All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

oops. I am not sure how I got that chapter and verse.
The one that Rom 10:13 quotes is Joe 2:32.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.

So LORD in Rom 10:13 is Yahweh. THere just is not a Greek word to distinguish Yahweh here.

The verse in Joel is referring to who will call upon the name of the Christ. The verse says nothing about that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

 

[Capbook]

The verse in Joel is referring to who will call upon the name of the Christ. The verse says nothing about that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

Joel is referring to who will call upon the name of the Father not of Jesus.
If you need a verse that declare Jesus as God, read Roman 9:5;

Rom 9:5 The Messiah is descended from their ancestors according to his human nature. The Messiah is God over everything, forever blessed. Amen.

Joe 2:32 “And it shall be that everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be delivered.b For on Mount Tsiyon and in Yerushalayim there shall be an escapec as יהוה has said, and among the survivors whom יהוה calls. Footnotes: b Act_2:21, Rom_10:13. c Isa_4:2-3, Oba_1:17, Rev_14:1.

Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the Name of יהוה shall be saved.”

 

[civic]

Joel 2:32 is 100% speaking of the Son as Paul declares He is the One Lord ( YHWH) one must confess to be saved. Roman’s 10:9-13.

To Confess

NT:3670 ‎o(mologe/w ‎homologeo (hom-ol-og-eh'-o);


Strong's Concordance


homologeó: to speak the same, to agree


Original Word: ὁμολογέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: homologeó
Phonetic Spelling: (hom-ol-og-eh'-o)
Definition: to speak the same, to agree
Usage: (a) I promise, agree, (b) I confess, (c) I publicly declare, (d) a Hebraism, I praise, celebrate.


3670 homologéō (from 3674 /homoú, "together" and 3004 /légō, "speak to a conclusion") – properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse)

Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T


Rom 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

hope this helps!!!

 

[amazing grace]

I suppose I could see how you get confused. You do not realize that God exists in a triune sense so you cannot understand where the Son of God is still Yahweh along with his Father.

Nope, I'm not confused - my mind is crystal clear! God does not exist in a Triune sense.
Do you not hear how illogical that sounds? ---- 'the Son of God is still Yahweh along with his Father' ---- You have the Son as Almighty God along with the Son's Father who is also God ---- I am confused????

So it is not the people calling on just a man.

People aren't just calling on some regular man either . . . . they are calling on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ - our risen Lord and Savior.

It is people calling on Yahweh who has been in their midst through incarnation that we know is Jesus. The related problem is you cannot recognize that God fulfills prophecy in surprising fashions that still uphold his faithfulness. Stop reducing God down to pure anthropomorphic conception.

Yes, people in the OT were calling on the name of the LORD, Yahweh, for salvation and now we call upon Jesus Christ for salvation ---- no one comes to the Father but through him.

God did fulfill prophecy ---- the 'seed' of the woman (Gen. 3:15); the Prophet like Moses in whom God would put his word and have him speak all that He commanded him (Deut. 18) ; the offspring of David whom God would raise up from David's body and God would be a Father to him and he would be a son and God would establish his kingdom forever, (2 Sam. 7),etc. . . . He fulfilled prophecy as He said He would.

It is not Unitarians who reduce God down to pure anthropomorphic conception. . . .It is the Trinitarian who reduces God to a human being. God is not a man . . . Jesus is a man. God is the God and Father or our Lord Jesus Christ ---- Jesus is the Son of God, our brother.

 

[amazing grace]

Ezekiel 1 describes the cherubims
Isaiah 6:2-3 describes the seraphims

Adam, 'nor Eve were created this way.

Humans can die a physical death, the invisible sons of God cannot.

I didn't say the angels had any hand in the actual creating/creation. But as Job records they were there ---- they were who God spoke to ---- 'Let us make' but it was God who created man in his own image --- God ALONE did the creating.

Jesus Christ can redeem sinful humanity, no where does it say that Jesus will redeem angels.
Therefore, two things that are different cannot be the same.

Angels are described as God's messengers, protectors, & powerful beings.
Man wasn't created as such. If so, where are our powers?

Again, like the Jews in the book of John there is that theme of misunderstanding . . . I did not say anything about Jesus redeeming angels.
Oh ---- 'two things that are different cannot be the same' then why do you have God as Spirit and God as a man; why do you have a Father and a Son the same being?

If Jesus wasn't God, then He certainly wouldn't qualify to die for the sins of humanity.

Oh really? That is a total lie . . . Read Romans 5 --- a man brought about the judgment of sin and death through his act of disobedience; a man brought about righteousness and justification through his act of obedience. If God believed that His Son qualified to die for the sins of humanity - then His Son is good enough for me! For God so loved the world that he GAVE his only begotten Son that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.