in even a single point of Calvinism (and not others).

Name those who do not believe a single point of Calvinism but are labeled Calvinist

 

[civic]

Call me a four point Calvinist or a one point Calvinist if you like. It's the same mistake.

Which ones do you disagree with ?

T – Total Depravity

U – Unconditional Election

L – Limited Atonement

I – Irresistible Grace

P – Perseverance of the Saints

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Which ones do you disagree with ?

T – Total Depravity

U – Unconditional Election

L – Limited Atonement

I – Irresistible Grace

P – Perseverance of the Saints

I don't care about TULIP. I've said that repeatedly.

 

[civic]

I don't care about TULIP. I've said that repeatedly.

Then who do you debate for total inability , irresistible grace, unconditional election and limited atonement ?

 

[civic]

Oxymoron again lol

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Then who do you debate for total inability , irresistible grace, unconditional election and limited atonement ?

I'm here to discuss scripture. TULIP is not scripture. If TULIP is supported or not supported by scripture is irrelevant to me. I'm not here to discuss TULIP.

 

[TomL]

I'm here to discuss scripture. TULIP is not scripture. If TULIP is supported or not supported by scripture is irrelevant to me. I'm not here to discuss TULIP.

Do you believe man is totally depraved unable to believe spiritual truth

Do you believe God unconditionally elects men to salvation

Do you believe God irresistibly causes faith in man?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Do you believe man is totally depraved unable to believe spiritual truth

Do you believe God unconditionally elects men to salvation

Do you believe God irresistibly causes faith in man?

I'm not here to talk about what I believe. You can see what I believe by reading my scripture analyses.

 

[TomL]

I'm not here to talk about what I believe. You can see what I believe by reading my scripture analyses.

You are dodging

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

You are dodging

Call it that if you want. I'm not here to be interrogated.

 

[TomL]

Call it that if you want. I'm not here to be interrogated.

I did and I am sure the readers will wonder why you will not state your position