praise_yeshua
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I read it. I responded to what it said.Did you read the article ? I endorse it
I read it. I responded to what it said.Did you read the article ? I endorse it
They were born of God and received Christ and His wordsAnd they didn’t understand the gospel which completely refutes your doctrine
Okay then you know where I stand, it should be clearI read it. I responded to what it said.
Did you read scripture? It contradicts faith being a work and notes it establishes that it is by graceDid you read the article ? I endorse it, believing is a work
The article says it all, believing is an act man does, whether it be naturally or in the case of the regenerate spiritually.Did you read scripture? It contradicts faith being a work and notes it establishes that it is by grace
An act - yesThe article says it all, believing is an act man does, whether it be naturally or in the case of the regenerate spiritually.
So you know the deal, if you condition your salvation on an act you did, you are advocating the accurse gospel of works.An act - yes
work to earn merit - no
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Not according the scripture quotedSo you know the deal, if you condition your salvation on an act you did, you are advocating the accurse gospel of works.
Okay then you know where I stand, it should be clear
Oh yeah, if you condition salvation on your act of believing, its a work, you advocate works salvation.Not according the scripture quoted
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Acts 16:30–31 (NASB 2020) — 30 and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
The mantras of your theology are not a replacement for scripture
What part of this did you address?Oh yeah, if you condition salvation on your act of believing, its a work, you advocate works salvation.
Oh yeah, if you condition salvation on your act of believing, its a work, you advocate works salvation.
What you mean I showed you that if you condition salvation on what you do, its works, that covers everything.What part of this did you address?
Not according the scripture quoted
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
Acts 16:30–31 (NASB 2020) — 30 and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
The mantras of your theology are not a replacement for scripture
Not from scripture which clearly shows faith is not a rewardable workWhat you mean I showed you that if you condition salvation on what you do, its works, that covers everything.
false dichotomy alert. faith is required by Jesus and the Apostles in their teachings. Man is responsible to believe the gospel. That is 100% man responsibility and a requirement by God to be saved. God does not believe for us, zap us with faith, regenerate one before faith etc.....What you mean I showed you that if you condition salvation on what you do, its works, that covers everything.
Paul does not believe your denial of faith as the instrumental cause of salvationSo you know the deal, if you condition your salvation on an act you did, you are advocating the accurse gospel of works.
Paul contrasts faith which is required to be saved with ones own righteousness by the law. Romans makes that distinction crystal clear so you have created nothing but a false dichotomy with your works/faith idea with salvation. One can only be saved by faith apart from the works of the law- self righteousness. Faith is the opposite of works not the same as works. You have created a fallacy to support your false idea that faith is a work. Its nothing but a myth, an urban legend, folklore etc..... Paul informs us that faith is " credited as righteousness " since it is through faith in God rather than our own righteousness that we are be justified (Romans 4:5). Faith is not a demonstration of one’s self righteousness ( works ), but a surrendering of it.What you mean I showed you that if you condition salvation on what you do, its works, that covers everything.
I dont need to do a lot of explaining, I know that to condition your salvation on something you do, its works. Nothing you have provided states that Salvation, Justification is conditioned on ones act of believing. Im goodNot from scripture which clearly shows faith is not a rewardable work
Romans 4:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about; but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,
let me know when you are ready to address the verse
but you cannot prove faith is a work, its the exact opposite. So much for faith being a work in salvation.I dont need to do a lot of explaining, I know that to condition your salvation on something you do, its works. Nothing you have provided states that Salvation, Justification is conditioned on ones act of believing. Im good
I shown that Faith /believing is an act done by man, so if you condition salvation on that, its works.but you cannot prove faith is a work, its the exact opposite. So much for faith being a work in salvation.
end of discussion, fallacy exposed.
hope this helps !!!